Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[periferal]

I think a 1st and Wahlstrom is too high.

I wonder what the market will be - you are probably right - Wahlstrom probably doesn't do anything for them. 2024 1st +

Lou just gave up a 1st, Beau, and Raty for an unsigned Horvat. Armstrong has to be looking at that thinking that he's got at least as good of an asset, knows Lou is all in, and thus he's got to get at least that for Tarasenko.

Heck - I'll bet there are teams out there higher on Raty than Wahlstrom and thus a 1st + Wally might not do that much for a team with a top asset to trade.

 

[SI]

Lou just gave up a 1st, Beau, and Raty for an unsigned Horvat. Armstrong has to be looking at that thinking that he's got at least as good of an asset, knows Lou is all in, and thus he's got to get at least that for Tarasenko.

Heck - I'll bet there are teams out there higher on Raty than Wahlstrom and thus a 1st + Wally might not do that much for a team with a top asset to trade.

I guess they can see that deal and say we want that, but what is the market for Tank?

My guess it isn't at the same level.

Horvat is also a 27-year-old C versus a 31-year-old winger with a history of shoulder problems.

 

[SRBisles]

I have the weirdest hunch that Lou is after Erik Karlsson.

 

[periferal]

This is hyperbolic.

It's f***ing Lou, of course, there are coaches who would work for him. Trotz wasn't treated poorly.

You're right - It is hyperbolic.

That said the way Lou has been known to flip coaches I don't think it's not without merit to say that some out there would choose not to work with a GM like that.

I'd almost like to think that some coaches don't want to work under Lou (and that Trotz wanted to leave) because...

1) Hall of fame coaches who are getting an average lineup to back to back semifinal appearances should NOT be let go.​

2) If Lou had his pick of the litter for coaches this past offseason and his #1 choice was Lambert...Then he utterly failed at that part of his job.​

 

[GOLFWANG]

Lou is after Toews and Ryan O'Reilly we need all of the centers

all of themmmm

 

[periferal]

But that doesn't fit with his agenda!

Of course you won't take a breath and read my reply to SI where I own that I was being "hyperbolic" and color it in with further thoughts on the subject. You just have it out for me and will take any chance to swing, as opposed to just ignoring me and/or actually adding something to this thread.

If I have an "agenda" it would be for people to not be so triggered and actually digest posts instead of just trying to "get" somebody, so you definitely don't fit.

I guess they can see that deal and say we want that, but what is the market for Tank?

My guess it isn't at the same level.

Horvat is also a 27-year-old C versus a 31-year-old winger with a history of shoulder problems.

Very fair, but the market is very limited for guys who can score like Tarasenko can. There isn't a playoff contender that couldn't use him, and with Horvat off the market there have to be several teams in on Tarasenko so I'm betting the final price has to be 1st + good prospect (better than Wahlstrom) at least.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Does anyone here truly believe that Lou letting Trotz go was simply an old fashioned firing?

 

[BrockLobster]

Tarasenko is a left shot right wing, so hypothetically Horvat-Barzal-Taransenko could work if they are fine with Horvat not playing “down the middle” in the offensive zone but still taking faceoffs and doing the centerman d-zone work…

Bo barz tank. With brock. And dobs on the point. That PP gets me a little excited. They may even score a goal

My take is from the other side of the telescope...Given Lou's reputation and the fact he just got rid of a hall of fame coach, what even decently qualified coach is going to want to work for Lou?

Can we stop this narrative that trotz was fired? He clearly didnt wanna coach anymore.

 

[SI]

You're right - It is hyperbolic.

That said the way Lou has been known to flip coaches I don't think it's not without merit to say that some out there would choose not to work with a GM like that.

I'd almost like to think that some coaches don't want to work under Lou (and that Trotz wanted to leave) because...

1) Hall of fame coaches who are getting an average lineup to back to back semifinal appearances should NOT be let go.​

2) If Lou had his pick of the litter for coaches this past offseason and his #1 choice was Lambert...Then he utterly failed at that part of his job.​

This is all conjecture - you're making shit up.

Lou fired Larry Robinson after like 15 games and then rehired him years later.

You take Lou at his word - he wasn't going to resign Barry and he went with someone he thought was ready to take on the job - whether I agree with that or not is irrelevant. We will find out if Lane is or not, but I am not ready to say that after 50 games. Lane has the X's and O's, he has the fire and passion, let's see if he can get this team back track.

I have the weirdest hunch that Lou is after Erik Karlsson.

So, do I.

 

[BrockLobster]

I have the weirdest hunch that Lou is after Erik Karlsson.

If SJ retains 50% and takes bailey id listen....

 

[Dutch Frost]

Boudreau was given a bad hand, however,

Rutherford came out very critical of Boudreau for the lack of structure and poor preparation/execution in camp and he should have been. JR did not want to resign from Boudreau, but Boudreau had an opt-in clause in his contract and he took it. At times, you had critics and analysts watching Vancouver saying they couldn't even identify what defensive structure they were playing... they struggled big time with getting the puck out of their own end and transitioning the puck. Their play went from team to individual - players trying to do things on their own. Even the Miller smacking of the net, reeks of lack direction from the bench... Delia is supposed to go and if a career AHL player doesn't know he has to go, you'd think the staff should be calling him over to the bench - they don't, so he doesn't go and Miller loses it.

Lambert has had to deal with injuries and he is only 50 games into his tenure.
He is shown a more aggressive style, especially from his D in attacking in the neutral zone and not playing it safe. He certainly has made a mess of Maty's line, because he has not found the right partnership.

For those who are being critical of Lane - what is it specifically, I would love to hear the specific criticism. IN over his head - is too general and way too vague.

We went on how Trotz lost the room and burnt out the players and how Lane was the guy who loosened it up and made it fun. Well, he was Trotz assistant. He is in charge, 50 games as a head coach but Hes been in that room for years now. Injuries aside this team has no motivation to play. They look defeated after given up goals.
That is my criticism of Lambert, his job was to be Trotz light and let the guys play free and take chances.

Steve Stirling took over for Laviolette (SAME TEAM) and got 91 points out of them. If we dont make the playoffs, no way this guy deserves to come back.

 

[periferal]

This is all conjecture - you're making shit up.

Lou fired Larry Robinson after like 15 games and then rehired him years later.

You take Lou at his word - he wasn't going to resign Barry and he went with someone he thought was ready to take on the job - whether I agree with that or not is irrelevant. We will find out if Lane is or not, but I am not ready to say that after 50 games. Lane has the X's and O's, he has the fire and passion, let's see if he can get this team back track.

It's "Conjecture" to say that Lou has "flipped" coaches more than most any other GM? The fact that Robinson was hired back literally supports that. Below is literally "shit" NOT made up...

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1989 - Fires Jim Schoenfeld less than a year from Devils being in game 7 of the conference finals.​

2000 - Fired Robbie Ftorek with 8 games to go in season (Interim Larry Robinson wins Stanley Cup)​

2007 - Fired Claude Julien with days to go in the season (Devils were in 1st place) and appoints himself (Devils win 1 round)​

2014 - Fires Peter DeBoer, appoints himself, with Stevens/Oates, to be sort of a "triumvirate" of interim head coaches​

That's only some of the coaching moves Lou has made. Can you name another GM that fired even one, much less 2 coaches, on the eve of the playoffs...?

You're not sure if Lambert is a good coach? Cool. Gather the info you need, but the info has been gathered already that Lou literally has a vast history of moving on from many coaches rather easily.

 

[MJF]

Does anyone here truly believe that Lou letting Trotz go was simply an old fashioned firing?

I do.

I’m not looking for hidden motives, mercy firings, etc. Lou would fire his mother if he thought it was the right move.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I do.

I’m not looking for hidden motives, mercy firings, etc. Lou would fire his mother if he thought it was the right move.

And just coincidence that Trotz is taking a year off?

 

[Chardo]

Does anyone here truly believe that Lou letting Trotz go was simply an old fashioned firing?

There have been 10 coaches hired since. Including at least 4 cup contenders. If Trotz was just an old fashioned firing, he would have a job today.

Side note: think about that. One third of the league changed coaches since May.

 

[xECK29x]

It's "Conjecture" to say that Lou has "flipped" coaches more than most any other GM? The fact that Robinson was hired back literally supports that. Below is literally "shit" NOT made up...

​

1989 - Fires Jim Schoenfeld less than a year from Devils being in game 7 of the conference finals.​

2000 - Fired Robbie Ftorek with 8 games to go in season (Interim Larry Robinson wins Stanley Cup)​

2007 - Fired Claude Julien with days to go in the season (Devils were in 1st place) and appoints himself (Devils win 1 round)​

2014 - Fires Peter DeBoer, appoints himself, with Stevens/Oates, to be sort of a "triumvirate" of interim head coaches​

That's only some of the coaching moves Lou has made. Can you name another GM that fired even one, much less 2 coaches, on the eve of the playoffs...?

You're not sure if Lambert is a good coach? Cool. Gather the info you need, but the info has been gathered already that Lou literally has a vast history of moving on from many coaches rather easily.

And what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? Go post this in the Lambert thread or something. This is OT and continuing to post things which are OT will be considered spam.

 

[JianYang]

I have the weirdest hunch that Lou is after Erik Karlsson.

Don't think he meets Lou's facial requirements.

 

[MJF]

And just coincidence that Trotz is taking a year off?

He’s getting paid. He can pick and choose the job he wants.

 

[seafoam]

The nickname ‘Tank’ really holds true…

 

[JRD76]

The nickname ‘Tank’ really holds true…

Funny you posted this as I was just noticing today he is 6'1 228lbs. Didn't realize he was that heavy

 

[doublechili]

As for Pageau...You don't get a deal fully negotiated and filed like 2-3 hours after acquiring a player without there being some negotiations having been done prior. Not to mention the willingness of the player to resign with a brand new team before his plane even touched down in New York.

And for those who believe that Lou didn't negotiate with Pageau's agent for even a second prior to acquiring him, yet still inked him in a only a few hours...Then why isn't Horvat resigned already? Unless maybe he doesn't want to sign here.

I don't doubt there may have been negotiations beforehand (we don't know for sure), but it's certainly possible to agree on a deal in a few hours and then announce it.

"What is your client looking for?"
"Something like 6 years at $5 million per."
"Okay."

That didn't take long. You can announce you agreed on a deal without actually signing/filing it officially.

As for Horvat, that's why I mentioned that the JGP deal was announced when Lou was done for the day, and therefore that season. He had no reason not to announce it. At this time, we're in "cone of silence" time where Lou doesn't like to give out info. So who knows? Maybe they've already agreed in principle and it'll be announced in a month.

 

[Throttle]

I don't doubt there may have been negotiations beforehand (we don't know for sure), but it's certainly possible to agree on a deal in a few hours and then announce it.

"What is your client looking for?"
"Something like 6 years at $5 million per."
"Okay."

That didn't take long. You can announce you agreed on a deal without actually signing/filing it officially.

As for Horvat, that's why I mentioned that the JGP deal was announced when Lou was done for the day, and therefore that season. He had no reason not to announce it. At this time, we're in "cone of silence" time where Lou doesn't like to give out info. So who knows? Maybe they've already agreed in principle and it'll be announced in a month.

Some guys just don’t want to deal with it. They work with their agent on the parameters of a deal while UFA to be. A GM meets them, deal done. A ton of guys just want to play and let someone else make the decision for them.

 

[MJF]

The nickname ‘Tank’ really holds true…

Jeez. Has he been hanging out with Pat Maroon?

 

[seafoam]

I think Lou's one flaw is that he's not willing to invest in youth and it obsessed with prioritizing the "net out" apporach to building a team.

If he had selected Horvat when he was the NJD GM, how differently would that team have turned out I wonder...?

 

[seafoam]

Josh Anderson is back in the trade rumors, can we at least all agree that we are happy Lou traded for Horvat over that overpaid guy? Or am I speaking too soon?

Horvat-Barzal-Anderson first line anyone?!?