Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[SI90]

Mayfield also plays over 20 minutes a night routinely, he's not some 6th defenseman.



I think the pressure of needing to take the next step for the Islanders got to him a bit. He can be a 50 point guy for sure, just needs to get his head straight and be a bit more consistent. I'll always be a fan of his.

He’s a good kid.

 

[duster19]

Beauviller is talented. Legit skill to be a 30 goal guy. I feel like he was just comfortable here playing with his best friend. Change of scenery now he has to be a pro and handle his business.

I don’t know what happen to Beau. He was primed for a big season last year and instead just got a huge funk that later lasted almost 2 seasons. He looked like he hated it here by then end and his game showed. Still potential there. Good pickup from van. He was worth a shot.

He had to go.

 

[LeapOnOver]

I don’t know what happen to Beau. He was primed for a big season last year and instead just got a huge funk that later lasted almost 2 seasons. He looked like he hated it here by then end and his game showed. Still potential there. Good pickup from van. He was worth a shot.

He had to go.

Won't be the first struggling young guy to go on to Vancouver and find his stride. Todd Bertuzzi rings a bell!

 

[Duanesutter12]

They’re also saying they stole Beauvillier from us

I hope it turns out that they did but they should also be prepared for the inconsistencies because that knock against him is fair. We have a lot of great memories with him here and he is one of the players that leaves that you truly hope does well. Keep it going Beau!

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Lot of intriguing names here Domi/Anthaneseau/Henrique/grant/Kulikov…maybe even Klingberg. Also play ducks in 2 weeks so keep that in mind.

Henrique, Kulikov, and Grant for Bailey, Aho, Koivula, and '23 second rounder in 13 days time.

Take it to the bank.

We save heavily on travel costs in the process...

 

[NC 1972]

They’re killing Raty on the Vancouver board lol. Kid is 20 and was just traded. He’s probably nervous. I’d gladly trade for him back

Beau with 2 more goals last night,

 

[NC 1972]

Beauviller is talented. Legit skill to be a 30 goal guy. I feel like he was just comfortable here playing with his best friend. Change of scenery now he has to be a pro and handle his business.

He's also playing with more talent, Vancouver even with the departure of Horvat is talent heavy team that plays to it skill and he's benefitting from that system if they could learn some Defense they'd be a tough team to beat.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I've decided that whether we buy, sell, or stand pat, I'm down with whatever Lou decides to do.


As long as he finally hires me to help restock the system by unearthing overlooked European prospects ripe for the plucking.

 

[steveat]

Henrique, Kulikov, and Grant for Bailey, Aho, Koivula, and '23 second rounder in 13 days time.

Take it to the bank.

We save heavily on travel costs in the process...

I'm surprised that you aren't more patient with new players? Not everyone steps in and plays a good game, especially coming from you Chapin...Bailey not included...he's mentally checked out. I don't think he's bad...he's just checked out.

Mayfield was absolute garbage for at least the first 3 years before he stepped it up..and tbh, I think Trotz had A LOT to do with Mayfield taking that next step. These players need 2-3 years to get their stride..Has nothing to do with age, but moreso experience in the league.

The problem is that we have TOO many young players playing. You can't ignore that. Some teams fall apart as soon as you add more than one new face let alone 5/6 like we've been doing for half the season. I think we need a fully healthy team with 1 call up at a time to properly evaluate.

 

[mm11]

Mayfield also plays over 20 minutes a night routinely, he's not some 6th defenseman.



I think the pressure of needing to take the next step for the Islanders got to him a bit. He can be a 50 point guy for sure, just needs to get his head straight and be a bit more consistent. I'll always be a fan of his.

Always will be an AB fan. Hope he stays consistent.

 

[Top Corner]

They’re also saying they stole Beauvillier from us

Don’t kid yourself that Beauvillier isn’t a good player, he is. He may not bring the same things Horvat does but he will find his game in a different system. His game is not the only game that headed south playing in our system. Vcr got a good piece in the deal and if Raty ends up to be something they did real well , if he doesn’t and the first rounder does it still would be a good deal for both sides

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I'm surprised that you aren't more patient with new players? Not everyone steps in and plays a good game, especially coming from you Chapin...Bailey not included...he's mentally checked out. I don't think he's bad...he's just checked out.

Mayfield was absolute garbage for at least the first 3 years before he stepped it up..and tbh, I think Trotz had A LOT to do with Mayfield taking that next step. These players need 2-3 years to get their stride..Has nothing to do with age, but moreso experience in the league.

The problem is that we have TOO many young players playing. You can't ignore that. Some teams fall apart as soon as you add more than one new face let alone 5/6 like we've been doing for half the season. I think we need a fully healthy team with 1 call up at a time to properly evaluate.

The trade deadline is on Friday.

There can be no trade in 13 days' time...

Just thread humor here.

 

[crashthenet]

Henrique, Kulikov, and Grant for Bailey, Aho, Koivula, and '23 second rounder in 13 days time.

Take it to the bank.

We save heavily on travel costs in the process...

I would give up all my accumulated travel points to help the cause and make this happen.

 

[crashthenet]

Don’t kid yourself that Beauvillier isn’t a good player, he is. He may not bring the same things Horvat does but he will find his game in a different system. His game is not the only game that headed south playing in our system. Vcr got a good piece in the deal and if Raty ends up to be something they did real well , if he doesn’t and the first rounder does it still would be a good deal for both sides

Agree - change of scenery for Beau. Good for him. Didn't love where his game was at here and overpaid for what he was doing. You gotta give to get. I think it was a solid trade for both teams. Gave us the ability to offer that 8th year and get the deal done.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Varlamov should be dealt no matter what.

Mayfield I have now changed my opinion on unless they can deal Mayfield AND grab a replacement long term.

Simply put, you don't make the Horvat trade giving this core one more chance and then sell once they played themselves into a playoff spot.

Unless you subsequently lose your best player for an extended stretch

 

[steveat]

Players must see it as a HUGE inconvenience to be traded at the TDL....

I mean regarding players like Varly and Mayfield who are going to UFA, but probably want to stay with their original teams. Unless they are just saying it for the cameras...

I guess I can't put myself in their skates, but to help out the team, get a shot at the cup and return like 2/3 months later and re-sign with the original team...I dono..it doesn't sound like a big deal to me..especially the extra money if you make it past a round or 2 or more..

What am I missing?

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

It really is a tale of 2 realisms on this board, per usual.

First you have the "want to make the playoffs crowd" who really have no real faith that the Islanders are contenders, even with a couple of additions at the deadline but feel that goal alone is reason enough to trade even more of the few assets we have left. They say things like we are "in a playoff spot" but know damn well that so many games in hand from teams behind us make that a falsehood where odds actually have us currently as the THIRD most likely to take that final 8th spot.

To say nothing about how loaded the East is- and who we would be facing should we get that spot. A team that is on pace to break the single season record for wins and have outscored us 14-6 this season (3-0).

To say nothing about other loaded East teams (the only ones with a fair chance of beating the Bruins) who are adding significant pieces themselves during this deadline.

To say nothing about the fact we lost our best player for who knows how long and are still waiting for the return of our 3C- a team that can ill afford such losses because of our lack of depth at forward.

And then you have the more realistic group of fans who want no less to see the Islanders in the postseason- but not at the expense of trading away more assets (or I would argue not trading for more assets with expiring players)- UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANCE OF CONTENDING.

They realize they are still a LONGSHOT to make the playoffs and literally have NO CHANCE of contending this season for the myriad of reasons mentioned above, so as much as it hurts they want THE FUTURE (2023-24 and beyond) to be more in the forefront than simply "trying" to make the playoffs this season...

Unfortunately Lou embraces the former group and the later just has to watch more bad decisions being made and hope Sorokin becomes God in Net to justify it....

 

[Glory Days]

It really is a tale of 2 realisms on this board, per usual.

First you have the "want to make the playoffs crowd" who really have no real faith that the Islanders are contenders, even with a couple of additions at the deadline but feel that goal alone is reason enough to trade even more of the few assets we have left. They say things like we are "in a playoff spot" but know damn well that so many games in hand from teams behind us make that a falsehood where odds actually have us currently as the THIRD most likely to take that final 8th spot.

To say nothing about how loaded the East is- and who we would be facing should we get that spot. A team that is on pace to break the single season record for wins and have outscored us 14-6 this season (3-0).

To say nothing about other loaded East teams (the only ones with a fair chance of beating the Bruins) who are adding significant pieces themselves during this deadline.

To say nothing about the fact we lost our best player for who knows how long and are still waiting for the return of our 3C- a team that can ill afford such losses because of our lack of depth at forward.

And then you have the more realistic group of fans who want no less to see the Islanders in the postseason- but not at the expense of trading away more assets (or I would argue not trading for more assets with expiring players)- UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANCE OF CONTENDING.

They realize they are still a LONGSHOT to make the playoffs and literally have NO CHANCE of contending this season for the myriad of reasons mentioned above, so as much as it hurts they want THE FUTURE (2023-24 and beyond) to be more in the forefront than simply "trying" to make the playoffs this season...

Unfortunately Lou embraces the former group and the later just has to watch more bad decisions being made and hope Sorokin becomes God in Net to justify it....

I’m in a 3rd realism you aren’t considering. I want this team to retool and stay competitive. I never thought much of Raty. I didn’t view his skating as good enough to be a high end forward. And I thought Beau needed a change of scenery. So I am
In favor of the Horvat trade. We have him for 8 years.
I also think many on this board over value what the Isles can get in a trade for Varly and Mayfield. There are too many D on the trade market and I doubt Mayfield gets more than a 2 with no adds. Varly supposedly vetoed Edmonton and I don’t see the Kings giving up more than a 3. So I don’t see big returns for the Isles as sellers and I think both players have more value to the Isles than another team. I think both will resign on team friendly deals. Other older players I want gone have no trade value.
So yes I want change but think the Isles options are very limited until a few contracts start to end.

 

[CupHolders]

I don't seem to remember Trotz being particularly fond of Wally, and it would be strange if they weren't consulting him about this seeing as he coached the guy for 3 years. I also don't seem to recall Rosner having any track record with "insider information", but there's a first time for everything and I generally really like the dude's reporting.

Does Wahlstrom, Aho, and the other first get us Ekholm with them taking Bailey? Maybe, maybe...

EDIT: Holy Shit, Duchene scored 40 goals last year? had no idea. Also another 3 years left at 8M with a NTC that kicks in next year. They're probably trying to get rid of him asap. Wahlstrom + Pageau?

Just musing, but…

I’ve wondered about Pageau, Bailey and Wahlstrom for Duchene and Sissons. That’s 11m of cap going both ways.

Isles improve their top six scoring and get an acceptable replacement for Pageau.

Personally I think it would be a huge success (as suggested in the article) if the Isles could just turn Bailey’s remaining year to Sissons two more years at 2.8.

Would give the Isles some solid depth with Sissons and Cizikas. Both players can play up and down the lineup as needed.

Despite being a huge Pageau fan, I would consider flipping him if the market is as strong as it seems for centers.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

It really is a tale of 2 realisms on this board, per usual.

First you have the "want to make the playoffs crowd" who really have no real faith that the Islanders are contenders, even with a couple of additions at the deadline but feel that goal alone is reason enough to trade even more of the few assets we have left. They say things like we are "in a playoff spot" but know damn well that so many games in hand from teams behind us make that a falsehood where odds actually have us currently as the THIRD most likely to take that final 8th spot.

To say nothing about how loaded the East is- and who we would be facing should we get that spot. A team that is on pace to break the single season record for wins and have outscored us 14-6 this season (3-0).

To say nothing about other loaded East teams (the only ones with a fair chance of beating the Bruins) who are adding significant pieces themselves during this deadline.

To say nothing about the fact we lost our best player for who knows how long and are still waiting for the return of our 3C- a team that can ill afford such losses because of our lack of depth at forward.

And then you have the more realistic group of fans who want no less to see the Islanders in the postseason- but not at the expense of trading away more assets (or I would argue not trading for more assets with expiring players)- UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANCE OF CONTENDING.

They realize they are still a LONGSHOT to make the playoffs and literally have NO CHANCE of contending this season for the myriad of reasons mentioned above, so as much as it hurts they want THE FUTURE (2023-24 and beyond) to be more in the forefront than simply "trying" to make the playoffs this season...

Unfortunately Lou embraces the former group and the later just has to watch more bad decisions being made and hope Sorokin becomes God in Net to justify it....

Dumb post.

You forgot to include two other groups:

1. Those who liked the Horvat trade and signing and are rooting for the team to make the playoffs. But also realize that now is not the time to go 100% all-in and sell picks/prospects for rentals at the deadline. (People like me).

2. Those who fantasize about draft picks and the fuuuuture and advocate selling everything that isn't bolted down. As always. (People like you.)

 

[Mike C]

I’m in a 3rd realism you aren’t considering. I want this team to retool and stay competitive. I never thought much of Raty. I didn’t view his skating as good enough to be a high end forward. And I thought Beau needed a change of scenery. So I am
In favor of the Horvat trade. We have him for 8 years.
I also think many on this board over value what the Isles can get in a trade for Varly and Mayfield. There are too many D on the trade market and I doubt Mayfield gets more than a 2 with no adds. Varly supposedly vetoed Edmonton and I don’t see the Kings giving up more than a 3. So I don’t see big returns for the Isles as sellers and I think both players have more value to the Isles than another team. I think both will resign on team friendly deals. Other older players I want gone have no trade value.
So yes I want change but think the Isles options are very limited until a few contracts start to end.

i agree on Mayfield and Varly and also think Parise will be back on a year contract

you know i'm a big Wally fan but i can see Lou moving him.

 

[CupHolders]

I’m in a 3rd realism you aren’t considering. I want this team to retool and stay competitive. I never thought much of Raty. I didn’t view his skating as good enough to be a high end forward. And I thought Beau needed a change of scenery. So I am
In favor of the Horvat trade. We have him for 8 years.
I also think many on this board over value what the Isles can get in a trade for Varly and Mayfield. There are too many D on the trade market and I doubt Mayfield gets more than a 2 with no adds. Varly supposedly vetoed Edmonton and I don’t see the Kings giving up more than a 3. So I don’t see big returns for the Isles as sellers and I think both players have more value to the Isles than another team. I think both will resign on team friendly deals. Other older players I want gone have no trade value.
So yes I want change but think the Isles options are very limited until a few contracts start to end.

Varly might draw a return from VGK or another team with injury prone goalies.

But if he can be retained for a team friendly deal then I would prefer that over acquiring anything below a first round pick.

I would prefer 2 years at 2.5m… which means it will likely be 3 years at 2.5-3m

 

[Mike C]

Dumb post.

You forgot to include two other groups:

1. Those who liked the Horvat trade and signing and are rooting for the team to make the playoffs. But also realize that now is not the time to go 100% all-in and sell picks/prospects for rentals at the deadline. (People like me).

2. Those who fantasize about draft picks and the fuuuuture and advocate selling everything that isn't bolted down. As always. (People like you.)

be great to get picks picks picks

would hate to miss out on the next superstar draftee like bellows or holmstrom

 

[PK Cronin]

The trade deadline is on Friday.

There can be no trade in 13 days' time...

Just thread humor here.

Trades can happen after the trade deadline, those acquisitions just can't be used for the playoffs.

Players must see it as a HUGE inconvenience to be traded at the TDL....

I mean regarding players like Varly and Mayfield who are going to UFA, but probably want to stay with their original teams. Unless they are just saying it for the cameras...

I guess I can't put myself in their skates, but to help out the team, get a shot at the cup and return like 2/3 months later and re-sign with the original team...I dono..it doesn't sound like a big deal to me..especially the extra money if you make it past a round or 2 or more..

What am I missing?

The employer is telling you that you're more valuable away from the team than with the team at the point of the trade. Another organization is saying you're part of the solution for them. It could get messy pretty quickly, especially if the new team has success.

It really is a tale of 2 realisms on this board, per usual.

First you have the "want to make the playoffs crowd" who really have no real faith that the Islanders are contenders, even with a couple of additions at the deadline but feel that goal alone is reason enough to trade even more of the few assets we have left. They say things like we are "in a playoff spot" but know damn well that so many games in hand from teams behind us make that a falsehood where odds actually have us currently as the THIRD most likely to take that final 8th spot.

To say nothing about how loaded the East is- and who we would be facing should we get that spot. A team that is on pace to break the single season record for wins and have outscored us 14-6 this season (3-0).

To say nothing about other loaded East teams (the only ones with a fair chance of beating the Bruins) who are adding significant pieces themselves during this deadline.

To say nothing about the fact we lost our best player for who knows how long and are still waiting for the return of our 3C- a team that can ill afford such losses because of our lack of depth at forward.

And then you have the more realistic group of fans who want no less to see the Islanders in the postseason- but not at the expense of trading away more assets (or I would argue not trading for more assets with expiring players)- UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANCE OF CONTENDING.

They realize they are still a LONGSHOT to make the playoffs and literally have NO CHANCE of contending this season for the myriad of reasons mentioned above, so as much as it hurts they want THE FUTURE (2023-24 and beyond) to be more in the forefront than simply "trying" to make the playoffs this season...

Unfortunately Lou embraces the former group and the later just has to watch more bad decisions being made and hope Sorokin becomes God in Net to justify it....

Of course you put yourself in the "realistic" grouping. Seems like there's some willful ignorance happening here with the "realistic" group.

The East is loaded up right now, but why are the Islanders destined to get Boston in the opening round and not Carolina? Refresh my memory, what happened the last time the Islanders faced Boston in the playoffs? Were the Islanders the favorite in that series? Wasn't there some record setting team in the 2019 playoffs that got bounced in four games in the opening round against a way less talented team? Maybe I'm just making that up.

2022 saw a 1 seed win the cup. Every other 1 seed was bounced in the second round.
2021 saw a 2 seed win the cup. Two 1 seeds were bounced in the first round, another in the second.
2020 saw a 2 seed win the cup. The 1 seed in the East was Philadelphia, they lost to the Islanders if you don't remember.
2019 saw the 3 seed win the cup. All four 1 seeds were bounced in the first round.

The insistence from the "realistic" group that teams can't win unless they're a favorite is so idiotic in the NHL today. The Islanders have one of the best goaltenders on the planet, they can absolutely knock some teams off. They also added a significant piece in Horvat, who has been playing pretty darn well with Barzal out (as the team has).

Who gets to determine what "contending" means? How does a team "contend" if they're never given a chance because "they're not going to win the cup anyway?" We're talking about two expiring contracts. Mayfield and Varlamov. These are both players the team should be looking to keep around, not jettisoning them out the door. Draft picks replenish themselves, there isn't a need to collect them like you're a pokemon trainer.

I don't really see anyone talking about adding rentals or anything wild. I think most people understand that the likelihood of this team winning the cup is slim at the moment. That doesn't mean the team shouldn't try to get to the dance. They should be looking to do exactly what was done with the Horvat deal, grab someone who will be around a long time and helps change the team dynamic. Are you getting upset if they go get another 27 year old and lock them up if they're more talented than guys we already have? You shouldn't be, even if it costs draft picks to do so.

The team does have one of the best goalies on the planet and just throwing that to the side like it doesn't matter is foolish. They shouldn't rely on Sorokin to win the cup by himself, but he can certainly help the team on their way to winning one if they get hot or make another good move or two.

 

[Glorydays22]

be great to get picks picks picks

would hate to miss out on the next superstar draftee like bellows or holmstrom

Those picks could mean something if we have someone else picking the players besides old man Lou.