Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[UnSandvich]

Analytics is a tool but it can't be relied on, it's no good anymore, it was only any good when the players were unaware this stuff was being tracked once players learned how to manipulate it they are doing it and making fools out of everyone. The team with the least amount of resources committed to analytics won the cup last year, the one with the most committed to it consistantly get bounced in the 1st round.

Funny, per this article 86% of players polled (total polled was 392) said they don't pay attention to analytics. But hey, I'm sure you're correct, and every player is secretly manipulating their fancy stats. Just like your midget hockey players

The 2020 NHL Poll: Players have their say on the best...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Funny, per this article 86% of players polled (total polled was 392) said they don't pay attention to analytics. But hey, I'm sure you're correct, and every player is secretly manipulating their fancy stats. Just like your midget hockey players

The 2020 NHL Poll: Players have their say on the best...

Thanks for the poll that many players didnt answer, I'm sure there's many valid reasons they refused to answer the questions like, I don't wanna or I'm eating a sandwich right now.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He's not, I just find it funny. I'm certainly not giving up half the team for him either.

IMO Barkov is worth moving significant assets for. Imagine Barkov and Zbad down the middle? That’s arguably the best 1-2 punch in the league.

I doubt Barkov is available anyway. Even in a shakeup there’s like a 1% chance he’s remotely available. And that 1% chance is just because it’s Florida.

 

[effen]

2 1sts, DeAngelo, Strome, Krav, Lias is an insane package for Barkov, like horrifically insane.

It's like 200 cents on the dollar and I don't think Florida would do it anyway.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Florida would get rid of everyone else before the got rid of Barkov.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I'm almost certain Florida is in win now mode unless they somehow, magically dump Bobrovsky.

If Barkov were ever on the table it's a hockey move. A likewise player has to be a return. Futures and Strome wont cut it.

That said, Barkov is the last of those names moved unless its Barkov+ for an upgrade.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I wonder if the latest possible cap figures affect the decision process of the Rangers regarding Lundqvist. If the cap goes up to in the middle of those estimates ($86MM), does it make sense to just keep Lundqvist if there is no trade market for him and trade Georgiev. Would remove the dead cap space for the 21-22 season from his buyout.

Or does that reduce the need to send offsetting salary in a trade to upgrade on LD or on the wings if you still move forward with a Lundqvist buyout?

 

[Vitto79]

I wonder if the latest possible cap figures affect the decision process of the Rangers regarding Lundqvist. If the cap goes up to in the middle of those estimates ($86MM), does it make sense to just keep Lundqvist if there is no trade market for him and trade Georgiev. Would remove the dead cap space for the 21-22 season from his buyout.

Or does that reduce the need to send offsetting salary in a trade to upgrade on LD or on the wings if you still move forward with a Lundqvist buyout?

The cap just means they’ve have space for Strome , Fast, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Lemieux signings

I foresee the same team with only a few tweaks

Hank will retire or go for half off
Smith will be tradeable
May be stuck w Staal

Krug would be a great pickup on LD but expansion puts a wrench in that search IMO...can’t add since they need to protect Lindgren , Trouba , DeAngelo

Andersson for a young non expansion eligible player

 

[pld459666]

It is a shame that a player's cap hit impacts the appreciation for what a player does on the ice.

If the annual production doesn't match the annual cap hit, then yes, it's fair to give that player shit

 

[Off Sides]

The Looney is at 75 cents to a US dollar. Hard to see a big revenue percentage increase for the league with Canadian revenue at that level.

Good point, yet the rate has held pretty steady all year, so if they are going 84-88M based on what the rate was this year and are assuming much of that salary is already paid out, and also assume the rate will hold pretty steady until last pay goes out, they may have predicted that portion of the revenue pretty well.

I would think at this point the biggest influences to where the cap ends up are possible revenue loss from virus, the playoffs (which teams make them and how many games are played), and the escalator % used. Yet I have no idea how they are basing their prediction, just going by what my general impression is.

My guess ~84M

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The cap just means they’ve have space for Strome , Fast, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Lemieux signings

I foresee the same team with only a few tweaks

Hank will retire or go for half off
Smith will be tradeable
May be stuck w Staal

Krug would be a great pickup on LD but expansion puts a wrench in that search IMO...can’t add since they need to protect Lindgren , Trouba , DeAngelo

Andersson for a young non expansion eligible player

I don't think Krug is the type of d-man they need on the left side (small offensive puck-mover).

Also, he's gonna be 29 and will want an expensive long-term contract.

 

[RGY]

Not sure if anyone has said something bout this yet but according to Friedman in 31 thoughts the Panthers may consider breaking up their core. If thats true, I would love to know what it would cost to get Barkov. Would Kravtsov Deangelo Strome Lias and both our firsts this year get it done or is that too little?
31 Thoughts: How Marc Bergevin sees Canadiens' present, future - Sportsnet.ca

Yea huge no trading that many pieces for one player. You have a 50 point defenseman in there and, although I cant stand him, even in a normal season Strome is around a 50 point player. Then you throw in a top prospect, another prospect who could rebuild himself, and two 1sts? Stop.

 

[Kovalev27]

Barkov only has 2 years left on his deal. And I’d be really surprised if he wanted to stay there. Especially if they have another year like they’re having. (Which they prob will)

he’s going to be a trade candidate at some point. And it will be for futures.

my guess is it would take a Chytil Lundkvist a first round pick and maybe a B level prospect. Which is a lot. When it’s possible they can get him for free in 2 years

 

[NYSPORTS]

Barkov only has 2 years left on his deal. And I’d be really surprised if he wanted to stay there. Especially if they have another year like they’re having. (Which they prob will)

and that’s why, IMO, they cannot extend all these RFA along with this Kreider contract. B/c the market will at some point have another Panarin and a Barkov could be it. Not to mention, all these kids looking for raises. So short sighted

 

[Kovalev27]

They can extend Strome for 2 years. That’s the obvious decision on two levels. Chytil definitely at that point could take the spot if he hasn’t already moving Strome to wing or the third line. But it also bridges you to decisions on Mika and Barkov. I think Mika will be extended as soon as possible. But barkov could be a target the summer stromes contract is off the books

 

[UnSandvich]

Thanks for the poll that many players didnt answer, I'm sure there's many valid reasons they refused to answer the questions like, I don't wanna or I'm eating a sandwich right now.

You're welcome for the poll almost half the league answered. It's certainly a more reliable source than you coaching U18s

 

[NYSPORTS]

They can extend Strome for 2 years.

Respectfully, why? Why not arbitration for 1 year? Why does it have to be longer? The rules are in place for a reason yet they appear ignored with regularity. Within a year the Rangers could acquire another center. Then what? Why tie up unnecessary years? I don’t get it.

 

[Kovalev27]

Doesn’t can be one year for sure. I just think with the youth behind him they like him as an option until help arrives. I think you know I can’t stand Strome. But I’ve also seen nothing to suggest they don’t love him. I think they do. They love splitting Mika and Panarin and that helped in the decision to keep CK. So I think if they can get two years for Strome they willingly do so. Chytil would be 22 at that point. Still a baby crazy to believe.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I can imagine not being able to attract or support real goal scorers if we give a player like Strome 4x5 instead.

I am in total agreement (personally, I would trade him for firewood if I could)...but watching Panarin make the passes he does, I can only imagine how much better he'd be with natural goal scorers rather than Strome and Stone Hands Fast.

 

[charliemurphy]

Thoughts on the Bergevin rumor about possibly placing an offer sheet on TDA?
If that were to happen, what would the Rangers expect to get in compensation?

 

[NYR Viper]

Thoughts on the Bergevin rumor about possibly placing an offer sheet on TDA?
If that were to happen, what would the Rangers expect to get in compensation?

He'd probably do what he did to Aho last year with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 1st and 3rd

NNUAL AVERAGE (AAV) VALUE	COMPENSATION	REQUIREMENTS MET	REQUIREMENTS NOT MET
$0 - $1,395,053	No Compensation
$1,395,054 - $2,113,716	1 Third Round Pick
$2,113,717 - $4,227,437	1 Second Round Pick
$4,227,438 - $6,341,152	1 First Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick
$6,341,153 - $8,454,871	1 First Round Pick 1 Second Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick
$8,454,872 - $10,568,589	2 First Round Picks 1 Second Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick
$10,568,590 - ∞	4 First Round Picks

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[Raspewtin]

They can extend Strome for 2 years. That’s the obvious decision on two levels. Chytil definitely at that point could take the spot if he hasn’t already moving Strome to wing or the third line. But it also bridges you to decisions on Mika and Barkov. I think Mika will be extended as soon as possible. But barkov could be a target the summer stromes contract is off the books

the thing I don't understand is that part of what pushed the Strome's chemistry with Panarin narrative so hard is simply the fact that like no other center has played significant minutes with him. Especially Chytil, where at least on paper, their skillsets are a perfect match. I know that even Quinn's fans agree on the criticism that for a supposed development coach in a development year, he really likes not playing young players in unfamiliar situations and is just as conservative as any other NHL coach when it comes to creative line combos and setups (like playing Ryan f***ing Strome on the PK which to this day boggles my mind). Like wasn't that the whole point of this year? To see what our players can do in different setups?

Oh unless of course you're Brett Howden, who can roundhouse kick Shesterkin in the neck and still get his 14 minutes a night.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Thoughts on the Bergevin rumor about possibly placing an offer sheet on TDA?
If that were to happen, what would the Rangers expect to get in compensation?

Where is this rumor?

I don't think he would dare. His motivations for the Aho OS was built around the thought that Carolina couldn't afford the Signing Bonus dollars. We don't have that problem here.

 

[Avery16]

Thoughts on the Bergevin rumor about possibly placing an offer sheet on TDA?
If that were to happen, what would the Rangers expect to get in compensation?

Why would DeAngelo sign with Montreal for an amount he’s likely to get staying in the US?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Thoughts on the Bergevin rumor about possibly placing an offer sheet on TDA?
If that were to happen, what would the Rangers expect to get in compensation?

not sure where this is coming from but hope he pays a lot so the Rangers get at least compensation for ADA. Working the CBA 101.

Hopefully somebody will offer RFA Strome what some fans apparently want to prematurely offer without even flexing arbitration.