Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[seafoam]

Did that clown James Nicholls explain himself out of this one?

Yes.

 

[periferal]

Sorry Perif, but if I got that stuff wrong on FLN, I should be called out too. Any journalism, even social media, has a level of accuracy that is not negotiable.

I have no problem calling out anyone who's incorrect, but that's really not the issue here. I honestly think many here are upset/disappointed that Lou is seemingly doing basically nothing for another offseason and taking that disappointment out on reporters (who are wrong), but not the real issue.

So call out any reporter you want. Totally agree if they don't get the job done. I'm just wondering when all the, "Let's wait and see how the offseason plays out," Lou stans will also start calling Lou out for not getting the job done.

 

[The Real JT]

That's not necessarily true. Injuries do happen. But I really don't trust Miller in the east. I've seen it.

NYI can't be buyers at the deadline. Forgoing another 1st round pick would be a long-term disaster (unless it's used like it was in the Romanov deal).

Lambert better be okay taking the training wheels off of Barzal. His play will probably be the difference between playoffs, and a deadline sell-off.

Agreed but we need more than Barzal. Add improvements from Palmieri, Wahlstrom, Beau and one or more Dmen and we’re all set.

Easy peasy.

 

[periferal]

Lou doesn't announce these things until it suits him. He'd rather the other GMs don't know exactly how much these guys are getting at this point.

Yeah - As if people aren't talking behind Lou's back (or they couldn't figure it out anyway).

 

[impaaaaaact]

Weekes Shannon and Pagnotta all reporting it was a done deal. They need to be called out. Shit is infuriating.

FWIW, Weekes just said we have 4 incoming transactions. Could still be right about that

 

[MJF]

Yes.

What Nichols needed to say is "the majority of us bloggers use the quote tweet button as our biggest reporting tool."

Short of Elliotte Friedman, Kevin Weekes, Pierre LeBrun, or Frank Seravalli, none of these so called insiders are worth the effort to read.

 

[periferal]

Screw the rest of the NHL... Play the Kids and let's see what we got.... Tired of being snubbed....

What TF kids are you talking about? Even without Chara/Greene we're one of the oldest teams in the league...With perhaps the worst farm system.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Now how many of those would significantly improve the Isles AND fit under the current cap??

We reportedly offered a deal to the most expensive player on that list. You’re thinking too hard.

 

[JKP]

You guys know I wanted Kadri and I am not happy. This is looking like yet another season where he gets nothing. If nothing additional is done he has got to be on the hot seat at this point.

I think he was on the hot seat the moment he decided to blitz Trotz…

 

[MarsTBOW]

What TF kids are you talking about? Even without Chara/Greene we're one of the oldest teams in the league...With perhaps the worst farm system.

What I should have said was, maybe it's time for a Youth Movement.... We need to end trading 1st round picks. Just sick of the nonsense. But we could play Bellows, Wahly, Salo and maybe a Cup of Coffee with Raty to see what we really got. That's WTF I'm talking about....

 

[steveat]

Monahan is gonna be a TDL flip for Montreal...

What I think we are gonna do is take a cap dump from another team for an up and coming prospect...something like a forward version of Perunovich (Blues) OR possibly a first rounder for next year.

I think Kadri made a good choice...seriously./.for the AVs AND the Isles, he'd be a solid top 6 centre, BUT for the Flames, he is gonna have at least 2-3 years of top 3 centre play...

 

[doublechili]

Bloggers making stuff up aside, what has Lou actually said? He said after the season that the team needed a certain kind of player. Didn't he also say he'd like to get 2 LHD, and in a perfect world one of them would be an offensive D? He said something about making a hockey trade rather than signing someone.

I was on board with signing Kadri, even for 7 years. However, if you go to CapFriendly and see that $7,000,000 along the entire top of CGY's page, it kinda makes you not too upset.

 

[periferal]

Imagine if Lou didn't trade for Pageau, Palmieri, and Romanov and instead traded those 2 or 3 of those 1st rounders for one player.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Did that clown James Nicholls explain himself out of this one?

something along the lines of “everyone else was doing it!”

dude is an absolute clown. wish he would go away

 

[periferal]

What I should have said was, maybe it's time for a Youth Movement.... We need to end trading 1st round picks. Just sick of the nonsense. But we could play Bellows, Wahly, Salo and maybe a Cup of Coffee with Raty to see what we really got. That's WTF I'm talking about....

OK, but this team isn't good enough to win a Cup with its vets - Much less "kids." I totally agree to stop trading 1st rounders, but if you play Bellows, Salo, Raty, etc, for any significant length of time this season (much less the playoffs - if we even get there), you might as well start a rebuild.

 

[MarsTBOW]

OK, but this team isn't good enough to win a Cup with its vets - Much less "kids." I totally agree to stop trading 1st rounders, but if you play Bellows, Salo, Raty, etc, for any significant length of time this season (much less the playoffs - if we even get there), you might as well start a rebui

Yup, you are right, they are not good enough to win a Cup. It's that middle ground we seem to be stuck in. My frustration is that we seem to not be able to get that Sniper Winger Here for Two Decades now and it seems like Ziggy was the last time we had that Legit Threat every shift from the wing. Have to find top end talent someplace and it seems it must come from the Draft cause this trend of swinging and missing is abysmal...

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Relieved - Never wanted Kadri as he's not good enough and that contract will be scary in a few years.

Sad - Looks like another failed offseason where once again Lou is doing to trot out a "not good enough" lineup in 22-23.

Scared - I'd say this increases the chances of Lou dealing our 2023 1st, and given his penchant for overpaying in deals and our need to replenish the farm system, that's a very bad combo.

yep, I hate losing firsts unless it solidifies a cup run. Are there no suitable backup goaltenders out there to spell Sorokin for 30 games to perhaps get a top line player for Varly? What is Geisser up to?

 

[periferal]

Yup, you are right, they are not good enough to win a Cup. It's that middle ground we seem to be stuck in. My frustration is that we seem to not be able to get that Sniper Winger Here for Two Decades now and it seems like Ziggy was the last time we had that Legit Threat every shift from the wing. Have to find top end talent someplace and it seems it must come from the Draft cause this trend of swinging and missing is abysmal...

The middle ground is literally the worst place to be. Aside from the Blues who had the best goalie performance of the past 20 years, every other team that won a Cup sucked to the point of a few top picks before they won the Cup.

Most every time "middling teams" like Columbus, Winnipeg, etc never get close to a Cup.

 

[The Real JT]

FWIW, Weekes just said we have 4 incoming transactions. Could still be right about that

I’ll state the obvious but that’s a forgone conclusion and may turn out to be a nothing burger.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

lol

 

[MarsTBOW]

There are 14 teams over the Cap, so maybe there is a deal that can help. I just can't see trading any more Draft picks....

 

[isles55]

Lou really needed to push hard for either Debrincat or Fiala. It would’ve been difficult considering our lack of cap space, but a core of Barzal, Debrincat/Fiala, Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, and Sorokin would have a cup window for the next five years at least.

Instead, we’re still debating whether or not this team should rebuild.

 

[GOLFWANG]

I mean we can't really add that much cap ourselves so I think this is the team most likely maybe a league minimum type signing.

 

[Glorydays22]

Relieved - Never wanted Kadri as he's not good enough and that contract will be scary in a few years.

Sad - Looks like another failed offseason where once again Lou is doing to trot out a "not good enough" lineup in 22-23.

Scared - I'd say this increases the chances of Lou dealing our 2023 1st, and given his penchant for overpaying in deals and our need to replenish the farm system, that's a very bad combo.

This is so dead on! I'm so scared now what Lou is going to do in a panic. He's going to give up our 1st in 23 and other young pieces and he's going to get ripped off by the likes of Van or Chicago.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Lou really needed to push hard for either Debrincat or Fiala. It would’ve been difficult considering our lack of cap space, but a core of Barzal, Debrincat/Fiala, Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, and Sorokin would have a cup window for the next five years at least.

Instead, we’re still debating whether or not this team should rebuild.

But to do that would have costed our 1st Round Pick and we have that Hole in our D Where Romanov fits....