Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[lafellaesobar]

He's young, has good size, scores at a decent enough clip, drives play and likely won't cost a lot. Depending on what happens this summer, he could be a nice fit in our middle 6 .

If I were Lou, I'd be interested.

watch his skating: its awful. i understand why you'd like him, but it sucks. dude looks like a really early version of ValNuke

 

[MJF]

IN:
Gates Orlando (fmr long time Dir. of Amateur Scouting for Devils)
Rod Pelly (Player Development coach)
(I remember us always having Analytics people but I don't know if any of these are new as of this season, I don't track those closely for EHM)

Analytics	Frank Gardner
Analytics	Alex Martynov
Analytics	Taran Singleton
Analytics	Sal Tornambene
Analytics	Kelly Keogh
Analytics	Samuel Forstner

Out:
Dennis Maxwell (Amateur scout since 2013)
Matti Kautto (European scout since 2013)
Ken Gernander (Fmr long time Head Coach in Hartford, Isles Amateur scout since 2018)

What also might be a change from last year:
Trent Klatt is now Dir of Amateur Scouting (Kautonen listed as head amateur scout)

Overall the Isles hockey operations department is still much smaller compared to other NHL teams.

Good find. Thanks.

 

[seabass45]

He's young, has upside, good size, scores at a decent enough clip, drives play and likely won't cost a lot. Depending on what happens this summer, he could be a nice fit in our middle 6 .

If I were Lou, I'd be interested.

Oilers fans don’t mind dropping him after getting a prime opportunity to play with McDavid and Drai. They’re calling him a “play killer” over there. That’s a massive red flag.

 

[LeapOnOver]

The position IS the argument tho. What just happened doesn't prove anything. Almost every team in the league could use a dman like McDonough...even at his high cap hit.

Question is, who the heck is interested in a Josh Bailey?? What GM's do you think are calling Lou asking about Bailey?? lol please. His cap hit is a huge turn off. At best, there MAY be less than a small handful of teams interested. At best!
If GMs are calling, it's for Varlamov.

I'm not even a Bailey hater, just being realistic. There isn't much of a market for 15 goal forwards who eat 5M of cap space. I could be wrong but I just don't see a deal being made without something else being added to sweeten the pot.

Sounds like you have two points, 1 i agree with, 1 i don't.
A. There's no market for Josh Bailey. No one is trying to acquire him.
B. He'll need sweeteners to trade.

I agree with A, that no one is contacting LL about him. But that doesn't mean that LL can't find a match. Just means he's not in demand. And if he does find a match, I don't think B will be necessary at all

 

[Lights911]

Lou should be all over these Puljujarvi talks.

 

[Sheva7]

Sounds like you have two points, 1 i agree with, 1 i don't.
A. There's no market for Josh Bailey. No one is trying to acquire him.
B. He'll need sweeteners to trade.

I agree with A, that no one is contacting LL about him. But that doesn't mean that LL can't find a match. Just means he's not in demand. And if he does find a match, I don't think B will be necessary at all

Im curious...If you had to guess, what would you say are the chances Lou finds a match without adding sweetener or taking salary back?

Let's use the 1 to 10 scale.
1 being extremely unlikely to find a match and 10 being extremely likely to find a match.

I'd say it's about a 2.

 

[PK Cronin]

Incorrect!!! lmao, no bud I'm right, you will see.

Even if I grant you that his deal is in-line with those other guys...so what?? Palmeri and Pageau are in-line with him too. Who the heck is calling Lou asking about them??

Hornqvist was the only guy on ur list that was traded recently...after playing a key role in winning Pittsburgh 2 cups!! And his trade didn't result in any cap relief, which is what we need.

Believing that Bailey won't be difficult to move this offseason is just typical rose tinted glass wearing Isles Fan wishful thinking. Varlamov is going to be the one to go. I don't know how else to say it. I hope I'm wrong.

Well, neither Palmieri or Pageau or on the trade block, so nobody would be calling about them. That seems fairly obvious. If his deal is in line with others, that's means his deal can't be bad since everyone else at the same production level gets the same deal. Not to mention, he's owed less than his cap hit in real money and that's a big factor in trading sometimes.

Why do I care if Hornqvist was the only guy recently traded? The other guys don't have value and couldn't possibly be traded because their contracts suck?

Shitting on Bailey is just irrational hate.

Im curious...If you had to guess, what would you say are the chances Lou finds a match without adding sweetener or taking salary back?

Let's use the 1 to 10 scale.
1 being extremely unlikely to find a match and 10 being extremely likely to find a match.

I'd say it's about a 2.

If he's traded there will be no sweetener attached, unless it's for something of significantly great value. In any deal that is just to clear salary, there will be no sweetener. I'd put it at 9 on your scale.

 

[PWJunior]

I did a site search on "Dobson" and it's amusing how obsessed some Vancouver fans are with young Noah. Apparently he was there for the taking last year for Boeser or whatever asset they wanted to give up for him. Haha. Here's a clue folks, he has NEVER been available.

 

[doublechili]

Dillon is likely too. Won't cost much either.

I hadn't thought of him. He played almost 19 mins a night and was a plus player. Seems like he'd be a good fit with Dobson. But they definitely would need to get a PMD for the 3rd pair (or be confident Salo is ready).

 

[doublechili]

IN:
Gates Orlando (fmr long time Dir. of Amateur Scouting for Devils)
Rod Pelly (Player Development coach)
(I remember us always having Analytics people but I don't know if any of these are new as of this season, I don't track those closely for EHM)

Analytics	Frank Gardner
Analytics	Alex Martynov
Analytics	Taran Singleton
Analytics	Sal Tornambene
Analytics	Kelly Keogh
Analytics	Samuel Forstner

Out:
Dennis Maxwell (Amateur scout since 2013)
Matti Kautto (European scout since 2013)
Ken Gernander (Fmr long time Head Coach in Hartford, Isles Amateur scout since 2018)

What also might be a change from last year:
Trent Klatt is now Dir of Amateur Scouting (Kautonen listed as head amateur scout)

Overall the Isles hockey operations department is still much smaller compared to other NHL teams.

Analytics

Alex Martynov

I wonder what Martynov thinks of Mateychuk and Mintyukov?

 

[duster19]

Avs fans seem to think they’ll keep Girard and move one of their LD to the right side. They’ve also floated him as a trade possibility but only if they can get a second line center. So basically they’ll probably keep him.

I’m not sure trading with Joe Sakic is a good idea.

 

[lafellaesobar]

I did a site search on "Dobson" and it's amusing how obsessed some Vancouver fans are with young Noah. Apparently he was there for the taking last year for Boeser or whatever asset they wanted to give up for him. Haha. Here's a clue folks, he has NEVER been available.

not being traded unless they offer Miller+Woo+picks

 

[LeapOnOver]

Im curious...If you had to guess, what would you say are the chances Lou finds a match without adding sweetener or taking salary back?

Let's use the 1 to 10 scale.
1 being extremely unlikely to find a match and 10 being extremely likely to find a match.

I'd say it's about a 2.

Again, you keep adding things together.
Chances of Lou finding a trade partner: 50%
Chance of Bailey needing a sweetener in whatever LL decides: 10% (he just won't trade him if he has to add a sweetener, because he shouldn't have to)

 

[WangMustGo]

not being traded unless they offer Miller+Woo+picks

I wouldnt even consider trading him for that.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Updating staff lists for my EHM work it looks like the Isles made some changes to their scouting staff, I also see a much bigger Analytics department as well.

Are we getting up to league average in terms of staff.

 

[SI]

not being traded unless they offer Miller+Woo+picks

That package is garbage.

 

[SI]

Incorrect!!! lmao, no bud I'm right, you will see.

Even if I grant you that his deal is in-line with those other guys...so what?? Palmeri and Pageau are in-line with him too. Who the heck is calling Lou asking about them??

Hornqvist was the only guy on ur list that was traded recently...after playing a key role in winning Pittsburgh 2 cups!! And his trade didn't result in any cap relief, which is what we need.

Believing that Bailey won't be difficult to move this offseason is just typical rose tinted glass wearing Isles Fan wishful thinking. Varlamov is going to be the one to go. I don't know how else to say it. I hope I'm wrong.

Viktor Ardvison is your example - more years and more term and had 3 seasons of mediocre play.

There is value in Bailey - I think there is a possibility out there for a deal for picks - similar to what we have seen the last season in a half - McDonough is the latest example
OR

A trade for someone with a comparable contract, earlier this spring I mentioned Nate Schmidt (slightly higher cap hit with a extra year) and Brendan Dillon (lower cap hit with the same number of years but more actual cash due and a signing bonus).


I think people point to Arizona because they need to reach the floor and a cap hit with lower actual $ can be enticing for them. And they have plenty of picks to spare - can’t draft and sign everyone.
The lower actual $ allows a team like Arizona to eat half the contract and then trade the player at the deadline from more assets. Bailey at 2.5 At the deadline may be enticing for a team.

 

[SI]

Hague is really intriguing and I think Vegas is in a tough spot. They can try move Martinez to make space BUT he has a NTC.

According to Jeff Marek, VGK will have to throw the hammer down with him for one more season because he does not have arbitration rights but he can be given an offer sheet.

There is a possibility that VGK would be amenable to a trade for picks because they already have 8 D without Hague and they still need to re up Roy, Kolesar, and resign Reilly smith as well as sort out their goaltending.

I really like the idea of Hague, I'd pair him with Pulock and stick Pelech with Dobson. Salo with Mayfield on the 3rd pair. If Mayfield gets traded then I do like Hutton, but we could find a veteran stop gap to replace him.

 

[SI]

Avs fans seem to think they’ll keep Girard and move one of their LD to the right side. They’ve also floated him as a trade possibility but only if they can get a second line center. So basically they’ll probably keep him.

I think they are a bit delusional. Girard is not landing them a 2C. They have been lurking around JT Miller, but they already may have their own homegrown 2C in Newhook.

They could try to resign Kuemper, but I think they may find it best to move on… he did the job, but I don’t think they can expect that again with his health and inconsistency.

Moving Girard for Varly - frees money up to resign Nichuskin.

The deal should be looked at like -
Nichuskin and Varly
For
Kuemper and Girard


Then the extra $ left in their cap situation can address another need

 

[lafellaesobar]

That package is garbage.

okay then everything from vancouver for Dobson

 

[xECK29x]

Are we getting up to league average in terms of staff.

No still on the smaller side of hockey operations departments, but you look at some of the titles some of these teams have (Toronto especially) and you are left asking “so what exactly do you do here?”

 

[xECK29x]

okay then everything from vancouver for Dobson

Very few teams have the assets to replace Dobson as it stands right now. I love Woo but he may not even be an NHLer at this point.

 

[Goulet17]

I think they are a bit delusional. Girard is not landing them a 2C. They have been lurking around JT Miller, but they already may have their own homegrown 2C in Newhook.

They could try to resign Kuemper, but I think they may find it best to move on… he did the job, but I don’t think they can expect that again with his health and inconsistency.

Moving Girard for Varly - frees money up to resign Nichuskin.

The deal should be looked at like -
Nichuskin and Varly
For
Kuemper and Girard


Then the extra $ left in their cap situation can address another need

Girard is a 24 year old defenseman signed for five more years, Varly is a 35 year old goalie signed for one more year. Surely you understand the difference in value that this creates? Colorado has nearly $26 MM in cap space currently and MacKinnon's extension is already covered by Erik Johnson's expiring contract next season. Kadri, Burakovsky, and Manson will not be re-signed. Cap space is not really the issue for Colorado, it is more of an issue of Sakic's history to not enter into bad contracts.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Very few teams have the assets to replace Dobson as it stands right now. I love Woo but he may not even be an NHLer at this point.

Oh he fell off their rankings also? christ what is it with some players from the 2018 2nd round?

 

[SCMURRAY]

i think Mikheyev is a name to keep an eye for

I’m not familiar with him but it’s a new guy in the organization so

Insert Mikheyev to the Isles as Beau/Bailey replacement