Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[The Real JT]

Remember the rumor a couple of summers ago that we could trade Beau to MTL for Romanov and a lot of posters didn't want to do it?

I remember it well. Chances are neither side even thought about it. We fantasize a bit here I suspect. Like thinking Bailey is a commodity that will bring back some other asset.

 

[Mike C]

sure I would shop Ab but just think his value is worth my commodore 64 I still have in the attic

Maybe as part of a package he might have value, at least until his next shift!

 

[doublechili]

Wait was that an actual rumor? I thought that was just your wishful thinking.

I was wishing for it, but it was in response to rumors that MTL wanted Beau for Romanov. Whether they were "actual" or not....

 

[Mike C]

I hope the Flyers take him so we can see all the Wild fans lose their minds about how they lost him for nothing and he was never given a fair shake.

Maybe they'll raise an uproar about bad asset management eh?

 

[Foppberg]

I wouldn’t hate to see Jost end up here … but there doesn’t seem to be much there. He did look much better in the playoffs for us than he did in the regular season though. Little to no offense, small and slow.. great guy and he tries hard but just not much there at an NHL level.

 

[TheWhiteWhale30]

Bailey being sat 2 games in a row and 3rd this season either indicates a trade in the works, or Lambert didn’t get the response he wanted from him after a 1 game sit. It is either an extended benching to get him going or a trade. Beauvillier hasn’t been much better to warrant Beau not taking a turn in the press box.

Have to imagine if Bailey is being moved though it is for something much bigger to move his cap hit. Just starting to get a feeling it’s more to get him going rather then a trade… it has been like 5 days now he has been out of the lineup. Would imagine lou would know if a trade is panning out or not by this point.

If it is a trade… Horvat ? Tarasenko ? Meier ? Chychrun ? Or someone off the radar. See if Bailey is back in tonight.

 

[Mike C]

Bailey being sat 2 games in a row and 3rd this season either indicates a trade in the works, or Lambert didn’t get the response he wanted from him after a 1 game sit. It is either an extended benching to get him going or a trade. Beauvillier hasn’t been much better to warrant Beau not taking a turn in the press box.

Have to imagine if Bailey is being moved though it is for something much bigger to move his cap hit. Just starting to get a feeling it’s more to get him going rather then a trade… it has been like 5 days now he has been out of the lineup. Would imagine lou would know if a trade is panning out or not by this point.

If it is a trade… Horvat ? Tarasenko ? Meier ? Chychrun ? Or someone off the radar. See if Bailey is back in tonight.

After watching Vancouver play last night, I think it would be folly on their part to trade anyone. They are only 2 pts out of wild card spot and looked really good. Unlike us, the played what I would consider a solid 60 minutes

 

[WangMustGo]

After watching Vancouver play last night, I think it would be folly on their part to trade anyone. They are only 2 pts out of wild card spot and looked really good. Unlike us, the played what I would consider a solid 60 minutes

The west is also absolute garbage outside of the top few teams. Unless they decide to go all in on a tank for Bedard i cant see them trading for futures just yet.

 

[Mike C]

The west is also absolute garbage outside of the top few teams. Unless they decide to go all in on a tank for Bedard i cant see them trading for futures just yet.

I had the Vancouver feed. It was pretty cool to hear John Garrett, my all time favorite WHA goalie as their color commentator. He's a little bit of a homer but not overly blatant.

 

[Chardo]

They sat Bailey to give Ross Johnson 6 minutes of ice time, without a shift in the 3rd period. Seems foolish.

 

[CupHolders]

I was wishing for it, but it was in response to rumors that MTL wanted Beau for Romanov. Whether they were "actual" or not....

But I don't recall that those were actual rumors, as much as HFBoards speculation threads. In fact, whereas some here were upset about losing the pick; I was surprise (and happy) that the Isles were able to acquire Romanov for it.

I guess my only regret is that the Isles missed out in drafting him when he was available in the second round of 2018 (#38 overall). The fact that he was drafted just ahead of Bode Wilde (#41 overall) AND years later the Isles traded for him... Makes me think the Isles amateur scouts might have been high on Romanov. Possibly they were hoping he dropped to them in the second?

 

[Mike C]

They sat Bailey to give Ross Johnson 6 minutes of ice time, without a shift in the 3rd period. Seems foolish.

As PK pointed out, can't play Ross when getting down so early. That hamstrings team for rest of game

 

[leeroggy]

I was pu

Remember the rumor a couple of summers ago that we could trade Beau to MTL for Romanov and a lot of posters didn't want to do it?

I was pushing that trade

 

[Tahoeblue]

I was pu

I was pushing that trade

I was hesitant on that one. Hindsight is 20-20. Always afraid to move a young player and then see that player flourish in another organization(Sam Bennett). Beau just hasn't put it all together yet and may never with this club.

Beau for Dvorak- not advocating, just throwing it out there.

 

[Mike C]

I was hesitant on that one. Hindsight is 20-20. Always afraid to move a young player and then see that player flourish in another organization(Sam Bennett). Beau just hasn't put it all together yet and may never with this club.

Beau for Dvorak- not advocating, just throwing it out there.

Some players who flourish elsewhere wouldn't flourish from whence they came for one reason or another. Could be self imposed pressure, too big a market, thin skin to fan/media criticism, being too comfortable with locker room environment and not treating it as a job, the list goes on

It may well be that Beau will do well elsewhere but if he isn't doing well here, it's best for both to break camp and move on down the road. A truly good trade is one that benefits both teams

 

[seafoam]

Jost claimed by Buffalo.

 

[Mike C]

Jost claimed by Buffalo.

Sabres grasping at straws on a 7 game losing streak

 

[Tahoeblue]

Some players who flourish elsewhere wouldn't flourish from whence they came for one reason or another. Could be self imposed pressure, too big a market, thin skin to fan/media criticism, being too comfortable with locker room environment and not treating it as a job, the list goes on

It may well be that Beau will do well elsewhere but if he isn't doing well here, it's best for both to break camp and move on down the road. A truly good trade is one that benefits both teams

Totally agree on your last paragraph. I would back the Brinks truck and move considerable assets for Timo Meier. Come on Lou, take the Sharks rookie GM for a ride.

 

[Big L]

Wow didn’t realize Bailey sucks this bad. Not sure anyone would trade for this.

“Headed into Saturday’s game in Dallas, there were a handful of concerning statistics regarding Bailey. Despite averaging more than 15 minutes per game, his 34-shot attempts at five-on-five was more than only the fourth liners among players that have skated regularly. Among forwards, Bailey’s 0.46 expected goals per 60 minutes was better than only Matt Martin, according to MoneyPuck.com. Bailey still has been credited with just two hits on the season, and while he’s never going to be confused with Niklas Kronwall, that’s still an indication that he hasn’t been involved enough from a physical standpoint.”

 

[Top Corner]

The Isles should finally be able to land a top-six forward. Everything is lining up.

For once, the bad teams looking to trade are mostly out West and should be looking to move their players East, so they don't have to face them. Recently it seems most of the players have been going the other way, which typically means that the Isles would need to tack on a premium in any trade.

The Isles have the cap space to acquire most players with very little retention. That should also help since most owners love to save real $$$.

The Isles have NHL players in Wahlstrom (RW) and Beau (LW) they could include, quality prospects in the AHL in Raty (C), Dufour (W), Holmstrom (W), Bolduc (LHD), etc. playing well and on the doorstep of the NHL, and all of their 2023-2025 firsts and seconds in the fold.

The Isles can do lots of different permeations in trade, other than include a top RHD player/prospect. It is time to get that last piece.

There is not 1 player that can be had in a trade that would put us over the top. For the most part , We have a blue collar team that relies on defensive play and good goaltending to stay close . In my opinion, We would need 2 or 3 high end forwards which is not going to happen. What we have is what we are going with unless Lou wants to shuffle the deck and move a very valuable piece in hopes of landing gold

 

[YearlyLottery]

There is not 1 player that can be had in a trade that would put us over the top. For the most part , We have a blue collar team that relies on defensive play and good goaltending to stay close . In my opinion, We would need 2 or 3 high end forwards which is not going to happen. What we have is what we are going with unless Lou wants to shuffle the deck and move a very valuable piece in hopes of landing gold

This team absolutely does not need 2-3 high end forwards to win the Cup. They just don't. They need one high end forward with a hot Sorokin and solid defense.

 

[Top Corner]

This team absolutely does not need 2-3 high end forwards to win the Cup. They just don't. They need one high end forward with a hot Sorokin and solid defense.

Let me know who that player would be and what would have to leave to get it done? If you are talking about mcdavid or draisaitl then maybe but that’s not happening. I see 2 or 3 needed we just don’t have a lot of high end talent

 

[The Real JT]

I’m going to revisit the faceoff topic and Barzal’s consistently poor performance.

He was exceptionally bad on the dot last night but that’s not cherry picking. It’s who he is. Check the attached career stats. You can’t have your #1C taking draws at critical junctures during the game with those results.

What’s the answer? Moving him to RW is not a crazy idea IMO. Alternatively, is there any precedent in having a player as the defacto center yet having a linemate take the draws?

 

[Throttle]

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I’m going to revisit the faceoff topic and Barzal’s consistently poor performance.

He was exceptionally bad on the dot last night but that’s not cherry picking. It’s who he is. Check the attached career stats. You can’t have your #1C taking draws at critical junctures during the game with those results.

What’s the answer? Moving him to RW is not a crazy idea IMO. Alternatively, is there any precedent in having a player as the defacto center yet having a linemate take the draws?

Barzal just needs a sniper. Don’t worry about the rest of his game. It’s the rest of the teams fault they are not as good as he is.

 

[WangMustGo]

Let me know who that player would be and what would have to leave to get it done? If you are talking about mcdavid or draisaitl then maybe but that’s not happening. I see 2 or 3 needed we just don’t have a lot of high end talent

Honestly Patrick Kane puts us close. Hes not my #1 target because of his age, but hes hands down an elite talent that can carry the offense.