Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[MJF]

that’s some yummy cap savings. I think Bellows goes back on waivers when JvR’s hand heals (he broke it)

Couturier had to be shut down again today at practice. No timetable for his return anymore. His rehab is not going well.

 

[seafoam]

Couturier had to be shut down again today at practice. No timetable for his return anymore. His rehab is not going well.

Yeah they need bodies.

 

[The Real JT]

Yup.

But then why did Lou pay Bellows during the summer instead of letting him walk?

Bellows had a good look this season and he just couldn’t produce.

He played one full game with 7 minutes 16 seconds of ice time. How much more of a chance do you want?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Bellows had a good look this season and he just couldn’t produce.

He played one full game with 7 minutes 16 seconds of ice time. How much more of a chance do you want?

What about all the team meetings though?

 

[PK Cronin]

Bellows had a good look this season and he just couldn’t produce.

He played one full game with 7 minutes 16 seconds of ice time. How much more of a chance do you want?

The 40+ last year was a long enough look for me, and I saw him suck during the pre-season.

Wouldn't be shocked if he was brought back once he's on waivers again.

Too lazy to look it up. How much cap space we have now? 4 million? I'll play for 350k.

$4.1M right now.

 

[saintunspecified]

The 40+ last year was a long enough look for me, and I saw him suck during the pre-season.

Wouldn't be shocked if he was brought back once he's on waivers again.

I really don't think NYI would have waived him it if they didn't intend to get Holmstrom into some NHL games this year. Holmstrom checks a lot of the boxes a bottom-6 forward needs to check - decent hockey sense, mobility, plays well on the boards, can penalty kill, and is positionally resopnsible. I'm not saying he's going to be a top-6 forward. But he's got all the versaitility Bellows lacks.

 

[Throttle]

Torts may make a player out of him, but PHI is lotto bound, so whatever.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

I really don't think NYI would have waived him it if they didn't intend to get Holmstrom into some NHL games this year. Holmstrom checks a lot of the boxes a bottom-6 forward needs to check - decent hockey sense, mobility, plays well on the boards, can penalty kill, and is positionally resopnsible. I'm not saying he's going to be a top-6 forward. But he's got all the versaitility Bellows lacks.

As someone who watched Bridgeport I’d argue Durandeau can do more than bellows and plays with a chip and is a better skater to boot In a bottom six role. Holmstrom to me is a better second or third line option.

 

[seafoam]

As someone who watched Bridgeport I’d argue Durandeau can do more than bellows and plays with a chip and is a better skater to boot In a bottom six role. Holmstrom to me is a better second or third line option.

Exactly. NYI has better options in the minors than Bellows.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I really don't think NYI would have waived him it if they didn't intend to get Holmstrom into some NHL games this year. Holmstrom checks a lot of the boxes a bottom-6 forward needs to check - decent hockey sense, mobility, plays well on the boards, can penalty kill, and is positionally resopnsible. I'm not saying he's going to be a top-6 forward. But he's got all the versaitility Bellows lacks.

Exactly. NYI has better options in the minors than Bellows.

Yes, we can theorize about such things and ultimately, they may play a role. Sure.

Most disappointing for me in this Bellows situation is that we did not find a way to make an asset out of a former first round pick.

Be it at the end of Snow's tenure or now throughout Lou's, this team simply NEVER makes a timely decision that a certain prospect isn't going to fit or make it here, and then at least parlays him into another form of futures.

It hurts immensely seeing the likes of Dal Colle, Ho-Sang, and now Bellows all become nothing for us when each showed something along the way while facing very uphill odds in cracking the Isles' line-up. Heck, maybe they could have turned a guy like Wilde into a late rounder had they looked to move him right when the initial news came out about the vaccination policy and his stance in light thereof?

There simply is no selling while high on a hunch for this team. This franchise just does not do it. It never seeks that route.

And interestingly, it almost always seems like there are posters here who denote a time when a player's value is probably as high as it's going to get while the NHL path seemed somewhat blocked within the NYI organization.

- Dal Colle, long in the prospect tooth, had a PPG AHL season, but was part of a LW logjam with this club.
- Ho-Sang hadn't been too shabby in call-ups, but clearly wasn't a Trotz player (among other things).
- Now Bellows, who was one of basically 2 (of 14) forward contracts who entered the season with an uncertain spot.

I think this is one of the things I really, really miss with this organization. We just don't turn assets we can't really use into another form of futures.

 

[duster19]

So what’s the corresponding move? He’s claimed. Spots open. Salo?

 

[Throttle]

Yes, we can theorize about such things and ultimately, they may play a role. Sure.

Most disappointing for me in this Bellows situation is that we did not find a way to make an asset out of a former first round pick.

Be it at the end of Snow's tenure or now throughout Lou's, this team simply NEVER makes a timely decision that a certain prospect isn't going to fit or make it here, and then at least parlays him into another form of futures.

It hurts immensely seeing the likes of Dal Colle, Ho-Sang, and now Bellows all become nothing for us when each showed something along the way while facing very uphill odds in cracking the Isles' line-up. Heck, maybe they could have turned a guy like Wilde into a late rounder had they looked to move him right when the initial news came out about the vaccination policy and his stance in light thereof?

There simply is no selling while high on a hunch for this team. This franchise just does not do it. It never seeks that route.

And interestingly, it almost always seems like there are posters here who denote a time when a player's value is probably as high as it's going to get while the NHL path seemed somewhat blocked within the NYI organization.

- Dal Colle, long in the prospect tooth, had a PPG AHL season, but was part of a LW logjam with this club.
- Ho-Sang hadn't been too shabby in call-ups, but clearly wasn't a Trotz player (among other things).
- Now Bellows, who was one of basically 2 (of 14) forward contracts who entered the season with an uncertain spot.

I think this is one of the things I really, really miss with this organization. We just don't turn assets we can't really use into another form of futures.

Didn’t the franchise move that Reinhart guy at precisely the ‘right’ time? The problem seems the team has drafted guys that have a high washout factor, including Reinhart.

JHS was a high risk move by a team desperate to capitalize on a dropping talented player. However, the player seemed like kryptonite and anyone that drafted him knew that, Snow was just the bonehead that did, no matter what he produced under Weight.

The Bellows draft was mostly junk and tons of first round land mines. ANA didn’t even qualify their pick from that draft this past offseason.

 

[Mike C]

Bellows had a good look this season and he just couldn’t produce.

He played one full game with 7 minutes 16 seconds of ice time. How much more of a chance do you want?

Yeah. Wally made the most of his limited time last season and now that he's unshackled, look at the guy!

 

[Mike C]

So what’s the corresponding move? He’s claimed. Spots open. Salo?

What a look it would be to let the guy open the season on the roster, drop him after a handful of games then bring him back after a handful more. Nothing like consistency!

 

[Lek]

Get the feeling there is something more going on.....

 

[SI]

I was wrong - I really thought he would clear.

The $ was reason #1 and I do not rate him very high.

Too lazy to look it up. How much cap space we have now? 4 million? I'll play for 350k.

4.14 with a 22-man roster - subtract .800k from Salo and it roughly comes in at 3.34 of cap space.

 

[SI90]

I was wrong - I really thought he would clear.

The $ was reason #1 and I do not rate him very high.


4.14 with a 22-man roster - subtract .800k from Salo and it roughly comes in at 3.34 of cap space.

A lot of people thought he would. I didn’t think Philly but I get him getting claimed. He’s worth the gamble imo

 

[Mike C]

Get the feeling there is something more going on.....

Maybe he told the new voice to improve the beer selection in the press box and they woke Lou up to tell him.

 

[mm11]

He’s playing the same way he always plays - nothing has changed there, sorry.

by the way, the elite Barkov is humming at 4 points in 7 games sporting a -2 Anything changed?

 

[MJF]

Robin Salo is back.

 

[Throttle]

by the way, the elite Barkov is humming at 4 points in 7 games sporting a -2 Anything changed?

Are you seriously trying to compare the performance of those two players?

 

[Mike C]

by the way, the elite Barkov is humming at 4 points in 7 games sporting a -2 Anything changed?

That's 4 pts 0 goals. He probably just thinks he's on the Isles

Robin Salo is back.

Almost like he never left.

 

[Mike C]

What about all the team meetings though?

Apparently they voted him out. He lost the room

 

[mm11]

Are you seriously trying to compare the performance of those two players?

Pretty sure #13 has more playoff wins and did beat barkov head to head. Just mentioning some facts my ice capades friend.

 

[Mike C]

Pretty sure #13 has more playoff wins and did beat barkov head to head. Just mentioning some facts my ice capades friend.

Kid needs some wingers


Just not the ones named Gaudreau or Kadri though.