Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[saintunspecified]

If there is a path to remain competitive into next season and the cap is raised on the lower end (1MM), I could see a Bailey buyout rather than losing an asset to move him this summer.

23-24: $2,333,333 Savings
24-25: $1,166,667 Dead cap (the year the cap is scheduled to jump several million).

I don't think it makes any sense to do that, because I really don't see anyone who moves the needle that is available, and likely to come to NYI. Better to retain on Nelson or Pageau, whose value would jump with retention for contending teams than buy out Bailey.

 

[SCMURRAY]

Time to kept the picks. Move expiring contracts. Dont rebuild but stock some draft picks

 

[Mike C]

Raise your hand if you wish the Isles drafted Kyle Connor over ice capades?

but then your postings wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. i'm glad it worked out this way!!

 

[SI]

IMO, the market maybe flooded, so the price for Mayfield may not be there, but it should not stop Lou from moving Varly and Parise for picks.

mayfield will be resigned.

A deal for Meier is for today and tomorrow.

If there is a path to remain competitive into next season and the cap is raised on the lower end (1MM), I could see a Bailey buyout rather than losing an asset to move him this summer.

23-24: $2,333,333 Savings
24-25: $1,166,667 Dead cap (the year the cap is scheduled to jump several million).

I’d rather trade Bailey for another contract than buy him out… like Mrazek and then buy him out.

I think Chicago would make that deal - Mrazek is owed 4.4 in actual $ vs. Bailey’s 3.5. hawks will need to get to the floor

 

[JJ18Sniper]

IMO, the market maybe flooded, so the price for Mayfield may not be there, but it should not stop Lou from moving Varly and Parise for picks.

mayfield will be resigned.

A deal for Meier is for today and tomorrow.

I’d rather trade Bailey for another contract than buy him out… like Mrazek and then buy him out.

I think Chicago would make that deal - Mrazek is owed 4.4 in actual $ vs. Bailey’s 3.5. hawks will need to get to the floor

Mrazek is interesting because the buyout results are similar.
$600k additional cap savings vs. Bailey buyout in 23-24
$300k more dead cap than Bailey would be in 24-25

Mrzaek: as per CapFriendly:
23-24: $2,933,333 savings
24-25 $1,466,667 dead cap

 

[ekill08x]

IMO, the market maybe flooded, so the price for Mayfield may not be there, but it should not stop Lou from moving Varly and Parise for picks.

mayfield will be resigned.

A deal for Meier is for today and tomorrow.

I’d rather trade Bailey for another contract than buy him out… like Mrazek and then buy him out.

I think Chicago would make that deal - Mrazek is owed 4.4 in actual $ vs. Bailey’s 3.5. hawks will need to get to the floor

100% agree. I would still aggressively try and get Timo simply because we have very little impact players on this team and hes young.

That being said you have to try and unload everything you possibly can get value you for. Varly and Parise as you stated but I still think if you can land a 1 for Mayfield you do it and see if he wants to come back in the offseason.

It's just time to start getting some new blood in here. Group has been together for too long and our window has closed. It was a good run with Trotz and they overachieved with heart and out worked everyone, but the talent simply isn't there. Even Barzal has glaring weaknesses to his game and hes by far the most talented player we have by a long shot.

They need to blow it up in the offseason. Lou has run his course. Thanks for Trotz and helping to get the building completed but it is time for big changes. A new younger (not hard) GM with a more progressive vision and you have to let that man bring in his own coach. I don't blame this on Lane but it's clearly not working at all. This is too reminiscent of Capuano coached teams.

 

[SI]

100% agree. I would still aggressively try and get Timo simply because we have very little impact players on this team and hes young.

That being said you have to try and unload everything you possibly can get value you for. Varly and Parise as you stated but I still think if you can land a 1 for Mayfield you do it and see if he wants to come back in the offseason.

It's just time to start getting some new blood in here. Group has been together for too long and our window has closed. It was a good run with Trotz and they overachieved with heart and out worked everyone, but the talent simply isn't there. Even Barzal has glaring weaknesses to his game and hes by far the most talented player we have by a long shot.

They need to blow it up in the offseason. Lou has run his course. Thanks for Trotz and helping to get the building completed but it is time for big changes. A new younger (not hard) GM with a more progressive vision and you have to let that man bring in his own coach. I don't blame this on Lane but it's clearly not working at all. This is too reminiscent of Capuano coached teams.

I hope you are right about the market for Mayfield. If you can get a package similar to Chiarot or Savard - u have to do it.

I do not believe you need to blow it up- simply find ways to exile Bailey and Palmieri.
I think there are other options - Little’s contract is a way - grabbing a lesser player making $ - like a Bailey for Little or Dickinson (and buyout) type of move.

 

[Lek]

Past the obvious, the lack currently of bodies to put in the ice, why not put Bailey down to the AHL. If he is not going to be a piece moving into next year and will likely return little as most sepculate, what would the cap savings be in doing so having him in the AHL, or losing him to a claim? Would it be enough to justify doing so?

 

[Osakahaus]

I don't think the Romanov move was bad, mostly because the draft seemed even more of a crap shoot than usual, and it addressed a clear need with youth. The only prospect I'd clearly say "I'd like them" that we might have drafted are Snuggerud. I think it was made clear, at the time, that NYI were certain that everyone they were excited to draft were certain to be taken by their pick. (My guess is NYI would have picked Kasper, Korchinski, or Savoie if they were going to be available.)

my theory is that the islanders wanted one of the defensemen in Korchinski or Mintyukov, but didn't like anyone else. however, Liam Bischel is literally in the mold of an Adam Pelech. The fact that the isles traded that pick for Romanov is bad asset management. you needed talent badly and thats what you do?

Past the obvious, the lack currently of bodies to put in the ice, why not put Bailey down to the AHL. If he is not going to be a piece moving into next year and will likely return little as most sepculate, what would the cap savings be in doing so having him in the AHL, or losing him to a claim? Would it be enough to justify doing so?

pointing out the obvious at this point doesn't happen. Bailey has been a passenger for so many games that frankly i'm surprised he hasn't been a scratch more often.

 

[doublechili]

I would still aggressively try and get Timo simply because we have very little impact players on this team and hes young.

If you want Timo, you might find this interesting (if you didn't already know):

"He is being paid $10 million in salary this season, which means his qualifying offer for next year as a restricted free agent is also $10 million. In other words, if the acquiring team does not offer Meier a one-year, $10 million deal (or negotiate another acceptable long-term deal that he signs), he will automatically hit the market and become an unrestricted free agent."

Seravalli guesses that SJ's return will be less than what CHI got for Debrincat, FWIW.

Sharks’ Timo Meier won’t come cheap at the Trade Deadline, but he’s worth it

With his goal scoring upside and play driving ability, he’s worth the pricey AAV and massive qualifying offer for a...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[The Real JT]

If you want Timo, you might find this interesting (if you didn't already know):

"He is being paid $10 million in salary this season, which means his qualifying offer for next year as a restricted free agent is also $10 million. In other words, if the acquiring team does not offer Meier a one-year, $10 million deal (or negotiate another acceptable long-term deal that he signs), he will automatically hit the market and become an unrestricted free agent."

Seravalli guesses that SJ's return will be less than what CHI got for Debrincat, FWIW.

Sharks’ Timo Meier won’t come cheap at the Trade Deadline, but he’s worth it

With his goal scoring upside and play driving ability, he’s worth the pricey AAV and massive qualifying offer for a...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

This question is not directed at you but to the general audience.

How do the Isles trade assets for Meier and then sign him for north of $10M/year, resign Mayfield and then before you blink need to sign Sorokin and Dobson to high AAV deals? He’d be a great player to have but even with losing the contracts of Bailey and Beau how do we fill out the rest of the team by trading our few assets for Meier?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Top Corner]

The Question is , will Wally be healthy at Trade Deadline and does any GM see him like most
of the fanbase here ? I for one, see very little value in him and would think if we are moving this year's first +, I don't think Wally brings the added "equivalent first" that would be needed. I hope I'm wrong because Wally as a top 6, I don't like the smell test and if any GM does (Hopefully Mike Grier) I'm packing his bags

 

[Osakahaus]

This question is not directed at you but to the general audience.

How do the Isles trade assets for Meier and then sign him for north of $10M/year, resign Mayfield and then before you blink need to sign Sorokin and Dobson to high AAV deals? He’d be a great player to have but even with losing the contracts of Bailey and Beau how do we fill out the rest of the team by trading our few assets for Meier?

Asking for a friend.

and Timo also means the prospect pool gets even more shallow. you're pouring more resources into an inevitable decline that you cannot stop. It would be more catastrophic than a Vanek trade. The point you make about cap is also massive, especially when you consider how poorly structured it is.

 

[MJF]

If you want Timo, you might find this interesting (if you didn't already know):

"He is being paid $10 million in salary this season, which means his qualifying offer for next year as a restricted free agent is also $10 million. In other words, if the acquiring team does not offer Meier a one-year, $10 million deal (or negotiate another acceptable long-term deal that he signs), he will automatically hit the market and become an unrestricted free agent."

Seravalli guesses that SJ's return will be less than what CHI got for Debrincat, FWIW.

Sharks’ Timo Meier won’t come cheap at the Trade Deadline, but he’s worth it

With his goal scoring upside and play driving ability, he’s worth the pricey AAV and massive qualifying offer for a...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

That would throw our salary structure out of whack.

 

[Throttle]

If you want Timo, you might find this interesting (if you didn't already know):

"He is being paid $10 million in salary this season, which means his qualifying offer for next year as a restricted free agent is also $10 million. In other words, if the acquiring team does not offer Meier a one-year, $10 million deal (or negotiate another acceptable long-term deal that he signs), he will automatically hit the market and become an unrestricted free agent."

Seravalli guesses that SJ's return will be less than what CHI got for Debrincat, FWIW.

Sharks’ Timo Meier won’t come cheap at the Trade Deadline, but he’s worth it

With his goal scoring upside and play driving ability, he’s worth the pricey AAV and massive qualifying offer for a...

www.dailyfaceoff.com

The QO vanishes once you sign a long term deal. The issue is the Isles own May Barzal had the same thing in his contract this year. $7M cap hit, $10M cash, $10M QO, which factored into the absurd 8yr $9.15M deal he got..

 

[Throttle]

The Question is , will Wally be healthy at Trade Deadline and does any GM see him like most
of the fanbase here ? I for one, see very little value in him and would think if we are moving this year's first +, I don't think Wally brings the added "equivalent first" that would be needed. I hope I'm wrong because Wally as a top 6, I don't like the smell test and if any GM does (Hopefully Mike Grier) I'm packing his bags

I’m with ya. He’s not very good, he can shoot, but he has no idea where to go on the ice to actually shoot. He still skates with his head down too much.

Maybe he makes an appearance before deadline. Maybe he’s effective. One thing is certain, he’s an RFA and he hasn’t earned anything more than a QO, so maybe the Isles get some luck on him over performing on his QO.

 

[doublechili]

The QO vanishes once you sign a long term deal. The issue is the Isles own May Barzal had the same thing in his contract this year. $7M cap hit, $10M cash, $10M QO, which factored into the absurd 8yr $9.15M deal he got..

Correct - he only gets $10M as a QO if they can't work out a long term deal.

Meier would actually be perfect for the Isles as a LH shot RW who takes a lot of shots and scores a lot of goals and isn't a one trick pony (eg., not a Mike Hoffman). Lee - Barzal - Meier would probably work very nicely as complimentary skills. And he's good enough and young enough that he'd be worth pretty much any 1st round pick that isn't Bedard.

 

[saintunspecified]

my theory is that the islanders wanted one of the defensemen in Korchinski or Mintyukov, but didn't like anyone else. however, Liam Bischel is literally in the mold of an Adam Pelech. The fact that the isles traded that pick for Romanov is bad asset management. you needed talent badly and thats what you do?

It's been a long week. I am too crotchety to accept it when people to use 'literally' immediately prior to a metaphor. It's too much.

 

[SI]

I think it was Nino for Schneider.

Lou offered the 9 OA and Canucks chose that and then Snow traded Nino for Cal

 

[YearlyLottery]

I think it was Nino for Schneider.

Lou offered the 9 OA and Canucks chose that and then Snow traded Nino for Cal

Don't sell Snow short. He also got Eamon McAdam.

 

[Osakahaus]

It's been a long week. I am too crotchety to accept it when people to use 'literally' immediately prior to a metaphor. It's too much.

when i watched Bichel in the World Juniors, I swear the guy played exactly like Pelech. Its bothering me that the isles passed up on that.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I think it was Nino for Schneider.

Lou offered the 9 OA and Canucks chose that and then Snow traded Nino for Cal

Nino or Nelson plus the first rounder. Snow told me himself at a season Ticket holder event

 

[LeapOnOver]

Sorokin is amazing. Nobody else on this team is. That is all.

 

[Mike C]

Sorokin is amazing. Nobody else on this team is. That is all.

"it's a cake not a portrait" it's simple but it says it

 

[TheWhiteWhale30]

This question is not directed at you but to the general audience.

How do the Isles trade assets for Meier and then sign him for north of $10M/year, resign Mayfield and then before you blink need to sign Sorokin and Dobson to high AAV deals? He’d be a great player to have but even with losing the contracts of Bailey and Beau how do we fill out the rest of the team by trading our few assets for Meier?

Asking for a friend.

Move Palmieri to a non contender. There is enough space to move. Just need to get creative. After this year need to have the 4th line wings making league minimum and have Räty here on the same. What most teams do structure wise to make it work