doublechili
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If that's the case, it would be us and 30 other teams. Everyone should sell!
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CupHolders
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You joke. But this is honestly where sports seems to be headed. I understand why fans want to emphasize acquiring futures over competing. There is absolutely a time and place for it. I’m not even arguing against the Isles doing that just now.If that's the case, it would be us and 30 other teams. Everyone should sell!
But this mindset is becoming increasingly pervasive and the threshold of what qualifies as “contender” is being raised.
This league will be super awesome when you have 2-3 teams (including the Rangers) enjoying a buyer’s market from the remaining NHL teams too chicken shit to actually try and compete.
If we were to follow HFBoards consensus… Boston and Dallas would have faced a retool/rebuild from last playoffs.
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Checked the Caps board and their fans are more positive about a rebuild/retool and tank for a 3% shot at Bedard. Their chance of making the playoff is still higher than Isles.
With Isles possibly losing Barzal and Pageau for an extended time, they also have a chance to get into that 11th spot or 12th spot to land a good prospect this year as this is the draft year is much better than 2024. Does Isles look like a cup-contending team over the last 2 games, totally dominated by their opposition?
Isles need to sell and do not wait until the last minute as the return will then be minimum from what I recall. I actually see that Detroit will land that last playoff spot. Even if the Isles do somehow, they end up playing Boston the team just totally humiliated them yesterday. Not a good look at all.
They also need to move the cap now in order to resign their star starter and a bottom RD in the summer, so it is a no-brainer. Do not move Nelson though yet, as a retool is better than a full rebuild unless you have multiple 1st round picks.
With Isles possibly losing Barzal and Pageau for an extended time, they also have a chance to get into that 11th spot or 12th spot to land a good prospect this year as this is the draft year is much better than 2024. Does Isles look like a cup-contending team over the last 2 games, totally dominated by their opposition?
Isles need to sell and do not wait until the last minute as the return will then be minimum from what I recall. I actually see that Detroit will land that last playoff spot. Even if the Isles do somehow, they end up playing Boston the team just totally humiliated them yesterday. Not a good look at all.
They also need to move the cap now in order to resign their star starter and a bottom RD in the summer, so it is a no-brainer. Do not move Nelson though yet, as a retool is better than a full rebuild unless you have multiple 1st round picks.
PK Cronin
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Absolutely true.
Fans think it's easy, just suck long enough and everything will be okay!
doublechili
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Funny enough, the salary cap is a reason to keep picks and draft well, but it's also a reason that you can't exclusively build through the draft so you need to move some future assets. It's more complicated now than it used to be.
mm11
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Also to add, a full blow-up will take years to be successful. You need to keep well-season-solid vets to go with top young prospects. This is especially true for defense and goalies because it takes longer for D to become good and consistent at the NHL level. The Makar case is extremely rare and Colorado got really lucky with him. Even with Hedman, it took quite a few years before he reached his top level.
I just do not think Isles is healthy enough this year, with key players taking their turns being out of the lineup. Pelly with his concussion, Palms out for an extended time, and now maybe Pageau, and Barzal. These are key players, not complimentary players. If they are all fully healthy and available at the same time, this will be quite a different team. However realistically can they all come back within the next 2 weeks? Also if Pelly is playing, not sure if his concussion is still impacting him. Concussion does take a long time for its effect to fully come off. The AHL forward fill in are ok but does not have enough impact to help with winning the game. The # 5 and #6 D are simply not good enough too. They need more time to work on their focus and decision-making.
I don't think that...we sucked for a very long time and everything is still not ok.
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Skip To My Lou
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Happy for Durandeau as he's earned a look. That being said, this season is toast when we have to use emergency recalls this late in the season.
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PK Cronin
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The issue I have with the rotating cast of recalls is that it's rewarding them or giving them a taste of the NHL but it isn't providing the team with any level of consistency. Raty, Dufour, Fasching, Koivula, Durandeau, Andreoff, Holmstrom, Bardreau...am I missing anyone? That's a lot of guys to cycle through for just a spot or two. On defense it's been similar, Cholowski, Salo, Bolduc, Wotherspoon. Just pick a guy and go with it.
I do like Durandeau so I'm happy for him and am interested to see him play. He could be a fourth liner at some point.
Richie Daggers Crime
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Agreed. Also, it ignores the effect of scorched earth mentality on the players. It's one thing to sell when you're the Coyotes, but you do that to a team in the hunt and it's a big deal. Not to be taken lightly.
The Real JT
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I’m not surprised by the significant number of fans still clinging to the hope that this group has one more run in them.
What does surprise me is that some of those same fans acknowledge our subpar play but don’t propose a path for the franchise’s future. This, on a team with aging veterans and a barren prospect pool. When others suggest trading veterans for picks they’re belittled. Who needs a late first round or second round pick anyway?
We do.
What does surprise me is that some of those same fans acknowledge our subpar play but don’t propose a path for the franchise’s future. This, on a team with aging veterans and a barren prospect pool. When others suggest trading veterans for picks they’re belittled. Who needs a late first round or second round pick anyway?
We do.
PK Cronin
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Who is clinging to the hope that they have another run in them? Lamoriello just traded for Horvat, he's not going to tear it down to the studs by trading everyone, he's also 80 years old, there is no rebuild coming. You'll see more trades like the Horvat one more than likely and he won't be trading veterans he wants to keep around.
Would Boychuk and Seidenberg be interested in coaching? They are both extremely likable and intelligent people and have a long relationship with the Isles team. I think if they move from Lambert, having those 2 behind the bench plus on PP specialist coach will real help this team.
The Real JT
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If we exclude the veterans that he wants to keep around we’re left with cap dumps that will cost us assets we might not have.
What’s left for Lou to trade that has any value? The other first round pick we have in 2023 or 2024? Dufour? Bolduc?
We had a nice run. It’s over. We don’t have to burn it down but we need a bit of a renovation. That starts by valuing you future picks and best prospects and not trading them away for a veteran that won’t get us to the promised land.
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Islanders have a 21% chance to make the playoffs and capitals are at 17% according to moneypuck. Islanders odds are better right now.
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I think it is better to take a step back this season rather than trying to salvage this season.
Come the deadline I think Lou moves Varlamov with 20 games left I think they can go with Sorokin and Schneider. They cannot afford varlamov next season - that money should go to upgrading F group. I doubt we see Mayfield dealt - I think it is more likely we see an extension similar to Clutterbuck, who was resigned just before the TDL.
If Ottawa Buffalo and Detroit continue to play at this level I can see Isles dropping to the 10 OA pick.
They could try to dangle that pick for Chychrun, DeBrincat, or Meier. isles would need more than the 10 OA pick to acquire Chychrun and a Meier/DeBrincat deal would mean moving out Bailey and one of Nelson/Palmieri.
If they resign Mayfield, THEN they move Bailey - somehow are left with like 3m in capspace - do they sign a vet top 6 on a 1 year deal for like 3m a season? Tatar? Nyquist? Kessel? Drouin? or grab someone like Garland or Hoffman who might be gotten for very little.
I don’t think they are signing Mayfield, he’s going to come close to four million a year I’d bet. Everyone thinks Lou won’t trade Mayfield or Varlamov but I’d disagree. I think Bailey could be a buyout guy this off-season.
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