Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[MJF]

Don’t know if he’s refusing to sign but this is a guy you definitely explore acquiring

Alex Jeffries for Logan Cooley. Make it so, Lou.

Ducks fan in peace. Any updates on Mayfield, what he's asking for, does it look like he is resigned?

Silencio on this end.

 

[beach]

I may have seen some of his bad moments, but from my viewings of Liljegren in the playoffs I'd say "no" to that specific deal. He's okay, but he's not an offensive stud, he's not a defensive stud, and he's not big or physical. If the Isles were to trade both Barzal and Pulock, I'd want a better net result than to improve the O while (significantly) weakening the D.

I haven't seen him that often but he's +39 over the past two seasons. Drafted 17th overall, 6'0" so not a Smurf. I think Marner > Barzy, Pulock > Liljegren. Overall I think it would be a good deal for us. As someone else mentioned though, Marner does seem to be a bit of a dick. But maybe that's what playing on TOR does to you.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Alright, alright, alright...

Our 2nd rounder and Bailey for Cooley.

I guess I could live with that...

 

[SI]

You’re joking about disappearing, right? Marner’s playoffs haven’t been any better than Matthews’ or Nylander’s

I’ll take Nylander’s last 3 years over Marner’s.

I think you’re having an analytics wet dream about Mitch Marner.

Yes they have.
Led the team in points and was +7 with 14 points in 11 games. He has back to back 90+ point seasons and plays 20+minutes a game. Averaged 24 minutes a game in the playoffs - the highest amongst all F’s. You don’t score that many points by being streaky.

Nylander was a -7 and his line against Florida got killed

 

[NC 1972]

That's not a good deal for the Islanders...

Marner is a great player and someone who would be an excellent addition to the top 3, but not at the expense of Barzal and Pulock. Liljegren sucks.

I'd consider Marner for Bailey and Dobson. Isles would have to add a QB for the PP... possibly Ghost or Severson? The Cap would need to go up this season for the Isles to consider a Marner trade


WTF!

Are you on crack?

MARNER>>>>> NYLANDER.
Marner plays in all situations and is not only the stronger player but the more productive one. And The Isles would have Marner for 2 more seasons versus an impending UFA.

Can't seem to let this one go - and this is a playoff game

First time seeing this not good for the resume. I think his skating is amazing though.

 

[NC 1972]

IDK, I'd be very wary of dealing Dobson. Way too many teams have been burned getting impatient and trading young D while they're going through growing pains. It's up to the brass that sees him in more depth to analyze things, but from my perspective I see a 6'4" kid with great skating and with great skills. Also:

Dobson is 23, is locked up at $4M for the next 2 years, and then is an RFA;
Marner is 26, is locked up at $11M for the next 2 years, and then is a UFA.

And Ghost is looking better with CAR than I thought he was, but I also think that while he's fine on the PP, I'm not sure that he's a difference maker.

Agreer with Dobson he will be a valued member of this team moving forward patients need on defenseman even those highly touted ones.

 

[seafoam]

You think Pelech looked intimidated, but not hobbled? Really? Come on.

Dobson did lose his poise, which made him no different than the rest of NYI's PP unit. He's struggled all year long on and off.

Obviously it does little good to trade Pulock without being able to replace him. But Pulock is far more replaceable than Pelech.

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Alright, alright, alright...

Our 2nd rounder and Bailey for Cooley.

I guess I could live with that...

It's all part of his "journey".

Sounds like a great fit with the Islanders.

 

[SI90]

Seeing a lot of people speculate Dubas to the isles. Didn’t realize that he supposedly has a great relationship with Lou and Lou has a fondness for him. I don’t know how to feel about this

 

[12Dog]

If you're looking at a simple 'Pulock for scoring winger' deal, I'd look to WPG first: Pulock for Ehlers. But I don't think it's a game changer for NYI, unless they are also able to shed Bailey's contract, and sign a t

Even 3-4 million won't do much for the Islanders UNLESS they get rid of Bailey, Palmieri and Pageau. Then they can start afresh.

Heck, they may even be forced into a Bjorkstrand type trade just to get JGP off the books.

The Ottawa guy who proposed a JGP + for Debrincat, to me is really intriguing

Gotta figure Debrincat is going to cost less to acquire and less to extend

 

[MarsTBOW]

Seeing a lot of people speculate Dubas to the isles. Didn’t realize that he supposedly has a great relationship with Lou and Lou has a fondness for him. I don’t know how to feel about this

Maybe an assistant?

 

[SI]

IDK, I'd be very wary of dealing Dobson. Way too many teams have been burned getting impatient and trading young D while they're going through growing pains. It's up to the brass that sees him in more depth to analyze things, but from my perspective I see a 6'4" kid with great skating and with great skills. Also:

Dobson is 23, is locked up at $4M for the next 2 years, and then is an RFA;
Marner is 26, is locked up at $11M for the next 2 years, and then is a UFA.

And Ghost is looking better with CAR than I thought he was, but I also think that while he's fine on the PP, I'm not sure that he's a difference maker.

I agree - it would be a huge risk to trade Dobson. IMO, it’s what it would take to pry Marner out of Toronto.

In the end, it’s properly not going to happen.

I’d like to see Dobson get physically stronger over the off-season.

Seeing a lot of people speculate Dubas to the isles. Didn’t realize that he supposedly has a great relationship with Lou and Lou has a fondness for him. I don’t know how to feel about this

Did you watch Shanahan’s press conference- wow! Such a detailed description of the how it happened.

It looks as if Dubas tried to squeeze a couple extra bucks and pushed it too far.

 

[SI90]

I agree - it would be a huge risk to trade Dobson. IMO, it’s what it would take to pry Marner out of Toronto.

In the end, it’s properly not going to happen.

I’d like to see Dobson get physically stronger over the off-season.


Did you watch Shanahan’s press conference- wow! Such a detailed description of the how it happened.

It looks as if Dubas tried to squeeze a couple extra bucks and pushed it too far.

I didn’t see that. Wow

 

[Glorydays22]

We don't match up with Toronto...for any team who has good young talent. We cannot trade the few young talent we have in Brazal and Dobson - Even though I was very disappointed in Dobson's play for the second have of the season. We are in a holding pattern for now.

Our goal should be is to weed out the older guys...We may just need to bit the bullet and wait another 2 years for some of these bad contracts come off the books. That's why I worry Lou will sign someone to another freaking bad contract!

Martin, Clutterbuck, Parms, Lee and obviously Bailey need to be moved somehow. - I know Parms was our best offensive player in the playoffs, but he's always hurt or has this HUGE slump for most of the season...then starts scoring at the tail end. That does not work....

 

[SI]

The Ottawa guy who proposed a JGP + for Debrincat, to me is really intriguing

Gotta figure Debrincat is going to cost less to acquire and less to extend

What was the proposed deal?

I assume DeBrincat will go for a high pick 2023 pick and prospect. he would be an excellent pick up for the Isles just don’t have the pieces.

I didn’t see that. Wow

 

[The Wahligator]

Leafs are primed to lose a major shakeup trade right now. I’d kill for Nylander.

 

[doublechili]

Seeing a lot of people speculate Dubas to the isles. Didn’t realize that he supposedly has a great relationship with Lou and Lou has a fondness for him. I don’t know how to feel about this

All joking aside, Dubas seemed like he was getting it as his time in TOR progressed. I thought he made some good moves this year. Definitely delegate contract negotiations though! But yeah, open mind moving forward. The thing is, who are the alternatives after Lou? Leaving Chris aside, it's either a retread (people are talking about Treliving to TOR, and PIT is interviewing Chayka) or an unproven guy (like Tulsky). Dubas at least maybe learned some lessons on Toronto's dime.

 

[crashthenet]

Don’t know if he’s refusing to sign but this is a guy you definitely explore acquiring

Probably wants play in front of more fans.

 

[SI90]

Probably wants play in front of more fans.

Or figured what’s one college rink to another? Lol might as well stay in school

 

[BelovedIsles]

For umpteenth time, how do you fit someone like him under the cap?? It's not about who this team could use or want, it's about who they can afford. The Islanders have five roster spots to fill and $6 million to do it.

There will definitely have to be some restructuring, of course.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

I assume DeBrincat will go for a high pick 2023 pick and prospect.

Why?

 

[IslesNorway]

Although I don't think the Islanders have what it takes to get a major piece of Toronto unless they are willing to part with the likes of Dobson or Pulock, it is a little intriguing thinking along those lines, simply because it could help the Islanders out of some of their long term deals. It's not a Lou thing to do, but it depends on how you see this team not one or two, but four or five years from now.

Toronto are in a great spot to retool and cash in on their stars before they get too old and even more expensive. Two years of Marner or one year of Nylander to get out from Pulock's contract? Pulock and Pageau+for Marner? Pulock for Nylander and Liljegren/picks/prospects? Probably not too realistic but I'll go for it.

The Islanders have four players signed forever and probably two more once Dobson and Sorokin get extensions. That is too much and cripples the GM. If they can get out of one of those contracts and get a good, young player on a shorter term in return it would be good in the long run.

 

[Seph]

Marner is the best player in that deal, and I'd take the risk having him with 2 years left.

Precisely the sort of player that I think would do better away from all the pressure of his home town.

Leafs only make that deal if Marner is really unhappy. He's better than Barzal in every situation, and he - unlike Barzal - is already a winger, as opposed to Barzal learning the wing. Otoh, if Barzal were in Toronto, one imagines Barzal would become the 2nd line C with JT on his wing.

Two years left isn't a problem for me either. The only part that really gives me pause is how well Pulock played against Carolina, he was a beast and I'd hate to lose that. But Marner is an elite winger and I think would slot better next to Horvat than Barzal. He's also a beast on the PP, the difference between him and Barzal here is huge -- Marner could really help turn that around.

And if we are being frank, two years is about when we would have to blow up the core anyway if we haven't won anything, so Marner's contract length could be viewed a bit as a positive, especially with two notably longer contracts going the other way. And if we do win anything before then, then of course it was a good deal, and Marner would likely consider resigning.

 

[PK Cronin]

Lou did it too. He had to trade Toews and retire Boychuck because of it. Smart business indeed.

Are you expecting another pandemic/flat cap situation coming up?

Seeing a lot of people speculate Dubas to the isles. Didn’t realize that he supposedly has a great relationship with Lou and Lou has a fondness for him. I don’t know how to feel about this

I don't want him at all.

1) It took him years to realize the fancy stats aren't going to win by themselves.
2) He signed Tavares for huge money when it didn't fill a need at all, causing them to lose a much more affordable Kadri.
3) Has a very bad track record with negotiations. All of his star players received top dollar and the best terms available.
4) Tried to pull one over on Shanahan, overvaluing his position, and was subsequently kicked to the curb.

What does anyone like about him other than his love for fancy stats and the "new" style of play? Other GMs do the same thing and are way more successful.

 

[JKP]

Are you expecting another pandemic/flat cap situation coming up?



I don't want him at all.

1) It took him years to realize the fancy stats aren't going to win by themselves.
2) He signed Tavares for huge money when it didn't fill a need at all, causing them to lose a much more affordable Kadri.
3) Has a very bad track record with negotiations. All of his star players received top dollar and the best terms available.
4) Tried to pull one over on Shanahan, overvaluing his position, and was subsequently kicked to the curb.

What does anyone like about him other than his love for fancy stats and the "new" style of play? Other GMs do the same thing and are way more successful.

The Toronto media machine made him a celebrity. Any other market and any non-corporate-weird-telco ownership would have canned his ass ages ago.

The only one of the big 4 he acquired was 91. Hunter was responsible for MM and any moron would have drafted AM 1OA.

The 91 acquisition also destroyed his internal salary structure, forcing him to pay more for AM than he probably would have had to in order for his best player to be his highest paid, which also meant MM needed more.

Add in the childish bottle throwing and cursing at fans and running down from the owners box in a big panic when 91 got hurt in the playoffs, plus the whining last week in his presser… ugh.

 

[The Real JT]

I was a proponent of flipping Pulock before he signed his new deal but now? I don’t see it or get it.

One or two years ago there was a reasonable hope that Dobson would ascend to a #1RHD slot. While it’s still possible it’s now more of a long shot than a likely outcome.

With Mayfield likely gone, no in house certainties for the #3RHD slot and an expected minimal bump to the cap, how exactly does losing our #1RHD help?

This team is built on defense and goaltending. Losing Pulock and presumably Mayfield leaves us 2 holes on the RHD side with no certainty that Dobson will be anything more than a #2Dman. Regardless of the assets returned that makes the overall team worse.