Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Chapin Landvogt]

Cap ceiling = 83.5M (so goes up by 1M)

Trade:
Bailey to Chicago for 2024 2nd

Dawwwwwg, you trippin'???

 

[MJF]

Cap ceiling = 83.5M (so goes up by 1M)

Trade:
Bailey to Chicago for 2024 2nd

RFA:
Wahlstrom, 2 years 1.25M per

UFA:
Severson, 5 years 6M per
Engvall, 3 years 3.33M per
Delia, 1 year 1M per
Parise, 1 year 775K
Wotherspoon 775K

LTIR:
Clutterbuck

Waived:
Johnston

Engvall-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Horvat-Holmstrom
Wahlstrom-Barzal-Pageau
Parise-Cizikas-Fasching
Martin, Koivula

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Severson
Aho-Dobson
Wotherspoon

Sorokin
Delia

53K in cap space baby!

Call ups:
Durandeau
Dufour
Iskhakov
Hutton
Salo
Johnston

You're not getting a 2nd in any year for Josh Bailey.

If Chicago takes him with no salary retention and no strings attached, accept a 6th round pick and be happy you got it. It's a gift.

 

[denis5]

You're not getting a 2nd in any year for Josh Bailey.

If Chicago takes him with no salary retention and no strings attached, accept a 6th round pick and be happy you got it. It's a gift.

I don't think that is even possible. Anyone that takes him would require some asset gain. Maybe something like Bailey and our 2nd for one of Chicago's 3rd round picks, and the cap space gained would be well worth that.

 

[Glory Days]

You're not getting a 2nd in any year for Josh Bailey.

If Chicago takes him with no salary retention and no strings attached, accept a 6th round pick and be happy you got it. It's a gift.

I hope he means Isles are giving a 2nd for Chicago to Bailey. I could see that.

 

[seafoam]

Dawwwwwg, you trippin'???

I meant 2024 2nd + Bailey to Chicago for nothing. I am not tripping.

You're not getting a 2nd in any year for Josh Bailey.

If Chicago takes him with no salary retention and no strings attached, accept a 6th round pick and be happy you got it. It's a gift.

See above, NYI is sending their 2024 2nd to Chicago along with Bailey for nothing in return other than maybe a minor league body or a 6th/7th.

 

[doublechili]

I'll bet CHI would have some interest in taking on Bailey - he'd be a perfect fit. Eats up $5M in cap space but gets paid less, vet leader, won't screw up next year's tank. But I'd rather not pay an asset to send him away and would prefer some kind of salary for salary trade, if possible.

 

[Glory Days]

Cap ceiling = 83.5M (so goes up by 1M)

Trade:
EDIT: Bailey + NYI 2024 2nd to Chicago for Future Considerations

RFA:
Wahlstrom, 2 years 1.25M per

UFA:
Severson, 5 years 6M per
Engvall, 3 years 3.33M per
Delia, 1 year 1M per
Parise, 1 year 775K
Wotherspoon 775K

LTIR:
Clutterbuck

Waived:
Johnston

Engvall-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Horvat-Holmstrom
Wahlstrom-Barzal-Pageau
Parise-Cizikas-Fasching
Martin, Koivula

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Severson
Aho-Dobson
Wotherspoon

Sorokin
Delia

53K in cap space baby!

Call ups:
Durandeau
Dufour
Iskhakov
Hutton
Salo
Johnston

I would prefer Orlov over severson for that cap hit. No Bolduc? I’d prefer him over Aho.

 

[MJF]

I meant 2024 2nd + Bailey to Chicago for nothing. I am not tripping.


See above, NYI is sending their 2024 2nd to Chicago along with Bailey for nothing in return other than maybe a minor league body or a 6th/7th.

I wouldn't give up another draft pick to get Bailey off the roster. I'd rather see Lou just buy him out.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Any interest in a trade for Alex Debrincat (rumored to want an extension at $7.5-8M but seems like he may not want to stay in Canada...) with JG Pageau heading back to Ottawa (+ fillers)?

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Any interest in a trade for Alex Debrincat (rumored to want an extension at $7.5-8M but seems like he may not want to stay in Canada...) with JG Pageau heading back to Ottawa (+ fillers)?

Yes

And not that I want to jettison JGP, we desperately need a scoring winger.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Yes

And not that I want to jettison JGP, we desperately need a scoring winger.

And Ottawa needs a more defensive-minded player on their 2nd/3rd line to support some of the young, less aware in their own end, guys. Plus it can be hard to convince players to come here, whereas Pageau already lives here in the summer so... could be fit.

 

[seafoam]

I wouldn't give up another draft pick to get Bailey off the roster. I'd rather see Lou just buy him out.

That's also a possibility, but leaves you with less wiggle room.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Any interest in a trade for Alex Debrincat (rumored to want an extension at $7.5-8M but seems like he may not want to stay in Canada...) with JG Pageau heading back to Ottawa (+ fillers)?

I was incredibly angry how little he fetched for last offseason because I knew he would've been the perfect fit.

I love Pageau, but would do this trade in a heartbeat.

 

[The Real JT]

The Bailey talk is heating up again.

We all enjoy playoff hockey but was there realistically a chance of us winning the Cup this year? Flipping Mayfield +/- Varly at the TDL would’ve given the Isles all that’s needed (and more) to move Bailey this offseason.

Moves like that at the TDL don’t mean you’re tanking or rebuilding. You might just call it smart asset management. Alternatively, you could just double down on what was never a winning hand and empty the cupboard even more.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

The Bailey talk is heating up again.

We all enjoy playoff hockey but was there realistically a chance of us winning the Cup this year? Flipping Mayfield +/- Varly at the TDL would’ve given the Isles all that’s needed (and more) to move Bailey this offseason.

Moves like that at the TDL don’t mean you’re tanking or rebuilding. You might just call it smart asset management. Alternatively, you could just double down on what was never a winning hand and empty the cupboard even more.

If you trade those two in the midst of a playoff push after acquiring Horvat, you are signaling to the team that the season is over.

 

[The Real JT]

The Bailey talk is heating up again.

We all enjoy playoff hockey but was there realistically a chance of us winning the Cup this year? Flipping Mayfield +/- Varly at the TDL would’ve given the Isles all that’s needed (and more) to move Bailey this offseason.

Moves like that at the TDL don’t mean you’re tanking or rebuilding. You might just call it smart asset management. Alternatively, you could just double down on what was never a winning hand and empty the cupboard even more.

If you trade those two in the midst of a playoff push after acquiring Horvat, you are signaling to the team that the season is over.

The season was on life support in my mind. Sure anything can happen once you’re in but doubling down on a mediocre hand has consequences in the form of lost opportunities.

I’ll agree with you regarding the disconnect regarding trading players after acquiring Horvat. But then again, I was against the Horvat trade all along. I wasn’t against a trade per se using those particular assets but not for him.

So far I’m right. Hey, it happens sometimes.

 

[leeroggy]

I've just gotten back from the future and can let everyone know that Holmstrom's next five seasons will look like this:
5-12-17
11-23-34
20-24-44
18-41-59
33-52-85

Don't shoot the messenger...

I'm going to play those numbers tonight in Powerball, did they hit?

 

[SI]

Ideally they should, but cap constrains makes it difficult. Islanders cannot sign anyone to any major deal before Bailey, Martin, Clutterbuck, Palmieri and Pageau are all off the books.

That is not true.

Bailey, Martin, Cal will all be off the books by next season and Dobson and Romanov will not need raises until after the following season when Palmieri will be off the books with Nelson.

The Cap is also going to see a significant rise in 2024-2025 possibly up to 89

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I'll bet CHI would have some interest in taking on Bailey - he'd be a perfect fit. Eats up $5M in cap space but gets paid less, vet leader, won't screw up next year's tank.

DC, you're arriving to this party roughly 9 days too late.

Within hours after ChiTown got awarded the 1st overall pick, all these thoughts and sentiments were making their way through the matrix. Where you been?

But I'd rather not pay an asset to send him away and would prefer some kind of salary for salary trade, if possible.

It would be an absolute major fail if our GM can't solve the Bailey situation without giving another team draft capital to take him off our hands.

Alone placing him in BPort (which would cost respect on a number of fronts) is one option.

Heck, even buying him out would "only" mean a 2-year cap hit:

I'm certain management and Bailey will sit down and decide what's best based on what each party wants.

If Bailey wants to continue his NHL career, then he needs to be ready to move to whatever situation Lou can place him in in a manner that isn't a burden to the Isles, because the options I just mentioned are still on the table.

 

[IslesNorway]

That is not true.

Bailey, Martin, Cal will all be off the books by next season and Dobson and Romanov will not need raises until after the following season when Palmieri will be off the books with Nelson.

The Cap is also going to see a significant rise in 2024-2025 possibly up to 89

We know nothing about the cap as of yet and no GM can sign players supposing it goes up.

Clutterbuck, Martin, and Bailey comes off as does Sorokin. Guess where the money goes?

 

[LeapOnOver]

I've just gotten back from the future and can let everyone know that Holmstrom's next five seasons will look like this:
5-12-17
11-23-34
20-24-44
18-41-59
33-52-85

Don't shoot the messenger...

Why would I shoot you? That would be fabulous, although I'm curious is that 5-12-17 stat line a whole season in the NHL? Be curious to see if LL will have patience with output like that.

 

[doublechili]

DC, you're arriving to this party roughly 9 days too late.

Within hours after ChiTown got awarded the 1st overall pick, all these thoughts and sentiments were making their way through the matrix. Where you been?



It would be an absolute major fail if our GM can't solve the Bailey situation without giving another team draft capital to take him off our hands.

Alone placing him in BPort (which would cost respect on a number of fronts) is one option.

Heck, even buying him out would "only" mean a 2-year cap hit:
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I'm certain management and Bailey will sit down and decide what's best based on what each party wants.

If Bailey wants to continue his NHL career, then he needs to be ready to move to whatever situation Lou can place him in in a manner that isn't a burden to the Isles, because the options I just mentioned are still on the table.

Oh, I didn't think I was first - it just really is a good fit for CHI. Bailey can be Ed Westfall to their kids. And agreed it should happen without having to give up assets. But yeah, a day late and a dollar short.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

So far I’m right. Hey, it happens sometimes.

Well...

 

[Osakahaus]

Does anyone else think we should extend sorokin immediately? I'd offer him ten aav and lock him up. This team without him is bottom five imo.

No. Don't do that

 

[BelovedIsles]

Any interest in signing Tank. I'd invest Engvall's money into him. If the window is small and the team is in win-now mode, he fits the mold.