Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[MJF]

Weekes saying Klingberg to ANA on a one year 7M deal?

I honestly would have been in on that if I was the GM of the New York Islanders (which I’m not but should be).

Islanders:
Pelech-Klingberg
Dobson-Pulock
Romanov-Mayfield
Aho

Baby Islanders:
Salo-Hutton
Bolduc-X

John Klingberg can't be the highest paid defenseman on any team. Not even for 3 weeks, let alone 1 year.

 

[19 in a row]

Delete; I thought Palmieri had a M-NTC but not until next year.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I will go one further. Since Lou waited too long to clear space (and didnt even consider moving Varlamov in a goalie market that would have been real beneficial to us), then I would just as soon we run it back and perhaps add a middling forward with some upside to "add to the mix" and a LD to battle with Salo with our limited cap space after signing our three RFA's. Would much rather go this route than OVERPAY for Kadri. Especially now that is likely going to cost assets to move someone out...

Tarasenko and Miller likely aren't going anywhere. So unless Patrik Kaine suddenly becomes available, then we struck out again on the difference makers. Our best bet is to hope that Lambert finds an even balance with the offense and put Palms/Beau/Wahlstrom (2 of the 3) on Barzal's line and see what happens. ALL SEASON, none of this 10-20 day trial shit, let them figure it out. Move Parise to the bottom pairing and bury Martin so we have some scoring punch on line 4. Get a long look at the UFA you bring in (Milano, Rodrigues) and Bellows in the top 9 mix....Move away from identity line more and give your horses (Barzal, Lee, Nelson, Palms, Wahlstrom, Pags, Beau) more minutes and do the same with your 5 leading D men (Dobson, Pelech, Pulock, Romanov and Mayfield in that order) while eventually seeing what you have with both Salo and Hutton as the season wares on.

Of course I am more and more convinced each passing day that Lou already has Kadri signed....ugh

 

[GOLFWANG]

Beau is most likely to be moved because he is probably more attractive than Bailey in many ways . We are at a disadvantage we really just can't pick and choose who we want to move, I mean we can but it would cost us assets most likely. So if it is moving Beau to get something decent I would rather do that than trade Bailey and another 1st to get nothing really.

 

[seafoam]

John Klingberg can't be the highest paid defenseman on any team. Not even for 3 weeks, let alone 1 year.

7M is about 1M overpaid for him which can be chalk up to UFA tax.

Having two smooth skating right shot D who have the potential to put up 50+ points would completely transform the back end.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

What about Palmieri with his M-NTC? Bailey at $5M AAV and Beau 7. years younger at $4.15M AAV, neither with trade protection make sense as options if we are going to upgrade as we would need to shed salary to add a high price scorer. Bellows alone would not free up enough space. However, no one seems to be mentioning the possibility of Palmieri who has a 16 team M-NTC. Yes, he has carried us for short periods when he gets hot but far and few in between. I remember some Devils fans warning us that he is frustrating when we got him, yet he seems to have avoided scrutiny. He has gone cold for long periods , has other holes and defenses lapses (I still blame him first and foremost for the shorthanded goal in game 7 due to his turnover and his positioning when the goal was scored). After 5 straight years of at least 24 goals per year with the Devils, he has had 25 goals (15 last year) and 54 points in his last two seasons (only 110 games, 18.6 goals per 82 games and .49 PPG). In his first 5 years with Anaheim he never had more than 14 goals. He is two years removed from having 5 straight years of at least 24 goals per season with the Devils .Last year 33 pts (15G,18A) in 69 games. If you think he will return to 20+ goals maybe you can argue for him but if I had to trade one of our forwards with $4M plus AAV I would prefer it to be Palmieri. (maybe I am also partial to our home grown guys, I fully admit that).

He has been disappointing, but I fully expect him to bounce back...

He had 26 points in his last 40 games (14-12) which is a per82 of 29-25-54, so I am optimistic.....

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Get it done Stealth!

Lou's final chance....

Now we can actually talk about a real difference maker instead of all this Kadri talk.

And yes, even with his age; with an extension; I would in fact trade my 2023 1st rounder for him.....

 

[seafoam]

Lou's final chance....

Now we can actually talk about a real difference maker instead of all this Kadri talk.

And yes, even with his age; with an extension; I would in fact trade my 2023 1st rounder for him.....

If Kane were willing to waive (and sign an extension here), I would basically trade anything up front except Barzal for him.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Beau is most likely to be moved because he is probably more attractive than Bailey in many ways . We are at a disadvantage we really just can't pick and choose who we want to move, I mean we can but it would cost us assets most likely. So if it is moving Beau to get something decent I would rather do that than trade Bailey and another 1st to get nothing really.

Under no reality are you having to attach a 1st round pick with Bailey.....even in this cap-space limited market....

 

[PK Cronin]

Weekes saying Klingberg to ANA on a one year 7M deal?

I honestly would have been in on that if I was the GM of the New York Islanders (which I’m not but should be).

Islanders:
Pelech-Klingberg
Dobson-Pulock
Romanov-Mayfield
Aho

Baby Islanders:
Salo-Hutton
Bolduc-X

Klingberg cannot be on a top pairing for a playoff team, ideally he's a bottom pairing guy.

 

[seafoam]

Klingberg cannot be on a top pairing for a playoff team, ideally he's a bottom pairing guy.

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Dobson
Klingberg-Mayfield

 

[PK Cronin]

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Dobson
Klingberg-Mayfield

Definitely better, but how does a team justify $7M for a bottom pairing guy power play specialist? Also, not a huge deal, but Klingberg is RD I think. Not sure how good he is on the opposite side.

 

[seafoam]

Definitely better, but how does a team justify $7M for a bottom pairing guy power play specialist? Also, not a huge deal, but Klingberg is RD I think. Not sure how good he is on the opposite side.

He is RD but I'm not concerned about handedness if he's playing bottom pairing minutes at even strength with Mayfield. He's a good enough skater to have recoverability, plus he's not a Shattenkirk-esque pylon IMO. Yeah he has a down season, but that was playing under Bowness, who really f***ed the Stars up. Klingberg's a good D man, he reminds me of Streit.

As far as the cap hit, think of him him and Mayfield combined as an elite 3rd pairing. That's about 3.5M per D man for one season, surely not a bargain but also not the risk that Kadri would come with.

 

[19 in a row]

He has been disappointing, but I fully expect him to bounce back...

He had 26 points in his last 40 games (14-12) which is a per82 of 29-25-54, so I am optimistic.....

I was mistaken, Palmieri still has a full no trade clause until next year when it goes to a M-NTC. So he is likely not another trade option for this year. I hope you are right that he returns to 20+ goals. but I do find him frustrating. Very hot and cold. Not sure he could keep up that pace for 82 games but one could hope. If Palmieri returns to 25+ goals, Beau /Barzy/ Wahlstrom hit 20 and Bellow contributes to scoring this year as a 3rd/4th liner this year and GA improves, we might have enough forward scoring already, but that remains to be seen, big "IF"

 

[GOLFWANG]

Under no reality are you having to attach a 1st round pick with Bailey.....even in this cap-space limited market....

Then it should be rather simple to make cap space but a GM just said the other day it isn't easy at all. So you think a team right now would take Bailey?

Because my point was you can't pick and choose which player you want to lose if you are in cap trouble. so if no one wants Bailey and everyone is trying to get rid of Bailey you would need to add an asset for people to want him.

 

[PK Cronin]

Then it should be rather simple to make cap space but a GM just said the other day it isn't easy at all. So you think a team right now would take Bailey?

I think when you're attempting to move these players matters, so right now I don't think Bailey would be taken as easily. Pretty sure we heard that GMs weren't interested in helping the Flyers land Gaudreau by taking their salary dumps on the cheap and I think that mentality is holding throughout the league right now. Nobody wants to help other teams land Gaudreau, Kadri, Tkachuk, etc. for free. As teams start to settle in with their rosters I think they'll be more inclined to make some of these trades for the Bailey types if it helps their roster for the season and they know they aren't going to be making any other moves.

 

[MJF]

7M is about 1M overpaid for him which can be chalk up to UFA tax.

Having two smooth skating right shot D who have the potential to put up 50+ points would completely transform the back end.

Klingberg can’t come to the Islanders and make more than Pelech. You don’t want him to throw our salary structure out of whack.

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Dobson
Klingberg-Mayfield

Dobson will partner with Pelech before 2022 is done.

 

[seabass45]

He is RD but I'm not concerned about handedness if he's playing bottom pairing minutes at even strength with Mayfield. He's a good enough skater to have recoverability, plus he's not a Shattenkirk-esque pylon IMO. Yeah he has a down season, but that was playing under Bowness, who really f***ed the Stars up. Klingberg's a good D man, he reminds me of Streit.

As far as the cap hit, think of him him and Mayfield combined as an elite 3rd pairing. That's about 3.5M per D man for one season, surely not a bargain but also not the risk that Kadri would come with.

Think most d-men have a strong preference of which side they play, and Klingberg is going to be playing for his next contract, he’s going to want to play on the side he feels most comfortable with.

 

[Throttle]

I honestly would have been in on that if I was the GM of the New York Islanders (which I’m not but should be).

We've reached this point of the summer and desperation...

Get it done Stealth!

but wait, how about the Isles rumored to be moving Bailey and Varly? Even the 'name drop for clicks' on JG? Please tell us more, please.

 

[WangMustGo]

Definitely better, but how does a team justify $7M for a bottom pairing guy power play specialist? Also, not a huge deal, but Klingberg is RD I think. Not sure how good he is on the opposite side.

I would much rather trade for Sandin.

 

[RWWallpaper]

I would love Kane but there’s no way he doesn’t end up on the Rangers if he’s traded…

 

[xECK29x]

 

[danteipp]

I would love Kane but there’s no way he doesn’t end up on the Rangers if he’s traded…

Agreed. Kane controls his own destiny so, if he gets moved, it is to the Rags so he can play with his lil buddy Breadman. Maybe with Kane holding his hand, Bread won't turn moldy again and face the wrath of GM Drury.

If Chicago is shopping him now, it is probably just to gauge what they can get back later.

Hopefully Chicago at least clears out the last few decent prospects the Raggies have in Schneider and Othmann.

I hope they don't settle for scabs like Kakko and Kraptsov (who will almost definitely pout his way out of a rebuild in Chicago). Or one-dimensional bums like Lundkvist and Zac Jones, who is going to get abused in the NHL.

And put me down for ZERO interest in Captain Coverup, who is essentially the last man standing in Chicago and will finally maybe want out now that all of his goombas are gone.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Then it should be rather simple to make cap space but a GM just said the other day it isn't easy at all. So you think a team right now would take Bailey?

Because my point was you can't pick and choose which player you want to lose if you are in cap trouble. so if no one wants Bailey and everyone is trying to get rid of Bailey you would need to add an asset for people to want him.

Yes, it will likely take an asset this late in the process and with the cap space limited where it is for most teams, that and/or retention. That does not mean however that it would even come close to involving a 1st round pick

 

[periferal]

Each hour rooting for a team to announce that Kadri has signed...

(...Because I know if a team does it won't be the Isles.)


Yet with each passing moment I just *know* we signed him (or have agreed to terms, but not signed until Lou trades Bailey for a 6th rounder), and I get more depressed.