Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Islanders4Cups]

I find myself saying “take the 2 points“ a lot this season despite not playing well.

Similar to the last two playoff regular seasons.

 

[isles55]

Think Meier would be a great addition.

Seravilli stated recently, “his starting value on the market is considerably less than the Alex DeBrincat deal last summer”.

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Debrincat went for the 7th, a 2nd in 2022, and a 4th in 2024. The reason why Meier’s value is perceived lower is because his qualifying offer is $10 million at the end of this season. That would put us very close to the cap with no backup goalie, Mayfield, Parise, and Wahlstrom as free agents.

 

[Throttle]

Think Meier would be a great addition.

Seravilli stated recently, “his starting value on the market is considerably less than the Alex DeBrincat deal last summer”.

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Debrincat went for the 7th, a 2nd in 2022, and a 4th in 2024. The reason why Meier’s value is perceived lower is because his qualifying offer is $10 million at the end of this season. That would put us very close to the cap with no backup goalie, Mayfield, Parise, and Wahlstrom as free agents.

Meier is nice trade fodder to talk about, he’s not going anywhere. His $10M QO disappears when they resign him. It’s a negotiating tactic by SJ when they resigned him previously.

Trading him does nothing to help SJ, they have too many long term bad contracts that even the assets and picks don’t offset the benefit. SJ ownership is going to seek to ‘retool’ vs rebuild.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

Meier is nice trade fodder to talk about, he’s not going anywhere. His $10M QO disappears when they resign him. It’s a negotiating tactic by SJ when they resigned him previously.

Trading him does nothing to help SJ, they have too many long term bad contracts that even the assets and picks don’t offset the benefit. SJ ownership is going to seek to ‘retool’ vs rebuild.

I could see them trading him but trying to get someone to take a contract as attachment to that. I read article that I wish I could link but it was written from standpoint that Meier definitely will be traded.

 

[isles55]

Meier is nice trade fodder to talk about, he’s not going anywhere. His $10M QO disappears when they resign him. It’s a negotiating tactic by SJ when they resigned him previously.

Trading him does nothing to help SJ, they have too many long term bad contracts that even the assets and picks don’t offset the benefit. SJ ownership is going to seek to ‘retool’ vs rebuild.

It doesn’t make a lot of sense to move Meier, but it also didn’t make a lot of sense for Chicago to move Debrincat for all the same reasons.

 

[Throttle]

I could see them trading him but trying to get someone to take a contract as attachment to that. I read article that I wish I could link but it was written from standpoint that Meier definitely will be traded.

This is the equivalent of trading Barzal and Palmieri… the Sharks are a closer equivalent of the Isles, except they have worse longer term contracts, weaker defense, no depth, and mediocre goaltending.

They went for it and got buried under really long poorly performing contracts. Gonna be awhile over there. NYR last year got everyone excited about quick retools vs rebuilds.

It doesn’t make a lot of sense to move Meier, but it also didn’t make a lot of sense for Chicago to move Debrincat for all the same reasons.

Sort of, look at Chicago’s cap vs. cash. Chicago is paying way less than their cap hit. Debrincat may get $8M on a re-up and also it was a signal to Kane/Toews were are rebuilding. Time to move on. Also, remember Chicago had to pay an unknown sum of money to a certain person that is no longer allowed to talk. Would not be surprised they are using this season to offset that cost.

 

[WangMustGo]

This is the equivalent of trading Barzal and Palmieri… the Sharks are a closer equivalent of the Isles, except they have worse longer term contracts, weaker defense, no depth, and mediocre goaltending.

They went for it and got buried under really long poorly performing contracts. Gonna be awhile over there. NYR last year got everyone excited about quick retools vs rebuilds.


Sort of, look at Chicago’s cap vs. cash. Chicago is paying way less than their cap hit. Debrincat may get $8M on a re-up and also it was a signal to Kane/Toews were are rebuilding. Time to move on. Also, remember Chicago had to pay an unknown sum of money to a certain person that is no longer allowed to talk. Would not be surprised they are using this season to offset that cost.

I dont think NYR got many GMs excited about a retool. The rangers got ridiculous lotterly luck back to back years (thankfully they have yet to pan out), a #1 defenseman that forced his way to the rangers, and a 90 point forward that wanted to live in NYC. You take those things away and tha rangers are a middle of the pack team at best.

I wouldnt be surprised to see more teams on the outside be looking to flip assets that ordinarily wouldnt be available. Bedard is the best draft eligible prospect since Mcdavid. I think teams are going to try their best to tank and grab as many 1st round picks to rebuild.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

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[Mike C]

Isles don't rely on Pageau to score. His value is exactly what you pointed out. His goal scoring gets criticized because he gets lumped in with the rest of the non scorers who do get relied upon and don't perform consistently such as Beau, Wally and Palms

I am 1000 percent in agreement that Pageau is the perfect 3rd line C. He's also a team guy, hustles his ass off and plays big boy hockey in corners, along the boards and behind the net

 

[Mike C]

Props to you Mikey C, for appreciating the legend that was the Hip.. Didn't even think most 'Mericans even knew they existed. Color me impressed!

Here's one for you....had another old time great Canadian band on Spotify before. Fronted by the great Jim Cuddy.....Blue Rodeo

 

[Taswell]

Isles don't rely on Pageau to score. His value is exactly what you pointed out. His goal scoring gets criticized because he gets lumped in with the rest of the non scorers who do get relied upon and don't perform consistently such as Beau, Wally and Palms

I am 1000 percent in agreement that Pageau is the perfect 3rd line C. He's also a team guy, hustles his ass off and plays big boy hockey in corners, along the boards and behind the net

He and his wife also post great looking food pics on Insta, so he's a keeper for that alone

 

[TMI]

Here's one for you....had another old time great Canadian band on Spotify before. Fronted by the great Jim Cuddy.....Blue Rodeo

More Canadian icons, and maybe even more surprised you know THEM than the Hip. Not a huge fan, but did see them live in '90 while at uni.. don't remember much now except for the keyboard player - pretty sure he was on coke, speed and acid.. Never seen a keyboardist before or since with that much energy.. LOL

 

[Mike C]

More Canadian icons, and maybe even more surprised you know THEM than the Hip. Not a huge fan, but did see them live in '90 while at uni.. don't remember much now except for the keyboard player - pretty sure he was on coke, speed and acid.. Never seen a keyboardist before or since with that much energy.. LOL

When I got satellite radio, I became hooked on the indie Canadian rock station. That was probably 20 plus years ago

 

[danteipp]

Isles don't rely on Pageau to score. His value is exactly what you pointed out. His goal scoring gets criticized because he gets lumped in with the rest of the non scorers who do get relied upon and don't perform consistently such as Beau, Wally and Palms

I am 1000 percent in agreement that Pageau is the perfect 3rd line C. He's also a team guy, hustles his ass off and plays big boy hockey in corners, along the boards and behind the net

JGP showed his value last night. He does everything you need, in order to win games. Maybe the stats don't show up on the score sheet, but he is a valuable hockey player and important to the Isles. Spreadsheets be damned.

 

[xECK29x]

Maybe relevant in 6 years

 

[danteipp]

Maybe relevant in 6 years

Barzal should send him some Islanders pajamas and sheets.

 

[eoin92]

Maybe relevant in 6 years

Can he play wing?

 

[IslesNorway]

Maybe relevant in 6 years

Better start tanking now!

 

[isles55]

Maybe relevant in 6 years

They skate together over the summer.

 

[CupHolders]

When we talk about why there is less "hate" between players in the NHL these days, it's mostly because like Barzal/Bedard all of these players know and communicate with each other. Back in the 70s/80s you really only knew the players you were teammates with coming up the ranks.

I'm not suggesting this is the case with Bedard and Barzal, but players may not even be in the same Junior Leagues yet still know and each other from a shared nutritionist or skating coach etc. Through modern communications these friendships are easier to maintain.

To be clear, I'm not implying that players not hating each other is bad thing... just that it's a thing.

 

[Chardo]

Barzal should send him some Islanders pajamas and sheets.

He should Adam Fox his way to the island.

 

[PK Cronin]

When we talk about why there is less "hate" between players in the NHL these days, it's mostly because like Barzal/Bedard all of these players know and communicate with each other. Back in the 70s/80s you really only knew the players you were teammates with coming up the ranks.

I'm not suggesting this is the case with Bedard and Barzal, but players may not even be in the same Junior Leagues yet still know and each other from a shared nutritionist or skating coach etc. Through modern communications these friendships are easier to maintain.

To be clear, I'm not implying that players not hating each other is bad thing... just that it's a thing.

Yep.

Add to it, more tournaments and access to footage of other players too. Also, players spending their entire career in one place is now much more rare.

Pretty sure I hate guys in my beer league more than some NHL players hate each other, because I've been playing against the same guys for a decade.

 

[danteipp]

He should Adam Fox his way to the island.

Could you imagine if the Isles ever had a player actually force his way to the team (as opposed to off the team)?

I assume that would be one of the signs of the upcoming apocalypse.

At a minimum I would expect a tampering investigation led by Bill Daly and the Isles to forfeit multiple draft picks.

 

[NC 1972]

Can he play wing?

He’s small for wing and we don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell.

 

[Mike C]

When we talk about why there is less "hate" between players in the NHL these days, it's mostly because like Barzal/Bedard all of these players know and communicate with each other. Back in the 70s/80s you really only knew the players you were teammates with coming up the ranks.

I'm not suggesting this is the case with Bedard and Barzal, but players may not even be in the same Junior Leagues yet still know and each other from a shared nutritionist or skating coach etc. Through modern communications these friendships are easier to maintain.

To be clear, I'm not implying that players not hating each other is bad thing... just that it's a thing.

It's like that in all sports now. Players are too chummy, decide they want to play with their friends, orchestrate trades and signings accordingly, meet up before and after games, hang out in off seasons.

Makes me freaking sick I tell you!