Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Skip To My Lou]

You do not want Pacioretty if you expect to go far in playoffs. People who complain about Eberle have not watch Pacioretty in playoffs

He's been fairly productive with Vegas in the playoffs.

 

[danteipp]

Perron, outside of his comfort zone in St. Louis, worries me. I wouldn't want to give him more than two years. I am hoping the Isles can do better, but I guess we will see.

 

[saintunspecified]

He's been fairly productive with Vegas in the playoffs.

In the last 3 years his team has lost in the conference finals twice, and missed the playoffs once. What does that remind me of?

 

[doublechili]

I'll be very surprised if Perron doesn't end up back in StL.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I realize it's super controversial to trade a 34 year old with injury history + 1 year on their contract for a 33 year old with injury history + 1 year left on their contract. Super duper.

I do understand a move like that not being a top choice, but I think it's pretty obviously a better choice than signing David Perron for multiple years, when everyone finds out early in year 1 he should have stayed where he was happy and productive.



Kadri's done terrible things in the past (I disagree about the Binnington collision), but that's absolutely no excuse to try and blow up a player who is celebrating a goal. WTF kind of Islanders fan thinks that's okay?

Its not the age/injury/one year remaining swap that is the problem and you know it. Whether you want to admit it or not (and all you have to do is look at the goalie signings/trades over the last week), Varlamov has much more value currently than simply making a trade for a winger who has only 1 year left on his deal....AND IS GETTING PAID 2 MILLION MORE.

I would rather have Perron at 3/15 than have to trade Varlamov for one year of Pacioretty at 7 million, just on the injury history and cap ramifications alone....

We'd lose out best trading chip AND have to add 2 million in salary for a guy who only played 39 games last season, and more importantly is signed for only a single year. Not to mention we would need to fork over another 2-3 million to get a backup goalie...

We need to stop just looking at the player we would prefer and start looking at the contracts, cap situation, etc when evaluating these moves.

Sorry, but what you propose is not more beneficial for the team at all no matter how much more you like Max over David....

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I'll be very surprised if Perron doesn't end up back in StL.

I was hoping as much.

Then a certain 30-year old Russian who has averaged 38 goals in his 6 full seasons might have become available...

 

[saintunspecified]

Its not the age/injury/one year remaining swap that is the problem and you know it. Whether you want to admit it or not (and all you have to do is look at the goalie signings/trades over the last week), Varlamov has much more value currently than simply making a trade for a winger who has only 1 year left on his deal....AND IS GETTING PAID 2 MILLION MORE.

I'm thoroughly convinced about your personal degree of certainty. I might mention Varlamov's MNTC, and that it seems likely to me that VGK is one of the few places he may be wanted + consent to go, but I'm certain that you're certain that you've considered absolutely everything.

 

[Top Corner]

He's been fairly productive with Vegas in the playoffs.

Not earth shattering stats but He certainly was a little better because Vegas had more offensively gifted group, in Montreal he was the go to guy and didn’t do well. For the Isles he would fall into the same category

 

[saintunspecified]

Not earth shattering stats but He certainly was a little better because Vegas had more offensively gifted group, in Montreal he was the go to guy and didn’t do well. For the Isles he would fall into the same category

It's true that he didn't consistently score with star centers Plekanec and Desharnais. He's *not* a superstar. He never was a superstar. None of the people we're talking about are superstars.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I'm thoroughly convinced about your personal degree of certainty. I might mention Varlamov's MNTC, and that it seems likely to me that VGK is one of the few places he may be wanted + consent to go, but I'm certain that you're certain that you've considered absolutely everything.

No, I am certain I didn't consider whether Vegas was or was not on Varlamov's 16-team list; because I certainly don't see the relevance of it. It does not make the proposal any less dreadful.

Put it this way: Based on the insane market for goalies right now, Varlamov (even at age 34 and with just a single year on his deal) is worth MINIMUM a 2nd round and 3rd round pick, perhaps more....and that could easily rise in value come the mid-season deadline.

Now do you think anyone is trading a 2nd and 3rd round pick to help Vegas' cap (and goaltending) situation by taking on a 33/34 year old winger with $7 million left on his FINAL YEAR contract, who played in only 39 games last season AND has missed some 90 games the last 4 years??

Answer: No

That is essentially what you are wanting us to do and spend another 2-3 million on a backup goalie, for a net -4/5 million in cap space...

Perhaps now you too have more certainty...

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I was hoping as much.

Then a certain 30-year old Russian who has averaged 38 goals in his 6 full seasons might have become available...

 

[Drive 4 Five]

To me, the only true difference makers left out there are Gaudreau and Tarasenko (if he's even available). If they don't get one of those guys, I don't think bringing in another old veteran up front is the right move (Perron, Pacioretty, etc..) - those types of guys can be had at the deadline if necessary. My guess is we go for Johnny Hockey and miss out, Tarasenko remains a Blue, we retain all of our RFAs and we make a minor move for veteran depth on the defensive end.

 

[Mike C]

To me, the only true difference makers left out there are Gaudreau and Tarasenko (if he's even available). If they don't get one of those guys, I don't think bringing in another old veteran up front is the right move (Perron, Pacioretty, etc..) - those types of guys can be had at the deadline if necessary. My guess is we go for Johnny Hockey and miss out, Tarasenko remains a Blue, we retain all of our RFAs and we make a minor move for veteran depth on the defensive end.

I think after missing out on Johnny, I would not be shocked if Kadri is pursued. Whether he, or any free agent wants to come here is another question

 

[CupHolders]

To me, the only true difference makers left out there are Gaudreau and Tarasenko (if he's even available). If they don't get one of those guys, I don't think bringing in another old veteran up front is the right move (Perron, Pacioretty, etc..) - those types of guys can be had at the deadline if necessary. My guess is we go for Johnny Hockey and miss out, Tarasenko remains a Blue, we retain all of our RFAs and we make a minor move for veteran depth on the defensive end.

I’m guessing Patrick Kane will be available too. He is actually the cheapest cap option.

Because Chicago can absorb half his 10.5m cap hit by only holding ~3.5m of his salary. That puts him at 5.25m for one year. Additionally, they can take back a cap hit… Bailey’s 5m, please.

So the Islanders could get Kane (if he’s willing to come) and clear Bailey for this year and next… while only adding .250k to their cap this year.

Question is if he is willing to come, and how many assets are the Islanders willing to pay?

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I’m guessing Patrick Kane will be available too. He is actually the cheapest cap option.

Because Chicago can absorb half his 10.5m cap hit by only holding ~3.5m of his salary. That puts him at 5.25m for one year. Additionally, they can take back a cap hit… Bailey’s 5m, please.

So the Islanders could get Kane (if he’s willing to come) and clear Bailey for this year and next… while only adding .250k to their cap this year.

Question is if he is willing to come, and how many assets are the Islanders willing to pay?

and he would have to extend if those assets are noteworthy....

NHLTR just released top 50 free agents and have Kadri getting 6 years and $48 million.....

Um, not just no; but hell no....

They have us netting Nino for 4/16.8 million as the only Top50 get...

Barf City, USA

 

[islesny88]

I’m guessing Patrick Kane will be available too. He is actually the cheapest cap option.

Because Chicago can absorb half his 10.5m cap hit by only holding ~3.5m of his salary. That puts him at 5.25m for one year. Additionally, they can take back a cap hit… Bailey’s 5m, please.

So the Islanders could get Kane (if he’s willing to come) and clear Bailey for this year and next… while only adding .250k to their cap this year.

Question is if he is willing to come, and how many assets are the Islanders willing to pay?

For that? It has to start with the 23 1st and adding more from there.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I know it's not Earth shattering, but this offseason has given us a ton of surprises:

 

[Wanderson]

I know it's not Earth shattering, but this offseason has given us a ton of surprises:

I know it’s all about business, but this is disgusting.

 

[Throttle]

I know it’s all about business, but this is disgusting.

He's free to gain employment with any other team.

 

[leeroggy]

and he would have to extend if those assets are noteworthy....

NHLTR just released top 50 free agents and have Kadri getting 6 years and $48 million.....

Um, not just no; but hell no....

They have us netting Nino for 4/16.8 million as the only Top50 get...

Barf City, USA

Nino at $4,200,000 is good value - 24 goals in 71 games and 4 in the playoffs. I certainly think he fits our need better than Bailey.

Last year I talked about how if you can't get the top winger, you can upgrade the 3rd line and make up the difference there. We scored 229 goals in 82 games last year (2.79 per game) and 152 in 56 games the previous year (2.71 per game), with 54 in 19 playoff games (2.84).

If we don't land the big fish, we still can get there with some internal improvement from the kids and one more mid-6 winger putting up 25 goals.

Still would love Gaudreau or Tarasenko but there are other paths too.

Lee & Nelson - 30
Barzal - 25
Palmieri - 25
Nino - 25
Beau - 20
Wally - 20
Pageau - 15
Dobson - 15
Parise - 15
4th line - 25 if Martin/Johnston are not playing
Defensemen not named Dobson - 25 goals
etc

It's hard, but doable. That's 270 goals in 82 games and we win a lot of games

 

[IslandersFan17]

He's free to gain employment with any other team.

No it is not in the slightest. Any other team is free to bring him in.

 

[BrockLobster]

5 PM today is when the first buyout window closes. Palmieri on his way out? Would cost 1.667M against the cap for 6 years. NYI is currently paying Johnston and Panik a combined 1.35M, if they shed those contracts it would essentially be a wash.

Why are we releasing kyle palmieri with 3 years left? He was actually good the 2nd half.

 

[Lame Lambert]

Lou has his guy!

 

[seafoam]

Lou has his guy!

I actually would have traded Panik for Del Zotto.

 

[beach]

Perron, outside of his comfort zone in St. Louis, worries me. I wouldn't want to give him more than two years. I am hoping the Isles can do better, but I guess we will see.

Lou always gives too many years. If we get him, it'll unfortunately be three or four.

We are now entering the perennial "the Isles are in the mix to get so and so" part of the program by all of the NHL pundits, just to find out that we signed a 35 year old to a 4 year contract.