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Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

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SI said:
I don’t think you get it.

They needed to dump the contract - for the cap, for the team to move forward, and for Josh.
In order to do so, they had to give up an asset. The price was a 2nd rounder - we’ve been discussing it for weeks.
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So we've been "discussing it for weeks" - Who cares about that? The fact that Lou put the team in this position where he needed to give up a good asset just to *hopefully* keep a #7 seed roster the same is not good GMing no matter what spin you want to put on it.


SI said:
Ultimately, the disconnect comes down to that not all subscribe to your way of thinking, your point of view, or your opinions. I certainly don’t subscribe to your opinion about the roster - I see strong C depth, strong RH side D, strong identity and culture, strong defensive D men, an elite goalie, strong PK, but weak PP, weak prospect pool, and an aging roster. I am not ready to see this current group of players to be folded for a rebuild.
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Yes we disagree, but I'm not sure what your ultimate opinion/goal is. Do you just enjoy Islanders hockey no matter how well they do? Are you just ok with them making the playoffs? Do you want them to win the Cup?

For me it's Cup (contention) or bust. To be clear if they don't win a Cup I'll be disappointed, but I just want them to be in the mix.

in 2019-2021 we had a hall of fame coach making up for the several holes on the roster and that coupled with what I believe was a "honeymoon" style boost of leaving the wang years propelled this team to 3 unbelievable playoff runs.

However that coach is gone and this team is older. Even with your "strong C depth, strong RH side D, strong identity and culture, strong defensive D men, an elite goalie," this team was only able to be a 7th seed in a division/conference that continues to get better around them.

And now Lou had to move a future pick to get rid of Bailey so he can just hopefully bring the same team back. This team needs to get better - Not run it back, and there's almost no way to improve them this offseason.



SI said:
In addition, You want LOU out, so whatever he does or does not do leads you to Lou bash.
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I didn't arrive at this thought out of nowhere. When Lou took over for snow I was thrilled (not as thrilled as I was getting Trotz as coach, but still).

The problem is Lou only has one gear and that's go for it at all times. Sometimes that possible, but with this roster, cap situation, franchise assets, etc it is not - And I think any fan is in denial or fooling themselves if they think otherwise. To me pretty much each move Lou makes is not getting this team any closer to a Cup and just pushing out the length of an unavoidable retool/rebuild further into the future.

Again I don't know what your goals are with Islanders hockey. I could see if you just want to make the playoffs then I guess Lou is doing a good job. Let's bookmark this and check back in 3 years to see if Lou was able to get this team anywhere near the semi-finals again (much less an actual Cup).

However if you want to win it all, like I do, I don't know how you can think this team can be fixed into a Cup contender, and I'm not sure how many more years of treading water around the middle of the league with no real hope to improve the team you are prepared to tolerate.
 
JPIsles18 said:
Define cheap. I don't think Schenn will be cheaper than Mayfield. Maybe in years, but I don't believe he'll be much cheaper in terms of cap hit. I believe the Isles need to actually go cheap in that slot or swing for a true top 4 dman. You can't be the team that perpetually overpays depth players.


I don't believe DeBrincat is the type of player the Isles need right now. There are legitimate concerns about a guy like him in a playoff type environment. He's a catch and shoot type of guy mostly. He's extremely small and his game may not translate to the playoffs. He's an excellent piece at or under 5 (ELC and bridge). I wouldn't want to give a guy like him a massive contract. The skill would be nice. But we need to be very selective about expensive players.
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I have been one of many who have been calling for more talent here for a great many years. However along with that I also want size and speed as well as snarl I have said this consistently. I understand its not always available in one player. So I agree with you if I'm parting with a huge chunk of change and assets I'm looking for a durable (BIG BODY) that cant take the punishment of an extended playoff run. I'll probably get torched for this, look DeBrincat is a fine player just not what I'd prefer that's all. And when last I checked Lou wasn't asking for my opinion.
 
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danteipp said:
It doesn't matter what our view is of our assets, just what at least one rival GM thinks. I mean Newhook was awful last season, far worse than Wahly, yet the Montreal GM traded a first, a second and a low-tier prospect for him. Not sure many would have done that trade, but one GM did. And Newhook is also a RFA who is going to start costing real money too.
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Wahly is coming off a season ending injury his value currently is minimal .
 
NC 1972 said:
So wasn't he rumored to be bad news in the room?
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Remember the old saying? Believe half of what you read and none of what you hear . . . and wait until the 'truth' is done looking back . . . just like the history books!
 
Osakahaus said:
Wahlstrom and Dobson

And we get Pinto in return also
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Pinto is out of the question; Ottawa doesn't have a need for Dobson as their top-4 is set

Throttle said:
I don’t know, maybe the other 31 teams in the league aren’t jumping at him either is a bit of a sign?

The great Steve Yzerman GM on a 100 year rebuild in DET has all the cap space, need, hometown benies, and freebie assets to acquire and he passed.

Debrincat was traded to a has been franchise. So, isles are back to picking up and overpaying - the same thing fans are continuously complaining about.
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Ottawa shouldn't and most likely didn't want to trade within the division; unless Detroit overpaid - which we both know SteveY is not going to do.
 
Adele Dazeem said:
What package would you be comfortable with.
Obviously Pageau would be included; he'll most likely want to come back, but what's the other pieces?
I'd much rather move Debrincat to the island than to Detroit.
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I would not include Pageau. Palmieri yes.
 
Throttle said:
Except Eberle is on a shorter term deal at $5.5M that isles fans had an issue with. Debrincat is most likely gonna be 6-8 years for $8M.

Most teams right now would take Eberle due to the flexibility. You are 100% stuck with Debrincat if you sign him or you can Duchene him in 3/4 years…

The big issue with Eberle was he became ineffective as the Isles went deeper in playoffs.
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Ya I dont agree with that assessment at all.

Yes, I had/have an issue with 5.5 million on a player who managed 23-28-51 (per82) during his 4 years with us and didn't even average 4 PPG a season during his age 27-30 seasons.

I- without any doubt whatsoever- would rather pay 6 to 8 years at 8 million on someone over that same amount of years who has averaged 34-37-71 with 11 power play goals and will be entering just his age 26 season.

Again, not comparable at all...
 
I don't see Mayfield getting a huge number on the open market like a lot of people seem to be assuming. Some lesser team might be okay with him on the 2nd pair and have cap space to pay him $4M+, but contending teams will consider him a good 3rd pair guy and not have space to pay much more than the Isles. Exceptions might be BUF and CAR off the top of my head. So, would he take a team friendly deal that might cost him $250-500k a year (maybe in exchange for some term) in order to stay?

The other question is whether we'd be better off letting him go. I'd prefer a PMD on the 3rd pair who can help on the PP on the one hand. On the other hand, if they're going with Aho and/or Bolduc as the LHD, then Mayfield is a good partner for them.
 
SayItAintSoJohnny said:
Ya I dont agree with that assessment at all.

Yes, I had/have an issue with 5.5 million on a player who managed 23-28-51 (per82) during his 4 years with us and didn't even average 4 PPG a season during his age 27-30 seasons.

I- without any doubt whatsoever- would rather pay 6 to 8 years at 8 million on someone over that same amount of years who has averaged 34-37-71 with 11 power play goals and will be entering just his age 26 season.

Again, not comparable at all...
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Staring at stats all day, you would think Duclair is a good player too…until you watch the games and want to get to the next level. He is terrible defensively in the playoffs (overall too) and Maurice wants no part of it when trying to win. It was ‘ok’ when they stunk and no one wanted to play there.
 
doublechili said:
I don't see Mayfield getting a huge number on the open market like a lot of people seem to be assuming. Some lesser team might be okay with him on the 2nd pair and have cap space to pay him $4M+, but contending teams will consider him a good 3rd pair guy and not have space to pay much more than the Isles. Exceptions might be BUF and CAR off the top of my head. So, would he take a team friendly deal that might cost him $250-500k a year (maybe in exchange for some term) in order to stay?

The other question is whether we'd be better off letting him go. I'd prefer a PMD on the 3rd pair who can help on the PP on the one hand. On the other hand, if they're going with Aho and/or Bolduc as the LHD, then Mayfield is a good partner for them.
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Mayfield in all critical situations under Trotz and Lambert. Pulock’s crappy accuracy is a-ok and how it impacts the PP and offense generally, but Mayfield’s clearing gaffes are the ire of Islanders country.

Mayfield at $4M is fine. If he wants more $, he can go to BUF and be the only player on the team that plays defense - that’s gonna get old real quick…
 
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