Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Off Sides]

Is this Glen Sather?

No, Sather would have signed Trouba then been gobsmacked when one of his own youth who was better asked for anything similar for any of his RFA and UFA years in a long term contract. I fear not much has changed.

 

[Ken Lund]

From the Rangers perspective, if ADA were to sign an offer sheet up to $6.3m the Rangers would gladly match it both from the salary point as well as the low compensation. In the next range the Rangers would still think that compensation is not enticing but the front office would need to figure out if something closer to the $8.4 upper limit is not excessive. This is where they might negotiate a better return with a team extending OS. However if this hypothetical goes in to over $8.5m range then I think the Rangers would fold.

Anything in that 1st and 3rd round range is what the Rangers would expect to pay anyway. If they could get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and considering they have Lundqvist coming soon it might be worth taking the picks and, I would assume, using them to get a true top pair LHD or top six forward. But I dont see Montreal doing it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

~8.4M x 5 for a young top 10 defender in scoring is probably cap space well spent. Just a little over Trouba.

The compensation, I like picks as much as anyone but if I had no plans on rebuilding, needed that sort of player/position, and was stuck in the middle, I'd trade a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for that type of defender.

$8.4M per for D'Angelo is ludicrous.

He's had a very good season, so far. Given his previous track record as a problem child, and the fact he's been doing this for less than a full season, I don't see many teams tripping over themselves to offer sheet him in general, let alone at the insane rates you reference above. He'll get a nice deal as a RFA, but he's going to have to replicate this season a couple of times if he's going to see big money and term in the future.

 

[leetch99]

Let him. That would be fantastic. He is not going to do it at $7-$8m. So he will do so at $6? Which is what we have been bantering about. Gorton will match and then you have DeAngelo locked up with no NTC/NMC

I can live with that..I hate the clauses .

 

[haohmaru]

Main board rumors...we all better get tested.

People here go to the main board?

 

[Off Sides]

$8.4M per for D'Angelo is ludicrous.

He's had a very good season, so far. Given his previous track record as a problem child, and the fact he's been doing this for less than a full season, I don't see many teams tripping over themselves to offer sheet him in general, let alone at the insane rates you reference above. He'll get a nice deal as a RFA, but he's going to have to replicate this season a couple of times if he's going to see big money and term in the future.

My point was not that the Rangers would pay him that, would Montreal pay him that?

If so either the Rangers match and they end up with Montreal's likely 2021 mid 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

From Montreal's perspective, what do they really care so much about the cap hit. If Trouba's contract is now a standard, remember this year was his last RFA year and it's at 8M. Players like DeAngelo are going to be getting 8M in cap hit, in ADA's case his last RFA year will be 2021-22. It's not like it's 4 years away.

 

[Vitto79]

so 3 yr at 2.5 for Fast reasonable?.............I think he could sign before years end

 

[charliemurphy]

Gotta ask why this discussion about Strome is getting so much attention? Aside from him being an RFA next season what spurred this on? Strome has produced since coming over even before Panarin signed. I don't get the hate he's getting. I understand the hesitancy in signing him to a big long term contract but its tough deny that he's gotten it together and has been pretty effective.
Apart from giving him a long term contract, my concern would be who else is playing on that line aside from Panarin and Strome. No offense to Fast but I think we're hoping someone like Kakko or even Kravtsov eventually lands the RW spot.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

My point was not that the Rangers would pay him that, would Montreal pay him that?

If so either the Rangers match and they end up with Montreal's likely 2021 mid 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

From Montreal's perspective, what do they really care so much about the cap hit. If Trouba's contract is now a standard, remember this year was his last RFA year and it's at 8M. Players like DeAngelo are going to be getting 8M in cap hit, in ADA's case his last RFA year will be 2021-22. It's not like it's 4 years away.

Your whole logic seems to be underpinned to Trouba's contract, which is looking like a bad one at the moment. So, no, just because the Rangers paid Trouba that doesn't mean another team will give D'Angelo something like it, or that he even deserves it at this point.

 

[charliemurphy]

People here go to the main board?

People here only visit this board? God help those folks.

 

[Off Sides]

These whole debates about RFA's always get me. People seem to misjudge what I am saying, probably my fault for how I portray them.


Do I think any offer sheets will be signed, Not really but the compensation rules and the way the teams are now paying more to their good RFAs has been and still is changing.

Do I think if the Rangers are offering well below, or if that player believes they will offer well below, what any offer sheet could provide that player may sign an offer sheet, maybe.



Do I think these players are going to end up getting an arbitration award, Not really, none of them go through with it and for good reason, the teams offer about what they'd get by going through with it anyway.

Do I think the players will sign any contracts that are for far less than they would get by actually going through with it, No.



Do sometimes the players compromise on shorter term to get to UFA quicker, sure they do.

Do sometimes teams offer more term, total contract money, to try to get a break on cap hit, yes they do.



They all have agents, they all have comparable contracts to point to (at least more or less) They all more or less see the writing on the team's and their individual walls.

 

[UnSandvich]

Speaking of idiots on the main boards, some Flyers fan suggested the Rangers "desperately need a 1d" and should sign Pietrangelo for 9.5 x 7.

 

[Tawnos]

Speaking of idiots on the main boards, some Flyers fan suggested the Rangers "desperately need a 1d" and should sign Pietrangelo for 9.5 x 7.

We are in major need of an RD that's for sure.

 

[Off Sides]

Your whole logic seems to be underpinned to Trouba's contract, which is looking like a bad one at the moment. So, no, just because the Rangers paid Trouba that doesn't mean another team will give D'Angelo something like it, or that he even deserves it at this point.

It does not have to be Trouba,

Esa Lindell for example signed a 6 year deal at 5.8M cap hit which started this season. There are two RFA years in that contract.

That is a comparable contract to what ADA could sign.

Yet when Lindell signed that deal he was coming off a 32 point season.

If ADA does actually ~double that point total what would that say for ADA's contract should they go 6 years?

 

[duhmetreE]

A player agent texted Pierre LeBrun after hearing the NHL cap projection. The agent thinks the NHL cap projection is too high. Where is the revenue increase to justify the proposed cap increase? HRR will increase between 2%-3%. The agent believes the cap will be set at $83.5M. $2M increase. The NHL is using the full 5%. The players agreed to 1.3% inflator for this season.

I would think the Deputy Commissioner has a better understanding of the leagues revenue.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm really doubtful we go looking for anything of significance for our defense. I still believe the GM is going to build the d through the draft outside of Trouba and Fox.

 

[Avery16]

We should be playing

ADA/Trouba
Lindgren/Fox

and looking mostly within for third pair options next season

 

[ecemleafs]

What's the deal with the thread title

 

[Barnaby]

I’m open to keeping Strome on a good value deal but I’m also open to trading him if I can get a haul.

I don’t think he gets a haul, but if some team wants to overpay then I’m all ears. A reasonable contract extension sounds more likely to me.

 

[Mac n Gs]

What's the deal with the thread title

Final countdown until we're ready for our Cup push this year.

 

[True Blue]

~8.4M x 5 for a young top 10 defender in scoring is probably cap space well spent. Just a little over Trouba.

The compensation, I like picks as much as anyone but if I had no plans on rebuilding, needed that sort of player/position, and was stuck in the middle, I'd trade a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for that type of defender.

NO ONE is giving DeAngelo that type of contract.

 

[True Blue]

I didn't say this, anywhere, actually.

You insinuated it with your commentary regarding the production of Strome

What's your point?

That having someone who gels and produces with your elite player is much more firm than wish casting that a player who has produced less can replicate it.

K

Glad we agree.

 

[mulli25]

I'm really doubtful we go looking for anything of significance for our defense. I still believe the GM is going to build the d through the draft outside of Trouba and Fox.

I disagree. We have a glaring hole at LD in our lineup and no near term solution

 

[True Blue]

Anything in that 1st and 3rd round range is what the Rangers would expect to pay anyway. If they could get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and considering they have Lundqvist coming soon it might be worth taking the picks and, I would assume, using them to get a true top pair LHD or top six forward.

Lundqvist is coming? When? Again, what are the chances that the Rangers have not had such a point producer as a defenseman in 25 years and now all of a sudden they have multiple?

Chances greater than Lundqvist is the next Tim Erixon than he touches 60 points.

 

[True Blue]

I'm really doubtful we go looking for anything of significance for our defense. I still believe the GM is going to build the d through the draft outside of Trouba and Fox.

I actually disagree here. I thinkthat Trouba's partner comes from the outside. There is no LD that is either in the system that will be able to step into that role over the next several years. And please let's forget about the fantasy of DeAngelo or Fox switching sides.

MAYBE with a big camp, Hajek can pair with DeAngelo next year.