Roster Building XX: How Many Patents Does Your GM Have?

[Stickpucker]

I'm bored.

It's been a while since we choked away game 6.

 

[hblueridgegal]

He doesn't seem too concerned either way..Greece kinda delivers that way

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

That alone is worth a late first rounder.

Read somewhere about a VAN proposal involving Hron,Hog, 1st, and some other guy whom I'm guessing is a prospect.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

All Canes talk all the time:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798449355642270092

Sean Walker mentioned as a potential target

The last bullet point is interesting to the current discussion - Pagnotta says the Canes have told some teams they don’t want to deal Necas and have engaged in trade talks with other teams.

Tulsky double-speak as it were

And she told me she had to care for her sick grandmother, but then she was tagged on instagram at trivia?!

 

[hblueridgegal]

I imagine wonder boy would be happy.

Already having rings leaves a lot of doors open as well.

 

[ElmCityGuy]

That alone is worth a late first rounder.

Read somewhere about a VAN proposal involving Hron,Hog, 1st, and some other guy whom I'm guessing is a prospect.

Luckily for the Canes fans that I'm not the GM.. no way I could turn down a deal involving Hoglander.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

if JG and Bedard could ever get up the ice that would be a crazy pair. they would get beat to crap trying to cycle in the O zone though

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I imagine wonder boy would be happy.

Already having rings leaves a lot of doors open as well.

Chicago makes sense if the Guentzel camp just wants the absolute grossest overpayment possible in UFA. If that's the case, more power to him. I have no problem with that.

 

[DaveG]

Luckily for the Canes fans that I'm not the GM.. no way I could turn down a deal involving Hoglander.

In a Necas deal I absolutely would because dude ain't shooting near that level ever again. Unless the offer was Hog + Hronek + 1st for just Necas which... No way that would be the case

 

[User13452]

Buffalo could be an interesting fit for necas. They need to start turning some prospects and picks into proven nhl guys. They have a loaded prospect pool

 

[HisIceness]

I imagine wonder boy would be happy.

Already having rings leaves a lot of doors open as well.

"Guentzel is a Midwestern guy, Chicago is a Midwestern city"

We gotta start producing some Southern hockey players so when they become UFAs the narrative becomes "Brayden Smith is a Southern guy and Carolina is a Southern team, lots of interest I'm told".

Of course it would help if "Brayden Smith" happened to be a really desirable UFA.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Buffalo could be an interesting fit for necas. They need to start turning some prospects and picks into proven nhl guys. They have a loaded prospect pool

It's not like they've had a top 10 pick 10 of the last 11 years or something.

 

[CandyCanes]

If Ullmark is the main piece coming back in the Necas deal, that'd be highly disappointing. He's not any better than Freddie, doesn't perform well in the playoffs.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Ullmark is the main piece coming back in the Necas deal, that'd be highly disappointing. He's not any better than Freddie, doesn't perform well in the playoffs.

Based on the rest of the conversation they are just saying that guess makes sense because we asked about ullmark at the deadline. The vibe was just speculation not that the conversation has been had.

 

[Joe McGrath]

He doesn't seem too concerned either way..Greece kinda delivers that way

Winning the Worlds in his home country is probably a better career highlight than winning a Stanley Cup for a Czech. Dude is on absolute cloud 9.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Chicago makes sense if the Guentzel camp just wants the absolute grossest overpayment possible in UFA. If that's the case, more power to him. I have no problem with that.

I thought he was a gamer and wanted to win. If so, Chicago doesn’t make sense and a lot of losing for at least for next few years.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I thought he was a gamer and wanted to win. If so, Chicago doesn’t make sense and a lot of losing for at least for next few years.

I think JG is going to July 1st to decide if he wants more money or to win more. Gotta see how big the money difference is between the winners and the losers. Problem is the 8 year option goes away midnight on the 30th.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I thought he was a gamer and wanted to win. If so, Chicago doesn’t make sense and a lot of losing for at least for next few years.

I think, in the end, it'll come down to winning in Carolina or a king's ransom in Chicago. Because he does have those Crosby/Malkin Cups, it will be a hard choice, but there's certainly some appeal, I think, to prove that he can win championships in his own right.

 

[Lempo]

I think JG is going to July 1st to decide if he wants more money or to win more. Gotta see how big the money difference is between the winners and the losers. Problem is the 8 year option goes away midnight on the 30th.

Isn't there window opening a couple of days before July 1 when pending UFAs are allowed to discuss with other teams?

I wss looking into combining a post about important off-season dates (1st buyout period etc), but finding out things like these w/ the exact dates for 2024 make it difficult.

 

[cptjeff]

I think JG is going to July 1st to decide if he wants more money or to win more. Gotta see how big the money difference is between the winners and the losers. Problem is the 8 year option goes away midnight on the 30th.

Players care much more about AAV than total contract value. "Getting that extra year" simply doesn't matter to a guy who fully expects that he'll be playing that extra year regardless. People here were really talking themselves into the idea that Guentzel would sign for a lot less AAV over 8 years than if he had a 7 year deal. That was always absurd.

Isn't there window opening a couple of days before July 1 when pending UFAs are allowed to discuss with other teams?

I wss looking into combining a post about important off-season dates (1st buyout period etc), but finding out things like these w/ the exact dates for 2024 make it difficult.

Not anymore, they got rid of the negotiation week for NHL reasons. It was working great, so they got rid of it.

 

[Lempo]

Not anymore, they got rid of the negotiation week for NHL reasons. It was working great, so they got rid of it.

Well. They probably don't need it as everyone seem to magically know anyway who would be getting what where and the signed extremely detailed contracts start dropping 5 minutes into the Free Agency.

I guess at least the Seravallis can't ruin it for everyone by reporting the results prior the Free Agency shows if there can't be leaks from discussions because such discussions are non-existent by order.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Isn't there window opening a couple of days before July 1 when pending UFAs are allowed to discuss with other teams?

I wss looking into combining a post about important off-season dates (1st buyout period etc), but finding out things like these w/ the exact dates for 2024 make it difficult.

It doesn’t exist anymore but it still happens. Instead of talking officially, agents and teams talk in hypotheticals now.

Hey bob (agent) if you had a 70 point winger what would you ask for on the market? Do you think that winger would accept these terms? What kind of salary and bonus structure would that player be looking for?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Players care much more about AAV than total contract value. "Getting that extra year" simply doesn't matter to a guy who fully expects that he'll be playing that extra year regardless. People here were really talking themselves into the idea that Guentzel would sign for a lot less AAV over 8 years than if he had a 7 year deal. That was always absurd.


Not anymore, they got rid of the negotiation week for NHL reasons. It was working great, so they got rid of it.

I don’t know if I could disagree more. Total contract value is always more important. You think a 30 year old is going to sacrifice money to take a bet that he will still be playing at 38? Players want to increase their length in which they earn money. If not players wouldn’t accept anything more than short term deals. At some point in each career they take the maximum amount of money available to ensure they get theirs in case of injury

Its why you see more and more players deferring money in baseball. They get paid years after they stop playing.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'll be surprised if the Canes re-sign Guentzel. I'm not saying there is no chance, but given how the Canes have operated, I don't see it for 2 reasons.
1) They don't like signing guys his age to long term deals.
2) They have a different valuation on players than the rest of the league. Guentzel won't need to get a King's Ransom (although some team may offer him that), because I suspect the Canes offer won't be competitive enough.

I'm not criticizing the Canes, nor saying this is a bad thing, but until they change their MO, I'm skeptical of it.

 

[wolfofthesteppes]