Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[NYR Viper]

Coyle and Hayes are extremely strong defensive players in addition to their offense.

I understand that. All I am pointing out is that salaries are increasing and while Strome may have his warts, so do many other players who have hit UFA and been paid far more. Not every player will be a Zibanejad

 

[True Blue]

How can you have it both ways?

Strome is not a by-product of Panarin, he is good in his own right.

No one will pay Strome for what he is in his own right unless they deduct the Panarin effect.

You recognize that Strome is a former 5OA pick and has talent. You also realize that of course Panarin positively affects him. Why would he not? But then you also realize what Panarin is doing to his own records and it isn't like Strome has never hit 50 points before.

And you are neglecting it does not matter what anyone else would pay him for his last RFA year, that could be decided by arbitration where his comparables are going to be other players who put up a similar amount of points whether they were playing with Panarin, someone like him, or not.

Yes, I do realized that. My point is that I do not believe that it will get to arbitration. For all of the reasons that I listed already.

Or just look at what NYR Viper wrote as he summarized it very well.

 

[haohmaru]

Strome is getting north of 5M no matter what road it takes to get there.

 

[DutchShamrock]

The smart play for Strome is go short term. He can solidify his value as the cap rises with the new TV deal. He will bank on himself.

The writing is on the wall for next season. Not much cap space and he's RFA. Go one year for a smaller amount or go 2-3 with a compromise. No one wants to go long term in this case, too many questions to answer for everyone.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would not give Strome anything more than 2 years. I dont think he or his agent sign anything more than 2 years. Another year with Panarin, then UFA, would be the most lucrative for him.

4.5-5 is fair for 1 or 2 years.

Strome is not a long-term solution and I'd like to think the Rangers see him in the same light. He's a short-term solution where we'd be best served to maximize his value/return. 2 year deal would be best for us.

 

[kovazub94]

Good point here. I could see an Igor-Alexi combo for one year but not long term. That might actually open up s9me interesting trade possibilities in and around the expansion draft.

I agree with those posts that don't see a problem keeping both Igor and Alexandar as a tandem until Georgiev gets close to UFA. Not only from cap perspective but even hockey-wise. The teams are leaning toward more even split of games between the started and a backup if there's an opportunity to keep two good goalies. Even injuries aside a split of 51-31 with minor deviations either way should be fine.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm sticking with both sides coming together on a $5 million extension, for either 2 or 3 years.

It's interesting that in Strome's situation he'd probably get more $$ for less term. His AAV would probably be somewhere between $4.5m-$5.5m so if we're at 2 years then it's closer to upper limit while it will be closer to $4.5m if it's 4 years.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm ok with keeping Strome on a reasonable deal, but only if it in no way complicates our signing ADA to an extension. Strome contributions are replicable; ADA's not so much.

Without uncertainly I'm sure Gorton is able to appropriately prioritize between ADA and Strome, it's not even a question.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I think Strome's status as persona non grata on this board is a function of how we view his future.

Strome is undeniably riding the coattails of a Hart candidate. However, he doesn't seem to be bringing Panarin down at all, which is a huge plus.

But, what happens when Chytil surpasses him? Everyone assumes that's going to happen next season, despite Chytil being putrid for the last two months. But, let's just go with it.

When, or if, that happens, you're going to be stuck with Strome making upwards of $6M to be on your third line. He's going to be taking the same dumb penalties and putting in zero defensive effort. And he won't have a Panarin on his wing propping him up.

I guess we're all just scared that he's going to get his big payday from us based on an outlier season. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Strome can be a 2C on a contender. So, we demonize the poor dude and rile ourselves up so we can be outraged when management makes the "stupid decision" to extend him.

 

[kovazub94]

The whole thing in my opinion, (well not the whole thing but..)if Strome signs this 2 or 3 year deal he is likely to be traded once the cap hits of others start to rise.

So unless he has a clause in the UFA years and also believes the Rangers will not trade him (next season) before those clauses activate, he is opening himself up to not remaining in that environment anyway, being put in another environment not of his choosing, and staying there or being yet moved again for however long the remainder of that contract turns out to be.

And that's his risk like most players in the NHL do not get the protection from being traded. The best Strome could do is to hope if he wishes to stay is that his on ice contribution, being a fit in the lockerroom etc vs. his cap hit are more appealing to the Rangers than whatever they could get for him via trade.

 

[Off Sides]

And that's his risk like most players in the NHL do not get the protection from being traded. The best Strome could do is to hope if he wishes to stay is that his on ice contribution, being a fit in the lockerroom etc vs. his cap hit are more appealing to the Rangers than whatever they could get for him via trade.

Actually I think the lower Strome's cap hit is, the more likely the Rangers could find a trade and get a return they found acceptable.

Which makes me wonder why he would take a lower cap hit than he could get if he actually wanted to stay.

 

[Good Intentions]

Why is "logic" in quotes? It's not logical to sell high on a guy that's likely going to be a career backup here? If you get a 1st or 2nd + for Georgiev you take it and run. Hank can be a veteran backup/mentor for at least a year and then you sign a backup goaltender or use one of the other promising prospects we have in development. No need for both and this is a strong draft class coming up.

In a video game world, sure.

In real life, Georgiev has made a home for himself and proven he can excel in this city. There is a need for both he and Shesterkin. Absolutely, yes.

 

[haohmaru]

Honestly, if I'm Gorton and JD, I'm not talking to Strome, or his agent, first. I'm having an honest sit-down/meeting with Panarin and getting his input on playing with Strome in the future to be kept in confidence. If Panarin says the right thing(s) then you have to sign him. If that's lukewarm then the next move is pretty obvious.

 

[haohmaru]

In a video game world, sure.

In real life, Georgiev has made a home for himself and proven he can excel in this city. There is a need for both he and Shesterkin. Absolutely, yes.

What are you talking about? "Video game world"? I've been playing and watching hockey since the late 70's - pretty sure I have a good idea of how things work in the real world here, chief. Georgiev's name was already floating out there at the deadline and, by certain accounts, he wasn't moved because the Rangers were asking too much. That's "real life" for ya.

Oh, here's some light reading for you from across the hockey spectrum discussing Georgiev possibly being dealt. Video game. My ass.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-georgiev-trade-return-potential/

NHL trade rumors 2020: Toronto Maple Leafs have reportedly inquired about New York Rangers goaltender Alexandar Georgiev

Leafs end Georgiev rumors by acquiring Campbell from LA

https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/alex-georgiev-buzz-looms-over-rangers-trade-deadline-struggle/

Maple Leafs among teams interested in making trade for Rangers goalie Alexander Georgiev: Report

 

[n8]

The "Strome 6 Year Extension?" makes me hyperventilate a bit every time I load up this page.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The arbitrator could only give Strome a 1 year deal as that is his last RFA year.

That's right. Ty

 

[kovazub94]

Actually I think the lower Strome's cap hit is, the more likely the Rangers could find a trade and get a return they found acceptable.

Which makes me wonder why he would take a lower cap hit than he could get if he actually wanted to stay.

With all due respect your logic is backwards. For example, are the Rangers trying to move Zibanejad because he's well outperforming his cap impact and the Rangers would get a haul in return if he were to be moved?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Honestly, if I'm Gorton and JD, I'm not talking to Strome, or his agent, first. I'm having an honest sit-down/meeting with Panarin and getting his input on playing with Strome in the future to be kept in confidence. If Panarin says the right thing(s) then you have to sign him. If that's lukewarm then the next move is pretty obvious.

Com'on bro, why would they do that? What if Panarin says "can't function without him so sign him for 8 years?" Why even have a GM?

He's a RFA which is no different than ADA. One year from
now we have no idea what position we could be in. Another center could emerge, be drafted, traded for, who knows? Why commit today/this offseason when the rules are in place to take advantage of rather than handicap us? What's the hurry? The panic? We have to act now for Strome??? This isn't even a playoff team as of today.

 

[haohmaru]

Com'on bro, why would they do that? What if Panarin says "can't function without him so sign him for 8 years?" Why even have a GM?

He's a RFA which is no different than ADA. One year from
now we have no idea what position we could be in. Another center could emerge, be drafted, traded for, who knows? Why commit today/this offseason when the rules are in place to take advantage of rather than handicap us? What's the hurry? The panic? We have to act now for Strome??? This isn't even a playoff team as of today.

Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they? You don't think they talked up Panarin before he eventually signed here and part of those conversations weren't the team's plans heading into the future? OF COURSE you talk to Panarin about it. Com'on bro yourself. It's a no brainer.

I'm not even pro signing Strome - but I definitely get AP's input before making a decision.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Com'on bro, why would they do that? What if Panarin says "can't function without him so sign him for 8 years?" Why even have a GM?

He's a RFA which is no different than ADA. One year from
now we have no idea what position we could be in. Another center could emerge, be drafted, traded for, who knows? Why commit today/this offseason when the rules are in place to take advantage of rather than handicap us? What's the hurry? The panic? We have to act now for Strome??? This isn't even a playoff team as of today.

I don't think he suggested that JG do what ever Panarin says he should do.

I do think that its a good idea to get input from a guy who has had a ton of success playing with Strome. Theres no doubt that Strome has seen a lofty boost in his numbers because of Panarin, but as others have said Strome isn't hurting his production - There are plenty of players in this league who could do that successfully. Do you think Panarin would be having the same type of year playing with Howden?

I don't. And I'm A-OK keeping Strome around for a year and letting him walk as a UFA.

 

[NYSPORTS]

What are you talking about? "Video game world"? I've been playing and watching hockey since the late 70's - pretty sure I have a good idea of how things work in the real world here, chief. Georgiev's name was already floating out there at the deadline and, by certain accounts, he wasn't moved because the Rangers were asking too much. That's "real life" for ya.

Oh, here's some light reading for you from across the hockey spectrum discussing Georgiev possibly being dealt. Video game. My ass.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-georgiev-trade-return-potential/

NHL trade rumors 2020: Toronto Maple Leafs have reportedly inquired about New York Rangers goaltender Alexandar Georgiev

Leafs end Georgiev rumors by acquiring Campbell from LA

https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/alex-georgiev-buzz-looms-over-rangers-trade-deadline-struggle/

Maple Leafs among teams interested in making trade for Rangers goalie Alexander Georgiev: Report

Kreider will be traded.

We have no idea what news is true. There is more bait click than ever before. Not sure if any writer predicted Brady to Carolina yet nothing else came true so it's easy to discredit and question any of the above. We all fell for at least some hype.

 

[kovazub94]

Honestly, if I'm Gorton and JD, I'm not talking to Strome, or his agent, first. I'm having an honest sit-down/meeting with Panarin and getting his input on playing with Strome in the future to be kept in confidence. If Panarin says the right thing(s) then you have to sign him. If that's lukewarm then the next move is pretty obvious.

It's a stretch but even if this scenario was taking place - do you really think Panarin would be "lukewarm" when he's putting up career numbers with Strome as his side-kick?

Strome is valuable to the Rangers because of his versatility and chemistry with one of the best players. The ball would be in Strome's court on figuring out how much this unexpected fit and comfort level worth to him? For Strome who already experienced a lot of difficulties in his hockey career finding a comfortable situation Michael Nylander's story could be a lesson even if not facts and situation match ups. He cashed in on his success with Jagr but wound-up out of the league in a short order through a combination of injuries and not living up to expectations of his contract.

 

[kovazub94]

... I'm A-OK keeping Strome around for a year and letting him walk as a UFA.

There's no a price point or contract length that would entice you to keep Strome beyond his last RFA year?

 

[NYSPORTS]

I don't think he suggested that JG do what ever Panarin says he should do.

I don't. And I'm A-OK keeping Strome around for a year and letting him walk as a UFA.

I think he suggested enough "If Panarin says the right thing(s) then you have to sign him. If that's lukewarm then the next move is pretty obvious." Where do we draw the line? Kinda warm? Very warm? Hot? Perceived insanity?

He's a RFA, enjoy arbitration and see you at the deadline next year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There's no a price point or contract length that would entice you to keep Strome beyond his last RFA year?

No more than 2 years and no more than 5 per.