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I’m for whatever makes Ilya SoroKING sign an extension. He leaves we’re looking at 5 years of no playoffs including this and last year. He’s in the top %20 of goaltending stats and I got news for you our defense isn’t even all that good. Dobson and Romanov have been quite underwhelming.
 
DerekKingSnipes said:
I don’t think they are signing Mayfield, he’s going to come close to four million a year I’d bet. Everyone thinks Lou won’t trade Mayfield or Varlamov but I’d disagree. I think Bailey could be a buyout guy this off-season.
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My good man spot on. Personally I think the performance by Varly on Saturday had The Godfather’s blood pressure rise. Skarek could have given a better performance. He was great today, not good but great. We can’t put Varly out again. If we get a 3rd for him I’d be delirious.
 
The Real JT said:
I’m not surprised by the significant number of fans still clinging to the hope that this group has one more run in them.

What does surprise me is that some of those same fans acknowledge our subpar play but don’t propose a path for the franchise’s future. This, on a team with aging veterans and a barren prospect pool. When others suggest trading veterans for picks they’re belittled. Who needs a late first round or second round pick anyway?

We do.
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I think many here already know where I stood with this team.I , like most here certainly want to see them succeed but I was not foolish to think they were 1 player away and went public suggesting they needed at least 2. I like Horvat but was warned that I broke some rule when I suggested that Beau would probably outscore Horvat after the trade, not because he was a better player but his new environment would open up some of his talents that the Isles coaching staff had sucked out of him. I for one will be disappointed if they don’t move the expiring contracts for something at the deadline because there will zero chance they can resign these guys and fit under the cap. If we keep them, there is next to zero chance we are making it when the dust settles. Smart play is to look at next year’s roster and start taking steps now to be ready come October
 
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MarsTBOW said:
Hope your right.....
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I mean have to consider that Mayfield maybe nets them a first round pick? At very least it’s more ammo for Lou to acquire another played in their prime. Getting a left shot veteran defenseman to play with Dobson is a need and the replacing Mayfield with someone younger as right shot. I wonder if isles would try and move Pageau this off-season, he is important player here but at cap hit it might be better to use that space to see if they can get someone capable of playing with Horvat and Barzal.
 
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What was the Barzal injury? I didn't watch the Boston game. Score was spoiled and just didn't feel like spending an hour and a half watching the team get bitch slapped. I only watched the highlights. Did it look serious?
 
DerekKingSnipes said:
I don’t think they are signing Mayfield, he’s going to come close to four million a year I’d bet. Everyone thinks Lou won’t trade Mayfield or Varlamov but I’d disagree. I think Bailey could be a buyout guy this off-season.
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Mayfield WILL get 4+ a year in free agency, whether it is with NYI or someone else. Manson 4/4.5, Gudbranson 4/4, and Larson 4/4.

If they don’t resign Mayfield and Wahlstrom signs a QO, Parise at league minimum, and a Bailey buyout leaves the Isles with only 6m to sign a back up goalie and a 4/5 type D man.

Bailey buyout is a 2.7 m hit!

They need to move out Bailey’s contract clean, if they want to add a significant piece during the off-season.
 
DerekKingSnipes said:
I mean have to consider that Mayfield maybe nets them a first round pick? At very least it’s more ammo for Lou to acquire another played in their prime. Getting a left shot veteran defenseman to play with Dobson is a need and the replacing Mayfield with someone younger as right shot. I wonder if isles would try and move Pageau this off-season, he is important player here but at cap hit it might be better to use that space to see if they can get someone capable of playing with Horvat and Barzal.
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Who do you replace Pageau with?
And what kind of return do you expect?
If you want to shake things up, then Nelson is the one you move… you grab a top prospect and a first and clear 6m from the cap - use that $ to add a new piece to the new core

There is a reality that isles keep Nelson and Pageau - resign Mayfield, sign a cheap back up and if they clear Bailey’s contract - they could fit Chychrun and his 4.65 aav.
 
PK Cronin said:
Who is clinging to the hope that they have another run in them? Lamoriello just traded for Horvat, he's not going to tear it down to the studs by trading everyone, he's also 80 years old, there is no rebuild coming. You'll see more trades like the Horvat one more than likely and he won't be trading veterans he wants to keep around.
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I agree he will continue being Lou cause he’s all in and there’s no going back, however in order to do that he needs to attain a first round pick. Because currently he has very little trade capital, my guess should the Islanders finish 12 or lower he will trade our 5th consecutive first rounder and throw in some odds and ends and go into next year after acquiring said player assuring the fans we will compete for the cup. Now consider what I’ve just mentioned, possibly trading away our 5th consecutive 1st. Just realized that I errored I’m counting this years pick twice my apologies
 
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SI said:
Mayfield WILL get 4+ a year in free agency, whether it is with NYI or someone else. Manson 4/4.5, Gudbranson 4/4, and Larson 4/4.

If they don’t resign Mayfield and Wahlstrom signs a QO, Parise at league minimum, and a Bailey buyout leaves the Isles with only 6m to sign a back up goalie and a 4/5 type D man.

Bailey buyout is a 2.7 m hit!

They need to move out Bailey’s contract clean, if they want to add a significant piece during the off-season.
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Bailey will suck us dry even when he is gone for a year.... Sad But True. Judas's Best Buddy
 
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If Brazal injury is serious....we are screwed and I'm not talking this year.....Long term. If this has any effect in his speed, he's done.
 
PK Cronin said:
The issue I have with the rotating cast of recalls is that it's rewarding them or giving them a taste of the NHL but it isn't providing the team with any level of consistency. Raty, Dufour, Fasching, Koivula, Durandeau, Andreoff, Holmstrom, Bardreau...am I missing anyone? That's a lot of guys to cycle through for just a spot or two. On defense it's been similar, Cholowski, Salo, Bolduc, Wotherspoon. Just pick a guy and go with it.

I do like Durandeau so I'm happy for him and am interested to see him play. He could be a fourth liner at some point.
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Agree. It feels like an act of desperation. They are just throwing stuff at the wall to see if something sticks.
 
SI said:
@Chapin Landvogt

Your thoughts on Valterri Pulli?
Is he an NHL d man? Diamond in the rough? Fringe NHLer? Top 4? Bottom pairing d man?

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Report: Jeff Marek indicates the NY Islanders among teams interested in Finnish defenseman Valtteri Pulli

According to Jeff Marek, the NY Islanders have expressed interest in breakout Finnish undrafted defenseman Valtteri Pulli.
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I feel strongly that when you go year for year making just ~5 picks per draft, usually without a 1st rounder and sometimes without a 2nd, you should be supplementing your system with youngsters via other avenues. And there are always late bloomers of sorts who don't look like NHL possibilities until they're 21-24 years old. Pulli is 22 and having a breakout season.

We have a Finn named Rajaniemi (6'4", 225 lbs.) who was part of a WJC squad in recent years and who has played a lot of Liiga games since his draft year, albeit constantly in a Dman 5-7 role. He's huge and this season is just as yeoman-like as his previous two seasons (actually, a tick worse and including a trade). But a kid that size playing D often needs a good bit of time to develop.

This kid Pulli is IMHO a good bit better than Rajaniemi in his entirety. He has a lot of mobility for a boy his size and age. From what I've seen, there's plenty of reason to think there could be a future NHLer here. I think he's further along than i.e. Niko Mikkola was at that stage. Considerably, in fact, because he moves with the puck and has shown balls in asserting himself in the offensive zone, as in he'll carry it behind the opponent's net and set things up.

What I do know (from a Finnish contact - who likes him a lot) is that the papers there are indicating considerable NHL interest. So, just because we're linked doesn't have to mean we're a lead horse. I mean, our head of amateur scouting is a Finn, so we have to think he's on top of something like this. Lou also added that dude from Toronto who is seen as some kind of wooer of European players, albeit usually Russians, so maybe he's gotta work whatever magic he can here.

Put differntly, if Pulli were one of our own draft picks, he'd look like an absolute lock to get his ELC from us this summer. As much so, if not more, than Liukas. We should actually be adding 3-4 kids like this.

Even more so if guys like Bolduc are earmarked for trades, but only Lou knows that.

I'd have zero problem seeing the Isles add him.

Will he make it to the show someday? Truth is, looking at all the college, CHL, and European free agents that get added every year, few actually do make it whatsoever, much less in a regular capacity. But there are always exceptions and having competition in your system shouldn't be frowned upon.
 
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Let's say the isles end up with the 10th pick.... if we trade back a few times for 2 later 1sts can we unload one to satisfy the trade? Or once we elect to keep/trade the pick it automatically transfers to 2024?


Given our prospect pool and lack of 2024 pick if we can't give one up in 2023 it would be wise to trade back and acquire multiple additional picks in 2023 imo.
 
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TeamKidd said:
Let's say the isles end up with the 10th pick.... if we trade back a few times for 2 later 1sts can we unload one to satisfy the trade? Or once we elect to keep/trade the pick it automatically transfers to 2024?
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Here is what CapFriendly says:
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Recently, several posters here said that even if the pick is top 12, Lou can naturally "choose" to allow Vancouver to have it as opposed to them automatically getting the 2024 pick.

But I don't think so.

I think it's really the case that if it's pick 1-12, it remains with the Islanders one way or another. Vancouver then automatically gets the 24 first rounder, one way or another. It appears to already be stipulated.

That would then mean that Lou can then move that '23 first in a trade, perhaps to drop back as you mention. He could deal AGAIN with Vancouver, if he so chooses, but he can't defer the 23 pick as opposed to the 2024 pick. If the lottery comes and we have any pick in the top 12, it's ours. Moving it in any way requires a separate deal.

I've looked around and at the moment, not many teams have two 1st rounders this summer. That could change over the next 14 days of course. I've also thought that if you're picking, say, 10-12, it'd behoove this franchise to perhaps get into business with a team that might be picking, say, 17th and 26th. It's a deep draft and we haven't been drafting high in a good, long while.

But who knows. The last time we had a top 12 pick, we got Dobson out of it (Wahlstrom too), so maybe Lou 'n co. decide to stick with it.

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So, in other words, let's say the team moves back and gets picks 19 and 25. They could then certainly trade i.e. pick 19 to Vancouver to get our 2024 first rounder back. But they can't just automatically defer it to alleviate the Horvat trade. Vancouver would have to right to see our '24 pick as their property and handle accordingly.
 
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Here is what CapFriendly says:
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Recently, several posters here said that even if the pick is top 12, Lou can naturally "choose" to allow Vancouver to have it as opposed to them automatically getting the 2024 pick.

But I don't think so.

I think it's really the case that if it's pick 1-12, it remains with the Islanders one way or another. Vancouver then automatically gets the 24 first rounder, one way or another. It appears to already be stipulated.

That would then mean that Lou can then move that '23 first in a trade, perhaps to drop back as you mention. He could deal AGAIN with Vancouver, if he so chooses, but he can't defer the 23 pick as opposed to the 2024 pick. If the lottery comes and we have any pick in the top 12, it's ours. Moving it in any way requires a separate deal.

I've looked around and at the moment, not many teams have two 1st rounders this summer. That could change over the next 14 days of course. I've also thought that if you're picking, say, 10-12, it'd behoove this franchise to perhaps get into business with a team that might be picking, say, 17th and 26th. It's a deep draft and we haven't been drafting high in a good, long while.

But who knows. The last time we had a top 12 pick, we got Dobson out of it (Wahlstrom too), so maybe Lou 'n co. decide to stick with it.

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So, in other words, let's say the team moves back and gets picks 19 and 25. They could then certainly trade i.e. pick 19 to Vancouver to get our 2024 first rounder back. But they can't just automatically defer it to alleviate the Horvat trade. Vancouver would have to right to see our '24 pick as their property and handle accordingly.
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I don't know much about this draft other than it's supposed to be good, so I do see value in acquiring more picks especially in light of us having no first rounder next year.

It would be interesting to see if VAN would be interested in a mid 1st this year as opposed to our unprotected pick next year.
 
When it comes to the state of this franchise,Lou is leading the sheep to the slaughter house . It could set us back a decade with the lack of low cost talent in the system. When injuries happen is when you call on the your system to bail you out but with this void, we are in peril..Might even be in worse shape than when he left NJ.
 
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