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BrockLobster

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Anyone think we can return the devils favor and give them some forward depth with kyle Palmieri? The contract may be a deterrent...

This is the other elephant in the room with Lou: He managed free agency like it was 2004. we only saw the Lee and Varlamov deals in 2019 because of the panarin deal blowing up in our face.
At least lee contributes on occasion.

There was nothing wrong w the varly deal
 

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Anyone think we can return the devils favor and give them some forward depth with kyle Palmieri? The contract may be a deterrent...


At least lee contributes on occasion.

There was nothing wrong w the varly deal
nothing wrong with either, i was saying that he panicked and had to quickly get those done. in comparison, he didn't do anything in 2020 until it was around october, because he was too reluctant to try and find a fair deal for Toews, and we were stuck trying to find a way to shed Leddy/Komarov/etc. unfortunate circumstances.
 

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nothing wrong with either, i was saying that he panicked and had to quickly get those done. in comparison, he didn't do anything in 2020 until it was around october, because he was too reluctant to try and find a fair deal for Toews, and we were stuck trying to find a way to shed Leddy/Komarov/etc. unfortunate circumstances.
Ok...agree.
 

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it's an interesting debate. i see the day, sooner rather than later, with the NHL embracing gambling sites and sponsorship to the point where the sens had "bet99" on their helmets promoting Canada's online sports betting and casino and TSN showing no less than 10 commercials for bet365, a different online sportsbook/casino last night, that the league will give the public what they want and be more forthcoming. ....not for the fans but for the bettors!
Agreed if you’re championing sports betting, to which the league probably receives some form of payment, then injury disclosure is a must. That’s the reason football is so forthcoming with this information .
 
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This is the other elephant in the room with Lou: He managed free agency like it was 2004. we only saw the Lee and Varlamov deals in 2019 because of the panarin deal blowing up in our face.
What the heck does Varlamov have to do with Panarin? Varlamov happened because we needed a starting goaltender. We were going to pay someone, and it was either going to be Lehner or him. The Sorokin connection should also be noted.
 
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like with everything he's said about the islanders, they don't come true.


Feels like IncarceratedBob is friends with a long-time employee of the Isles. Someone who is in the front office, but not exactly in the room where decisions are ultimately made. Thus he has some information that kind of rings true, but doesn't necessarily overlap with what actually happens.
 
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feels like IB has said this the past 4 years. if lamoriello sees more uninspiring play, i would 100% have to see a trade to a team like colorado or dallas for Nelson. feels like those two are the only ones in play for him if they can't get someone like Monahan/Horvat
IB is a joke. Remember when he was convinced we were getting Stamkos? He tweets vague garbage that could potentially be right, and if it’s wrong he’ll make a bunch of excuses.
 

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IB is a joke. Remember when he was convinced we were getting Stamkos? He tweets vague garbage that could potentially be right, and if it’s wrong he’ll make a bunch of excuses.
And then he blocks you because you said something else! Great person!
 

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Franchises typically get stale over a number of years. What worked in year one and two doesn’t pan out several years later. Maybe the league catches up to you or maybe the players stop buying in.
We have 7 players who have been here since 2013-14. Sometimes a group gets too comfortable with themselves.
 
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We have 7 players who have been here since 2013-14. Sometimes a group gets too comfortable with themselves.
Permission to pilfer that line to use at the next in-law gathering?

Feels like IncarceratedBob is friends with a long-time employee of the Isles. Someone who is in the front office, but not exactly in the room where decisions are ultimately made. Thus he has some information that kind of rings true, but doesn't necessarily overlap with what actually happens.
So those clues indicate he may be the guy who comes in and tosses out the trash after everyone leaves
 

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nothing wrong with either, i was saying that he panicked and had to quickly get those done. in comparison, he didn't do anything in 2020 until it was around october, because he was too reluctant to try and find a fair deal for Toews, and we were stuck trying to find a way to shed Leddy/Komarov/etc. unfortunate circumstances.
CAP - Covid situation... not sure what you are remembering.
do you forget that the season ended late in 2020, right? Toews deal happened quickly after the season concluded and the choice was clearly Leddy staying put. There was no deal for Leo, no fault on Lou.

Be critical for trading Toews, sure. But inactivity in 2020, has more to do with the financial landscape post covid.
 

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Must win tomorrow night before the all star break.

Win or Lose, there will be 30 games left to the end of the season.
They will have to play over 600 hockey to get themselves back into it.
Possible, but not likely.

I do not believe Lou will make a deal for the short term. If he makes a deal it will be for tomorrow and today, like a trade for Meier. IMO, he should move Mayfield... at 1.45 AAV, he should command a 1st+, but II believe Lou resigns Mayfield as he sees him as a core piece.

It shouldn't stop Lou from moving Varlamov... who I believe can help replenish some draft picks.

Parise could be moved, but it should be Zach's decision.

Bailey and Others are offseason moves... if at all.
 

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Varly and Mayfield could absolutely be dealt for like a 2nd round pick each (maybe Mayfield gets a drop more). The other assets...Little/no chance you could move them, even with salary retention.

So based on your setup...You obviously think Lou should be gone since Lou has NEVER traded a single roster player from the Isles unless he was forced to. So I don't think he's going to dump any players. In fact I'm scared (terrified) if we're within like 6-7 points of a playoff spot he might try to ADD at the deadline. 80 year old GMs don't do rebuilds, and they especially don't do them when every single move and comment he's made since taking over has been to try to win now.
My thoughts exactly. If they lose, then all the better. No point in going for a big splash only to have that one backfire as well. I really hope the owners see what's written on the wall and instructs Lou to sell if they are more than a point or two behind at the deadline.
 
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I think the only thing that matters is that Lou has never traded away a player unless the cap or expansion draft forced him to. Thus that's the probably kind of GMing we can count on going forward.
The thing that gets me about Lou’s style as GM now , is he probably did see value in the roster he inherited and Trotz was a good addition to his plan but as with most plans they need to be revised sometimes and he’s been slow to recognize or maybe obstinate in recognizing which in my opinion has hurt us dearly.
 
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The thing that gets me about Lou’s style as GM now , is he probably did see value in the roster he inherited and Trotz was a good addition to his plan but as with most plans they need to be revised sometimes and he’s been slow to recognize or maybe obstinate in recognizing which in my opinion has hurt us dearly.
He values chemistry and the “room” which is very important and this team has or had but the lack of talent has caught up to them. Injuries a bit hurt this team cause when it’s good it needs all 20 guys to contribute and the guys who entered for the injuries were below par players and have brought lineup down to where I believe they work hard most nights but they just can’t score when they need one. Even last night wings were pretty bad but we only managed two goals which luckily was enough. It’s weird spot cause if they can win tonight they go into break still in the mix. I’m of the opinion that our first is available if we can get a legit offensive winger who is young like a Meier. The pick does us no good probably for two or three years by then Sorokin is on the other side of 30 if he even wants to stay behind his current deal. They need to try and win now because of the presence of Sorokin.
 

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nothing wrong with either, i was saying that he panicked and had to quickly get those done. in comparison, he didn't do anything in 2020 until it was around october, because he was too reluctant to try and find a fair deal for Toews, and we were stuck trying to find a way to shed Leddy/Komarov/etc. unfortunate circumstances.
Toews was always ok but he is also pumped up a bit with team he is on, Leddy was always more important and was way more in trusted role under Trotz. I think isles should have done more to keep Leddy and if you point to one guy leaving who significantly hurt it was Leddy.
 

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Must win tomorrow night before the all star break.

Win or Lose, there will be 30 games left to the end of the season.
They will have to play over 600 hockey to get themselves back into it.
Possible, but not likely.

I do not believe Lou will make a deal for the short term. If he makes a deal it will be for tomorrow and today, like a trade for Meier. IMO, he should move Mayfield... at 1.45 AAV, he should command a 1st+, but II believe Lou resigns Mayfield as he sees him as a core piece.

It shouldn't stop Lou from moving Varlamov... who I believe can help replenish some draft picks.

Parise could be moved, but it should be Zach's decision.

Bailey and Others are offseason moves... if at all.
Parise should pick where he goes, he deserves that and I think Lou probably will approach it that way. Varly is interesting, where does he go where he could be the guy(Buffalo?). But does he want to go to Buffalo or would he take pay cut and stay, is he happy now as backup or does he want to be number 1 again is really what determines if he is traded or not I think. I think isles trade Mayfield either way even if they are in it still, I don’t think we are going to pay him what market will and if isles are in it still they could trade for someone else to fill the need for rest of year.
 

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He values chemistry and the “room” which is very important and this team has or had but the lack of talent has caught up to them. Injuries a bit hurt this team cause when it’s good it needs all 20 guys to contribute and the guys who entered for the injuries were below par players and have brought lineup down to where I believe they work hard most nights but they just can’t score when they need one. Even last night wings were pretty bad but we only managed two goals which luckily was enough. It’s weird spot cause if they can win tonight they go into break still in the mix. I’m of the opinion that our first is available if we can get a legit offensive winger who is young like a Meier. The pick does us no good probably for two or three years by then Sorokin is on the other side of 30 if he even wants to stay behind his current deal. They need to try and win now because of the presence of Sorokin.
Speaking as a fan that’s always worried about signing aging players, Sorokin’s age is a nonfactor for me in regards to how we approach the TDL.

Was I worried about signing Lee, Palmieri, Martin, Clutter and Cizikas? Definitely.

With that being said, if our GM can sign Sorokin long term then it should be done without hesitation. He’s the jewel of this franchise.

I’d also love Meier on this team but I’m petrified as to how much it would take to acquire him. I also think other teams would outbid us. At the end of the day I would rather accept reality and stop trying to get better at the TDL.

We need to rebuild, retool or whatever we want to call it.
 

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Any opinions on Nick Schmaltz of AZ? I don't really know his game and he doesn't seem like a needle-mover (similar to guys we already have). I only mention him because I could see AZ looking to move his contract because he's owed lots more actual money than his cap hit. If they perceive him as negative value as a result, could he be a piece of a Chychrun trade and a way of moving a couple of our contracts (Bailey+)?
 

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Any opinions on Nick Schmaltz of AZ? I don't really know his game and he doesn't seem like a needle-mover (similar to guys we already have). I only mention him because I could see AZ looking to move his contract because he's owed lots more actual money than his cap hit. If they perceive him as negative value as a result, could he be a piece of a Chychrun trade and a way of moving a couple of our contracts (Bailey+)?

I dont see the point Schmaltz is more of what we already have, adding Chychrun and we are going to have to give up what little farm we have left, it will help to keep us in not good enough for the playoffs, but too good for a top 5 pick territory.
 

Mike C

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Any opinions on Nick Schmaltz of AZ? I don't really know his game and he doesn't seem like a needle-mover (similar to guys we already have). I only mention him because I could see AZ looking to move his contract because he's owed lots more actual money than his cap hit. If they perceive him as negative value as a result, could he be a piece of a Chychrun trade and a way of moving a couple of our contracts (Bailey+)?
Being an old timer, every time I hear his name I think about one of my favorites players to watch, Bobby Schmautz. Played in 3 decades. Has as many playoff goals in a Bruin uni as number 4

As far as Nick goes, take him or leave him
 

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Toews was always ok but he is also pumped up a bit with team he is on, Leddy was always more important and was way more in trusted role under Trotz. I think isles should have done more to keep Leddy and if you point to one guy leaving who significantly hurt it was Leddy.
Leddy post Toews was awful. Props to him for getting a bag even after that horrible series against Colorado.
 
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