Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[DerekKingSnipes]

What do people think the price for Bertuzzi will be? And what do you think his contract looks like? 5x5? Wahlstrom for Bertuzzi? Not enough?

Considering strome just signed for 5x5 and bertuzzi is better player I’m assuming Bertuzzi is going to get at least that much.

 

[WangMustGo]

What do people think the price for Bertuzzi will be? And what do you think his contract looks like? 5x5? Wahlstrom for Bertuzzi? Not enough?

Does Lou still have a vaccine mandate? As far as I know Brrtuzzi never got vaccinated.

 

[seafoam]

Tarasenko is a left shot right wing, so hypothetically Horvat-Barzal-Taransenko could work if they are fine with Horvat not playing “down the middle” in the offensive zone but still taking faceoffs and doing the centerman d-zone work…

Does Lou still have a vaccine mandate? As far as I know Brrtuzzi never got vaccinated.

Yeah I think that’sna red flag for Lou.

 

[doublechili]

And those contracts discussions were had PRIOR to the trade being finalized with Ottawa.

I've never seen anything official stating they negotiated before the trade. Not sure if you have anything or are just assuming. But, if we're assuming, then we can also assume it may have happened with Horvat (directly, or through back channels). The JGP signing was announced when Lou was done for the day (either after, or just before, the TDL passed).

 

[NC 1972]

Assuming Horvat centers Barzal they need a winger for them. I don’t think it needs to be star, Barbashev is interesting for that, I’d imagine Bertuzzi also would be interesting there. Maybe a guy with a little edge to his game is right for that spot. I’m ok with Holmstrom with Pageau and Parise and to me Fasching can fit with Cizikas and Martin. I think they should also look for left shot defenseman assuming they aren’t going to trade Mayfield.


Isles probably know the parameters of what Horvat is looking for, it’s really about finalizing other things like no trades or no movements and how much cash is up front, later on etc.

Yes the NYI may have an Idea of what he wants , may being the operative word here. But what if he wants more? Now your up against it, the demands could be problematic to your strategy. Or maybe LI isn't where he wants to finish his career, he can call his shot (for the first time) better opportunity for a cup , better city, school system teammates whatever. And in all likelihood there's a gentleman's agreement and hopefully Lou has a plan B . But the apprehension comes from traveling this road in the past as previously mentioned, Smyth , Vanek , Muller this is a genuine concerns .

 

[Throttle]

Considering strome just signed for 5x5 and bertuzzi is better player I’m assuming Bertuzzi is going to get at least that much.

If the Isles sign him, then he can pull out a #44 fisherman wave jersey - original. Even better, he does a fan swap in warms ups with the current fisherman with a fan wearing their original fisherman with Bertuzzi on it. Skates the warmups with the original.

That would be hilarious.

 

[Dutch Frost]

Get Tarashenko! Fire Lambert, hire Bruce Budreau

 

[periferal]

The price for Barbashev? A 2nd and Ishkahov? Barbashev next contract looks like 4/4.25- similar to Mihkeyev. I think I’d rather use assets to land Tank. I wonder if Wahlstrom and a 2nd gets it done?

I don't think a 2nd and Wahlstrom gets Tarasenko. I think a 1st and Wahlstrom would, but wouldn't be surprised if they wanted something else (especially since people know Lou overpays).

 

[SI]

Sure, but he elected sign before being a UFA and his agent advised him to sign now since there was no cap space left - he was gonna get squeezed.

Yes, but he wasn't an RFA to be - he was a UFA, who signed a year before it expired.

 

[periferal]

What do people think the price for Bertuzzi will be? And what do you think his contract looks like? 5x5? Wahlstrom for Bertuzzi? Not enough?

I literally wish there was a fail-safe in place that would restrict Lou from going after players whose contracts fall in the 5-7M range. We have enough Baileys, Lees, Palmieris, Pageaus, and Beauvilliers (RIP)...

What we should be going after are the Horvats, Tarasenkos, Chychruns, or better.

 

[SI]

Get Tarashenko! Fire Lambert, hire Bruce Budreau

NO!!!!!!!

 

[Dutch Frost]

NO!!!!!!!

YES!!!!

 

[periferal]

I've never seen anything official stating they negotiated before the trade. Not sure if you have anything or are just assuming. But, if we're assuming, then we can also assume it may have happened with Horvat (directly, or through back channels). The JGP signing was announced when Lou was done for the day (either after, or just before, the TDL passed).

As for Pageau...You don't get a deal fully negotiated and filed like 2-3 hours after acquiring a player without there being some negotiations having been done prior. Not to mention the willingness of the player to resign with a brand new team before his plane even touched down in New York.

And for those who believe that Lou didn't negotiate with Pageau's agent for even a second prior to acquiring him, yet still inked him in a only a few hours...Then why isn't Horvat resigned already? Unless maybe he doesn't want to sign here.

Get Tarashenko! Fire Lambert, hire Bruce Budreau

I was sporting a full 3 inches until I saw the letter "B."


That said if the only way to get rid of Lambert is to hire Budreau then I make that move.


Lambert is an anchor.

 

[SRBisles]

And for those who believe that Lou didn't negotiate with Pageau's agent for even a second prior to acquiring him, yet still inked him in a only a few hours...Then why isn't Horvat resigned already? Unless maybe he doesn't want to sign here.

1. According to Dreger, even Horvat's agent was completely caught off guard by the trade, so there couldn't have been any negotiations prior.

2. When the trade was announced Horvat was in Disney World with his family. Not exactly an ideal time to negotiate a life altering contract.

3. Pageau likely signed so quickly because Lou offered more than he was going to get on the open market. That probably won't be the case with Horvat as I could see plenty of teams willing to give him 8M+.

 

[Dutch Frost]

As for Pageau...You don't get a deal fully negotiated and filed like 2-3 hours after acquiring a player without there being some negotiations having been done prior. Not to mention the willingness of the player to resign with a brand new team before his plane even touched down in New York.

And for those who believe that Lou didn't negotiate with Pageau's agent for even a second prior to acquiring him, yet still inked him in a only a few hours...Then why isn't Horvat resigned already? Unless maybe he doesn't want to sign here.




I was sporting a full 3 inches until I saw the letter "B."


That said if the only way to get rid of Lambert is to hire Budreau then I make that move.


Lambert is an anchor.

Bruce is the best coach out there that is available. No one wants Torts lol. I think Lane is in over his head and Lou needs to dump him asap. I dont know how close Babcock and Lou still are but even so I wasnt impressed with babcock in Toronto at all and that RedWings team was stacked. I doubt they ever really needed him. Some Teams are like that, we dont really need coaches. Joel Quenville I would love to see back but I dont think his time is up yet in the NHL penalty box for Blackhawks incident.

Budreau got a bad hand in Vancouver, I dont know if him and Hovart get along but Id take him over Lambert anyday.

 

[BarzyWally33]

This GM has balls for a team with a less than 20 percent chance to make the playoffs. I get you all love Horvat, and so do I, but this team as is, is still missing the playoffs. I want to see the forest through the trees here but what am I missing? This team not only has to do a complete 180 on the ice, but win no less than close to 70 percent of the games remaining. Im a fan here like all of you but how is this team going to beat out the 4-5 other teams for one of those last spots?

 

[periferal]

1. According to Dreger, even Horvat's agent was completely caught off guard by the trade, so there couldn't have been any negotiations prior.

2. When the trade was announced Horvat was in Disney World with his family. Not exactly an ideal time to negotiate a life altering contract.

3. Pageau likely signed so quickly because Lou offered more than he was going to get on the open market.

We'll see on Horvat. Not counting chickens one way or the other on that.

As for Pageau...We'll never know how much he gets on the open market, but I think the reason he "signed so quickly" is because Lou/his agent were having conversations prior to the trade being finalized.

...And I certainly hope this is the case...Because if Lou was willing to give up a 1st and 2nd for an UNSIGNED 3rd line player then I'd want him gone more than I do already.

Bruce is the best coach out there that is available. No one wants Torts lol. I think Lane is in over his head and Lou needs to dump him asap. I dont know how close Babcock and Lou still are but even so I wasnt impressed with babcock in Toronto at all and that RedWings team was stacked. I doubt they ever really needed him. Some Teams are like that, we dont really need coaches. Joel Quenville I would love to see back but I dont think his time is up yet in the NHL penalty box for Blackhawks incident.

Budreau got a bad hand in Vancouver, I dont know if him and Hovart get along but Id take him over Lambert anyday.

I feel you man. Agree with most of this.

My take is from the other side of the telescope...Given Lou's reputation and the fact he just got rid of a hall of fame coach, what even decently qualified coach is going to want to work for Lou?

 

[BarzyWally33]

Bruce is the best coach out there that is available. No one wants Torts lol. I think Lane is in over his head and Lou needs to dump him asap. I dont know how close Babcock and Lou still are but even so I wasnt impressed with babcock in Toronto at all and that RedWings team was stacked. I doubt they ever really needed him. Some Teams are like that, we dont really need coaches. Joel Quenville I would love to see back but I dont think his time is up yet in the NHL penalty box for Blackhawks incident.

Budreau got a bad hand in Vancouver, I dont know if him and Hovart get along but Id take him over Lambert anyday.

I think the roster assembled by the GM would have difficulty playing for any of these coaches. Bruce loves to run and gun, he doesn’t have that kind of roster here.

 

[Dutch Frost]

I feel you man. Agree with most of this.

My take is from the other side of the telescope...Given Lou's reputation and the fact he just got rid of a hall of fame coach, what even decently qualified coach is going to want to work for Lou?

one who is unemployed and needs the work and loves the game. Option 2 is Alain Vigneault but I dont want him at all.

 

[SI]

I don't think a 2nd and Wahlstrom gets Tarasenko. I think a 1st and Wahlstrom would, but wouldn't be surprised if they wanted something else (especially since people know Lou overpays).

I think a 1st and Wahlstrom is too high.

I wonder what the market will be - you are probably right - Wahlstrom probably doesn't do anything for them. 2024 1st +

YES!!!!

Welcome to Shinny Hockey - no structure.

 

[SI]

Bruce is the best coach out there that is available. No one wants Torts lol. I think Lane is in over his head and Lou needs to dump him asap. I dont know how close Babcock and Lou still are but even so I wasnt impressed with babcock in Toronto at all and that RedWings team was stacked. I doubt they ever really needed him. Some Teams are like that, we dont really need coaches. Joel Quenville I would love to see back but I dont think his time is up yet in the NHL penalty box for Blackhawks incident.

Budreau got a bad hand in Vancouver, I dont know if him and Hovart get along but Id take him over Lambert anyday.

Boudreau was given a bad hand, however,

Rutherford came out very critical of Boudreau for the lack of structure and poor preparation/execution in camp and he should have been. JR did not want to resign from Boudreau, but Boudreau had an opt-in clause in his contract and he took it. At times, you had critics and analysts watching Vancouver saying they couldn't even identify what defensive structure they were playing... they struggled big time with getting the puck out of their own end and transitioning the puck. Their play went from team to individual - players trying to do things on their own. Even the Miller smacking of the net, reeks of lack direction from the bench... Delia is supposed to go and if a career AHL player doesn't know he has to go, you'd think the staff should be calling him over to the bench - they don't, so he doesn't go and Miller loses it.

Lambert has had to deal with injuries and he is only 50 games into his tenure.
He is shown a more aggressive style, especially from his D in attacking in the neutral zone and not playing it safe. He certainly has made a mess of Maty's line, because he has not found the right partnership.

For those who are being critical of Lane - what is it specifically, I would love to hear the specific criticism. IN over his head - is too general and way too vague.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

My take is from the other side of the telescope...Given Lou's reputation and the fact he just got rid of a hall of fame coach, what even decently qualified coach is going to want to work for Lou?

Lou's reputation is pretty stellar around the league. Look how many hall of fame coaches came to work for him. A bunch of them more than once! Even after he fired them! If a coach is looking for a job, every single one of them would take Lou's phone call.

 

[SI]

We'll see on Horvat. Not counting chickens one way or the other on that.

As for Pageau...We'll never know how much he gets on the open market, but I think the reason he "signed so quickly" is because Lou/his agent were having conversations prior to the trade being finalized.

...And I certainly hope this is the case...Because if Lou was willing to give up a 1st and 2nd for an UNSIGNED 3rd line player then I'd want him gone more than I do already.





I feel you man. Agree with most of this.

My take is from the other side of the telescope...Given Lou's reputation and the fact he just got rid of a hall of fame coach, what even decently qualified coach is going to want to work for Lou?

This is hyperbolic.

It's f***ing Lou, of course, there are coaches who would work for him. Trotz wasn't treated poorly.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Boudreau was given a bad hand, however,

Rutherford came out very critical of Boudreau for the lack of structure and poor preparation/execution in camp and he should have been. JR did not want to resign from Boudreau, but Boudreau had an opt-in clause in his contract and he took it.

Lambert has had to deal with injuries and he is only 50 games into his tenure.

For those who are being critical of Lane - what is it specifically, I would love to hear the specific criticism. IN over his head - is too general and way too vague.

Probably the same people who were praising him (and bashing Trotz saying he lost the room) when Lane assumed HC duties for a few games last year. And the same people who will lament that he's gone if he's fired and has success elsewhere...

This is hyperbolic.

It's f***ing Lou, of course, there are coaches who would work for him. Trotz wasn't treated poorly.

Yeah that is just bananas. No one wants to work for Lou... Ummm, ya sure.

 

[xECK29x]

This is hyperbolic.

It's f***ing Lou, of course, there are coaches who would work for him. Trotz wasn't treated poorly.

But that doesn't fit with his agenda!