Roster Building XXII: Too Many Forwards, Hopefully One Cup

[AD Skinner]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1812912173221364182

Kuzy come back

You can blame it all on me

 

[Francis10]

So Kuzy is back…..maybe. Or maybe he is playing in Russia……maybe. Glad the agent cleared that up.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

the agent is just playing it safe to prevent it from looking like he sought out a deal for his client under the NHL's nose without a transfer agreement.

 

[DaveG]

SKA can have him back, but they know the price. BOOM motherf***ers

 

[Lempo]

Good to see no sling or anything. Things about to get wild at the Aho nuptials.

He can sign and execute his new contract via fax like Aho.

Confirm, the steeple of the Center Björnborg church in the background (Koko Miami's hometown).

 

[Blueline Bomber]

lets be honest, we werent going to offer those deals to those guys anyways.

Rod seems to have thought we could have kept some of them if we weren’t holding money for Guenztal. So assumedly, the $3.1 we’d have gotten from Kuzy might have also allowed some more negotiation breathing room.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I am.. but Guentzel Teravainen Noesen Pesce Skjei and seemingly Kuznetsov arent

A regression doesnt mean missing the playoffs.. but talking about past 110 point seasons? Thats just not in any way realistic

Jarvis and Necas havent even been signed and bringing Necas another year closer to UFA with a bridge lowers his value further

Just seriously unsure what the goal is here - seems like Tulsky is out of his element handling the offseason this soon. To not get one of your RFAs done beforehand?

I see you brought a black hawk poster along for the ride.

Key item for you to understand, Jarvis and Necas are GOING to be signed, they not going anywhere and even If Necas is one more year closer to leaving it won’t Inpact next years results.

1) Carrier>Noesen
2) Incoming D < Skjei & Pesce but many Canes fans believe Pesce is a declining asset. Falloff may not be significant
3) TT is on the career decline but we will miss his D responsibility. I’d thinking Roslovic is going to be RBA’s target for replacing that D/PK value (TT’s goals were front loaded and he was/has been for a bit meh in playoffs last 2 years)
4) Jarvis and in particular Svetch in 2nd year after major knee surgery will improve and be more productive
5) Some young player will make his mark

 

[LakeLivin]

Regular season only, right?

The shoot out only exists in the regular season.

This doesn't include penalty shots from what I can tell.

Must not, how can you forget Kuzy's slo-mo penalty shot against the Isles?

 

[MinJaBen]

The shoot out only exists in the regular season.

This doesn't include penalty shots from what I can tell.

I knew that before I posted. It was probably a too subtle attempt at humor on my part.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I knew that before I posted. It was probably a too subtle attempt at humor on my part.

Before I posted the table, I tried checking to see if it was Shoot-outs and Penalty shots or just shoot-outs, so I thought maybe that's what you were getting at.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

I see you brought a black hawk poster along for the ride.

Key item for you to understand, Jarvis and Necas are GOING to be signed, they not going anywhere and even If Necas is one more year closer to leaving it won’t Inpact next years results.

1) Carrier>Noesen
2) Incoming D < Skjei & Pesce but many Canes fans believe Pesce is a declining asset. Falloff may not be significant
3) TT is on the career decline but we will miss his D responsibility. I’d thinking Roslovic is going to be RBA’s target for replacing that D/PK value (TT’s goals were front loaded and he was/has been for a bit meh in playoffs last 2 years)
4) Jarvis and in particular Svetch in 2nd year after major knee surgery will improve and be more productive
5) Some young player will make his mark

Two guys who were playing 20 a night were lost for lesser talents; theres no spin to be put on it, losing an entire second pair affects a large part of the defense, whether they were declining or not; plus idk many 30yos who fall off but its possible

What makes Carrier better than Noesen besides game pace? He needs to actually be healthy enough to play the full-82 to outproduce Stefan

Jarvis will be seeing a larger responsibility and itll negate the improvements he likely makes; most 22yos dont elevate entire lines themselves after little to no experience doing so prior

The regression is being downplayed but I think its because nobody wanted this so its just your generic coping every fanbase does; what contender in the cap era saw this large a setback before winning?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The regression is being downplayed but I think its because nobody wanted this so its just your generic coping every fanbase does; what contender in the cap era saw this large a setback before winning?

Washington. Also, is your only purpose on the board to doom and gloom about the upcoming Canes team? Weird thing to do as an opposing fan.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Two guys who were playing 20 a night were lost for lesser talents; theres no spin to be put on it, losing an entire second pair affects a large part of the defense, whether they were declining or not; plus idk many 30yos who fall off but its possible

What makes Carrier better than Noesen besides game pace? He needs to actually be healthy enough to play the full-82 to outproduce Stefan

Jarvis will be seeing a larger responsibility and itll negate the improvements he likely makes; most 22yos dont elevate entire lines themselves after little to no experience doing so prior

The regression is being downplayed but I think its because nobody wanted this so its just your generic coping every fanbase does; what contender in the cap era saw this large a setback before winning?

Good night. Don’t you have devils problems to work out?

 

[Joe McGrath]

Two guys who were playing 20 a night were lost for lesser talents; theres no spin to be put on it, losing an entire second pair affects a large part of the defense, whether they were declining or not; plus idk many 30yos who fall off but its possible

What makes Carrier better than Noesen besides game pace? He needs to actually be healthy enough to play the full-82 to outproduce Stefan

Jarvis will be seeing a larger responsibility and itll negate the improvements he likely makes; most 22yos dont elevate entire lines themselves after little to no experience doing so prior

The regression is being downplayed but I think its because nobody wanted this so its just your generic coping every fanbase does; what contender in the cap era saw this large a setback before winning?

Listen, fan of team who still doesn’t get it.

They had a $100 million team last playoffs. That is more than the salary cap. They had to lose players. Its not f***ing rocket science.

 

[Chrispy]

Washington. Also, is your only purpose on the board to doom and gloom about the upcoming Canes team? Weird thing to do as an opposing fan.

There's even a more recent example:

Florida was the President's Trophy winner in 2022. Swept in the second round by Tampa. Lost Chiarot and Giroux as rentals and Marchment as a UFA, and then traded Huberdeau and Weegar. That's 2 top 6 forwards, another top 9 forward, and 2 top 4 D. They were also down Duclair for most of the season due to an offseason achilles injury.

They squeaked into the playoffs as the 8 seed before shocking the world and going on that playoff run. But they certainly took a step back for a good portion of the 22-23 season from the 21-22 #1 seed.

 

[Bub]

You're still here?!

We've got our own Great Gazoo.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Washington. Also, is your only purpose on the board to doom and gloom about the upcoming Canes team? Weird thing to do as an opposing fan.

Yeah we have plenty of that already.

 

[Tryamw]

That won't make Washington happy

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

As @Anton Dubinchuk said the other day, just follow the directions in his username and stop feeding him.

We all expect the team to take a step back and regress some. The "positive" spin is more about not agreeing with some of the most dire predictions. Everyone understands that we are going to miss some of the guys that were here for the entire season, particularly Skjei, Pesce and TT.

It's time for some of our "drafting and developing" to start paying off. It might not this year, but I'm sure the Canes look at it as setting the table for future years. What could offset some of the loss at F is Svech, Necas (if he's signed) and KK having a bounce back year. Defense is likely going to take a hit.

 

[Svechhammer]

There's even a more recent example:

Florida was the President's Trophy winner in 2022. Swept in the second round by Tampa. Lost Chiarot and Giroux as rentals and Marchment as a UFA, and then traded Huberdeau and Weegar. That's 2 top 6 forwards, another top 9 forward, and 2 top 4 D. They were also down Duclair for most of the season due to an offseason achilles injury.

They squeaked into the playoffs as the 8 seed before shocking the world and going on that playoff run. But they certainly took a step back for a good portion of the 22-23 season from the 21-22 #1 seed.

Leaving out the return on that trade is certainly a choice

Let me know when we do something similar.

 

[Stickpucker]

Two guys who were playing 20 a night were lost for lesser talents; theres no spin to be put on it, losing an entire second pair affects a large part of the defense, whether they were declining or not; plus idk many 30yos who fall off but its possible

What makes Carrier better than Noesen besides game pace? He needs to actually be healthy enough to play the full-82 to outproduce Stefan

Jarvis will be seeing a larger responsibility and itll negate the improvements he likely makes; most 22yos dont elevate entire lines themselves after little to no experience doing so prior

The regression is being downplayed but I think its because nobody wanted this so its just your generic coping every fanbase does; what contender in the cap era saw this large a setback before winning?

 

[Chrispy]

Leaving out the return on that trade is certainly a choice

Let me know when we do something similar.

Still down multiple top 6 forwards net.

Yes it was a bold move. One Carolina tried to make. But you can’t argue they gave up a hell of a lot of production in addition to what was lost in free agency.

 

[Borsig]

I'd like to see Kuzy back. It helps orlov.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Washington. Also, is your only purpose on the board to doom and gloom about the upcoming Canes team? Weird thing to do as an opposing fan.

When did Washington have something similar? Its possible I dont remember but idt their turnover was that great - Chicago did as well but it was after they won

And like ive said before, its just hockey talk; if I was shitting on the Hurricanes i wouldnt have been saying for the past two week they should have a Cup by now. Hard to shit on success; what im shitting on is getting over the hump

Good night. Don’t you have devils problems to work out?

They ate plenty of shit last year, so since I can still taste it ive got a good barometer for it

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Listen, fan of team who still doesn’t get it.

They had a $100 million team last playoffs. That is more than the salary cap. They had to lose players. Its not f***ing rocket science.

If you say so - the cap could have been managed differently from the beginning of this, instead of loading up six expiring contracts at once

As @Anton Dubinchuk said the other day, just follow the directions in his username and stop feeding him.

We all expect the team to take a step back and regress some. The "positive" spin is more about not agreeing with some of the most dire predictions. Everyone understands that we are going to miss some of the guys that were here for the entire season, particularly Skjei, Pesce and TT.

It's time for some of our "drafting and developing" to start paying off. It might not this year, but I'm sure the Canes look at it as setting the table for future years. What could offset some of the loss at F is Svech, Necas (if he's signed) and KK having a bounce back year. Defense is likely going to take a hit.

Carolina should still place 2nd-3rd above the Islanders; dont see how thats dire

Whats dire is Nikishin needs to get his ass over asap next summer

f***ing hot