Roster Building XXII: Too Many Forwards, Hopefully One Cup

[UNCCHcane]

Who's our cap expert around here? Does Washington get off the hook if the contract is mutually terminated?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't put much stock in that these days, he still plays favorites and scapegoats a lot. Just like when we've got a guy who scores a breakaway goal in-game and then he puts in Staal for the f***ing SO or some bullshit and NOT the guy who scored already.

Staal shootout attempts under RBA:

18-19: zero
19-20: zero
20-21: zero
21-22: zero
22-23: zero
23-24: zero

He didn't get benched because of "favorites", he got benched because he was floating and not as engaged as he should have been.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Is it possible Kuznetsov just wants to play in a league with no taxes or drug testing and it has zero to do with the Canes?

I don't put much stock in that these days, he still plays favorites and scapegoats a lot. Just like when we've got a guy who scores a breakaway goal in-game and then he puts in Staal for the f***ing SO or some bullshit and NOT the guy who scored already.

You can’t possibly watch any of the games or you’d know that no one on the Canes has ever scored a goal on a breakaway, and Jordan Staal hasn’t had a shootout attempt since ‘Nam.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Is it possible Kuznetsov just wants to play in a league with no taxes or drug testing and it has zero to do with the Canes?

Oh certainly. Maybe the cocaine is still too much of a temptation. Didn't even think about that hahaha!

 

[Buenos Necas]

IIRC, $1m of his $3.9m this year was in signing bonus so he should have already received $1m from both us and the Caps on July 1. I'm not sure how that affects the cap during a mutual termination, we might have to carry that cap penalty but be off the hook for the $2.9m in base salary. Or maybe he can pay it back? Will be interesting to see how that plays out but I would think this at least clears $2.9m.

 

[DaveG]

Who's our cap expert around here? Does Washington get off the hook if the contract is mutually terminated?

yes, they also would get the cap relief, just like they'd get the full brunt of (their half of) the cap penalty if it were a full-on buyout.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Is it possible Kuznetsov just wants to play in a league with no taxes or drug testing and it has zero to do with the Canes?


You can’t possibly watch any of the games or you’d know that no one on the Canes has ever scored a goal on a breakaway, and Jordan Staal hasn’t had a shootout attempt since ‘Nam.

I think there's a very good chance he wants a lifestyle change, possibly in many ways. Even with as accepted as he was here, he was constantly under the microscope by everyone it felt like and the almost certainly by the league behind the scenes. He can go live and play where he's likely comfortable, in a league that's easier for him to play in, and if he's still into it, indulge himself in other ways that he wouldn't be able to here. And he can still be well compensated on top of that. If things go as presented so far, at least it seems like everyone would be parting ways on good terms.

 

[WreckingCrew]

You can’t possibly watch any of the games or you’d know that no one on the Canes has ever scored a goal on a breakaway, and Jordan Staal hasn’t had a shootout attempt since ‘Nam.

I know it wasn't actually Staal (meant as hyperbole), but I can't remember exactly who because we've not done a ton of shootouts in recent years. I just remember we had Jarvy maybe? playing like a mad-man getting scoring chances and then we put in like Burns/TT/Slavin/Martinook or something odd and didn't even come close to a single goal in the SO

 

[Stickpucker]

I don't get why people want to drag Kuzys name through the mud.

We got some good birdman moments.

Like Kuzy always says:
CAw caw mudda fukkaz!

 

[cptjeff]

Not gonna lie, having him back after a good offseason of getting in shape was definitely something I was hoping for, and could really have helped the team. I'm pretty disappointed if this turns out to be true, and makes it even more of a re-tool year.

But it does help answer why we've signed so many forwards.

 

[Lempo]

Who's our cap expert around here? Does Washington get off the hook if the contract is mutually terminated?

There's the thing with the suspected circumvention stuff that the League like to play favorites in who gets to circumvent and who gets the book thrown at them even when they're not circumventing, so cases like this are hard to predict how they will be spun out by the powers that be.

Not that I want to whine about stuff, but there was a healthy dose of creative interpretation in how the League nixed our (second) TDA trade with Philly.

 

[cptjeff]

There's the thing with the suspected circumvention stuff that the League like to play favorites in who gets to circumvent and who gets the book thrown at them even when they're not circumventing, so cases like this are hard to predict how they will be spun out by the powers that be.

Ottawa will forfeit a pick.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Good to see no sling or anything. Things about to get wild at the Aho nuptials.

He can sign and execute his new contract via fax like Aho.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Man, the worst part is that Kuzy decided to wait until now to make this decision. He couldn’t have done this a few weeks earlier and opened up some space for us to sign our departing UFAs?

 

[Stickpucker]

Man, the worst part is that Kuzy decided to wait until now to make this decision. He couldn’t have done this a few weeks earlier and opened up some space for us to sign our departing UFAs?

Are we sure about this rumor?

If so why would he have been at the prospect camp hanging out?

 

[chaz4hockey]

Drink every time you hear: (insert synonym for large) step back, over the next 3 months.

f*** i hate the offseason

Well, I supposed it's a legit concern but given our signings and returning guys should be less of an issue.

Jersey may be the favored child but I'm thinking we may not be that far behind and should be very competitive.

Put me in the camp that would be happy if Kuzy left for Ru....it opens up more cap space and a slot for a young players (probably means KK staying is a certainty too).

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

What remains is largely the same forward group that has resulted in multiple 110+ point seasons.

The in-season trade market is there to improve it for the playoffs. Assuming termination, this puts them in a position to accrue space potentially for something meaningful.

The optimism is astounding, even in the face of harsh reality

Surely you dont foresee another 110 point season right?

Well, I supposed it's a legit concern but given our signings and returning guys should be less of an issue.

Jersey may be the favored child but I'm thinking we may not be that far behind and should be very competitive.

Put me in the camp that would be happy if Kuzy left for Ru....it opens up more cap space and a slot for a young players (probably means KK staying is a certainty too).

Generally when teams lose six starters, things are going to change

 

[SlavinAway]

The optimism is astounding, even in the face of harsh reality

Surely you dont foresee another 110 point season right?

You're still here?!

 

[AD Skinner]

You're still here?!

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

You're still here?!

I am.. but Guentzel Teravainen Noesen Pesce Skjei and seemingly Kuznetsov arent

A regression doesnt mean missing the playoffs.. but talking about past 110 point seasons? Thats just not in any way realistic

Jarvis and Necas havent even been signed and bringing Necas another year closer to UFA with a bridge lowers his value further

Just seriously unsure what the goal is here - seems like Tulsky is out of his element handling the offseason this soon. To not get one of your RFAs done beforehand?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Who's our cap expert around here? Does Washington get off the hook if the contract is mutually terminated?

if other buyouts are any indication, no they do not but i havent seen a mutual buyout after a retention.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know it wasn't actually Staal (meant as hyperbole), but I can't remember exactly who because we've not done a ton of shootouts in recent years. I just remember we had Jarvy maybe? playing like a mad-man getting scoring chances and then we put in like Burns/TT/Slavin/Martinook or something odd and didn't even come close to a single goal in the SO

Just for reference, here are the shootout numbers for the Canes over the last 4 seasons:

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Man, the worst part is that Kuzy decided to wait until now to make this decision. He couldn’t have done this a few weeks earlier and opened up some space for us to sign our departing UFAs?

lets be honest, we werent going to offer those deals to those guys anyways.

 

[MinJaBen]

Just for reference, here are the shootout numbers for the Canes over the last 4 seasons:

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Regular season only, right?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Regular season only, right?

The shoot out only exists in the regular season.

This doesn't include penalty shots from what I can tell.