Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Kovalev27]

You can’t have Strome signed beyond Mika’s ufa season. You need to see what you can pay Mika and where your young centers are. You can’t have Strome signed into that deal.

this one isn’t going to be tough. 2 year bridge deal 10 million dollars both sides will be fine with that. In a year or two both Strome and Buchnevich will be moved out and replaced internally.

 

[kovazub94]

What are you talking about? "Video game world"? I've been playing and watching hockey since the late 70's - pretty sure I have a good idea of how things work in the real world here, chief. Georgiev's name was already floating out there at the deadline and, by certain accounts, he wasn't moved because the Rangers were asking too much. That's "real life" for ya.

Oh, here's some light reading for you from across the hockey spectrum discussing Georgiev possibly being dealt. Video game. My ass.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-georgiev-trade-return-potential/

NHL trade rumors 2020: Toronto Maple Leafs have reportedly inquired about New York Rangers goaltender Alexandar Georgiev

Leafs end Georgiev rumors by acquiring Campbell from LA

https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/alex-georgiev-buzz-looms-over-rangers-trade-deadline-struggle/

Maple Leafs among teams interested in making trade for Rangers goalie Alexander Georgiev: Report

So the Rangers were checking for an exuberant pay-off from a desperate team. It doesn't mean that Georgiev is a gonner. IMO quite the opposite after Kreider was extended and they have a cap crunch this summer that could be addressed by (re-)moving Lundqvist and keeping Shesterkin-Georgiev tandem for a couple of years.

 

[kovazub94]

No more than 2 years and no more than 5 per.

Which is a quite likely a comfortable meeting point for both the Rangers and Strome.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Which is a quite likely a comfortable meeting point for both the Rangers and Strome.

I'd be okay with this as well.

Basically, I don't want any money committed to Strome the summer that Zibanejad is a UFA and Fox and Kakko will both be due a raise.

 

[haohmaru]

So the Rangers were checking for an exuberant pay-off from a desperate team. It doesn't mean that Georgiev is a gonner. IMO quite the opposite after Kreider was extended and they have a cap crunch this summer that could be addressed by (re-)moving Lundqvist and keeping Shesterkin-Georgiev tandem for a couple of years.

Oh, I'm not saying he's a goner. The entire premise of this was a scenario in which Georgiev shines down the stretch (and maybe playoffs), increases his value, and we get a 1st or 2nd+ for him - none of which may happen. I think it's the Rangers best move since Shesterkin is pretty much "the guy" and should be. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep him and buyout Lundqvist - it's not what I would do, though.

 

[haohmaru]

I think he suggested enough "If Panarin says the right thing(s) then you have to sign him. If that's lukewarm then the next move is pretty obvious." Where do we draw the line? Kinda warm? Very warm? Hot? Perceived insanity?

He's a RFA, enjoy arbitration and see you at the deadline next year.

There's really no reason not to have a conversation with him. Doesn't mean you can agree on $, term, or anything else but it's certainly a factor I'd consider.

 

[Anthony5967]

So if we axe Strome in the offseason, who is replacing him? I'm just very curious because Chytil has shown absolutely nothing except that he could one day be a decent third-liner if that.

 

[NYSPORTS]

There's really no reason not to have a conversation with him. Doesn't mean you can agree on $, term, or anything else but it's certainly a factor I'd consider.

So ignore RFA? Go right to a conversation without knowing the future?

type out the conversation or a few questions for us. Maybe then I won’t find this idea crazy lol

 

[PuckLuck3043]

So if we axe Strome in the offseason, who is replacing him? I'm just very curious because Chytil has shown absolutely nothing except that he could one day be a decent third-liner if that.

There is nobody to replace him just like there is nobody to replace Kreider. Sign him for another year or 2. I think thats the best option right now.

 

[Ola]

Which is a quite likely a comfortable meeting point for both the Rangers and Strome.

Strome has improved a lot during the season. I am far from his biggest fan but calling it like I see it, he is a kid that has made big progress.

For me a big deciding factor with what to Strome should be the interest around the league in him. As long as he plays with Panarin his value shouldn’t tank. If there would be interest in him today at around 4.5m, that interest should remain. Term is always a plus for younger players with a positive value.

I am not sure if I am in love with the idea to hand Strome a short term ticket to UFA. He could end up being pretty valuable if he was under control for a few years.

3 years at like 4.25m would be pretty good IMO. Limited NTC starting July 1, 2021. Keep him one more year, and replace him if we can during the upcoming season or trade him before July 1 next season no matter what.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Panarin 5v5 on-ice GF/60 with these following centers:
Strome: 4.25
Zibanejad: 4.27
Chytil: 5.01

The possession/xG metrics are better, but there is little evidence that Strome specifically has boosted his point production.

 

[Anthony5967]

There is nobody to replace him just like there is nobody to replace Kreider. Sign him for another year or 2. I think thats the best option right now.

Exactly

 

[Tawnos]

So if we axe Strome in the offseason, who is replacing him? I'm just very curious because Chytil has shown absolutely nothing except that he could one day be a decent third-liner if that.

Chytil is a decent 3rd liner *right now*

 

[aufheben]

So if we axe Strome in the offseason, who is replacing him? I'm just very curious because Chytil has shown absolutely nothing except that he could one day be a decent third-liner if that.

That's exactly what Strome is.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I have an interesting question..

Would you guys rather have Chris krieder or Anthony mantha?

186 points in 257 games .723ppg
Or
316 points in 523 games .604ppg

One is krieder one is mantha..

 

[Guyute]

I have an interesting question..

Would you guys rather have Chris krieder or Anthony mantha?

186 points in 257 games .723ppg
Or
316 points in 523 games .604ppg

One is krieder one is mantha..

Kreider is the better player, but I'm too lazy to explain why at this hour

Also, Mantha has 168 point in 257 games for 0.64 ppg, not 0.72 ppg

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Kreider is the better player, but I'm too lazy to explain why at this hour

Also, Mantha has 168 point in 257 games for 0.64 ppg, not 0.72 ppg

My apologies, I wrote the wrong amount.

And I do see the positives about krieder and understand people's love for him but let's not act like mantha isnt nothing.. plus is 3 years younger.

I'm just posting something interesting I heard on NHL Sirius radio.

 

[JC704]

Ryan Strome is on pace for 73 points. Yep, decent third liner.

I would offer Strome 5 years, $5-5.25 million AAV. Contract takes him through his age-31 season. Gets a nice raise, financial security, and the guarantee moving forward he plays with Panarin. If he wants a bit more, that's a bit dicey, but moving forward, at the very least, you know he produces between Panarin and Fast. The Rangers will likely try Kakko/Kravtsov in the top six during training camp.

Also, there is no rush to thrust Filip Chytil into a role he's not ready for yet. Let him man that third-line center spot for the next few years. At best, if he breaks through, they can trade Strome. At worst, if Chytil maintains this same level of production for the next few seasons, the Rangers can bridge him at a manageable salary cap hit and know they have a competent young talent who they can take their time with. The best case scenario is they develop Chytil slowly, and he breaks out in a big way during the bridge/RFA years. That means they will have a bargain on their hands, which is great for their salary cap situation.

This place irrationally hates Strome. He certainly isn't perfect, but he has been very good this season. He's been good since Gorton traded for him. Seems like the Rangers got very lucky a former 5th overall draft pick figured it out HERE. Not elsewhere.

 

[n8]

Ryan Strome is on pace for 73 points. Yep, decent third liner.

I would offer Strome 5 years, $5-5.25 million AAV. Contract takes him through his age-31 season. Gets a nice raise, financial security, and the guarantee moving forward he plays with Panarin. If he wants a bit more, that's a bit dicey, but moving forward, at the very least, you know he produces between Panarin and Fast. The Rangers will likely try Kakko/Kravtsov in the top six during training camp.

Also, there is no rush to thrust Filip Chytil into a role he's not ready for yet. Let him man that third-line center spot for the next few years. At best, if he breaks through, they can trade Strome. At worst, if Chytil maintains this same level of production for the next few seasons, the Rangers can bridge him at a manageable salary cap hit and know they have a competent young talent who they can take their time with. The best case scenario is they develop Chytil slowly, and he breaks out in a big way during the bridge/RFA years. That means they will have a bargain on their hands, which is great for their salary cap situation.

This place irrationally hates Strome. He certainly isn't perfect, but he has been very good this season. He's been good since Gorton traded for him. Seems like the Rangers got very lucky a former 5th overall draft pick figured it out HERE. Not elsewhere.

If Chytil is playing on the 3rd line, I want him to be a better defender and learn to PK. Unless the plan is to make him be so offensively dominant that the best defense is a good offense. But then which line takes all the defensive zone draws?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not that I wanted to keep him, or in any way feel bad about him being traded, but missing Brady Skjei just magnifies the issues we have on the left side. He was the best D-man we had on the left. 2021 can't come soon enough

 

[haohmaru]

So ignore RFA? Go right to a conversation without knowing the future?

type out the conversation or a few questions for us. Maybe then I won’t find this idea crazy lol

You do know that after the season there are exit interviews with every player on the team, right? I'm not typing out questions - the fact that you find this so preposterous is, frankly, ridiculous.

 

[haohmaru]

Not that I wanted to keep him, or in any way feel bad about him being traded, but missing Brady Skjei just magnifies the issues we have on the left side. He was the best D-man we had on the left. 2021 can't come soon enough

The thinness up front is even more glaring without CK in the lineup. We need forward depth more than LD help. Skjei turning into Smith is barely noticeable, and, honestly, I think Smith has been better than Skjei was since taking over.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You do know that after the season there are exit interviews with every player on the team, right? I'm not typing out questions - the fact that you find this so preposterous is, frankly, ridiculous.

so now it’s an exit interview? Oh, well that make it different lol. But “if Panarin says the right things then you have to resign him”.

i asked you to write out a question so you could prove to yourself how silly this idea is.

-Panarin what do you think of Strome? - nice guy
- does he help your game? - sure, but you gave me that contract before I played with him
- should we resign him? - sure, how about 7 years at 8 million per?
- well, not that much - then don’t resign him
- do you want him here or not? - I’m not the GM so why don’t you flex the RFA for one year and shelve it?
- oh yeah, that is my job. - yeah, and with all these defensemen, possibility an extra goalie and all these prospects you never know if another center becomes available.
- good point and thanks Panarin.

Flash back to when Brian Leetch made a suggestion to Sather. Sather reminded Leetch who the GM is.

 

[haohmaru]

Flash back to when Brian Leetch made a suggestion to Sather. Sather reminded Leetch who the GM is.

I'm not even going to dignify your imaginary Q&A with a response. It's dumb.

How about Messier/Medved. How'd that work out?

It's all hypothetical. We'll never know what they talked about or didn't - so this is moot and I'm done.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I love how we went from playing 4 games against teams ranked top-10 in 2 months to playing 12 games against teams ranked top-10 in a little over a month and social media is full of "We're losing because of Kreider's injury".

Yeah, maybe we're losing because we aren't playing lottery teams all month long

I am not saying we aren't missing Kreider, but these losses should not come as a surprise to anyone