Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[aufheben]

Hot take: Georgiev has been a top-10 goalie this year. I hope if they trade him they make it worth it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think ideally in net the Rangers either would like Lundqvist to retire or they buy him out. Then re-sign Georgiev for 2 years and have him there incase Shesh is a flash in the pan (not saying he is, but by the time he comes back this season he could only have 12-15 NHL games under his belt.

I believe that would make Georgiev an RFA one last time at the end of that 2 year contract. At the end of the 2020-21 season the Rangers would look to move him so long as Shesh continues the level of play hes shown this season.

It's either that, or if Lundqvist retires/bought out they trade Georgiev as well and as others have said sign a journeyman vet to a two year sub $2MM contract to expose that player.

 

[SA16]

To everyone wanting Hank to retire and keep the Shesty/G combo, I can't see Georgiev being okay with being a back up. He's played well and deserves a shot to be a starting goaltender. Shesterkin is clearly our goalie of the future and is starting at least 55 games a season.

I think they would have traded him if they received a good enough offer at the deadline but there weren't many buyers for goalies and no one is going to bid against themselves.

I think he and likely Lias Andersson traded in the off-season, possibly as a package and you'll see a Shesty/Hank duo with Shesty as the starter and Hank as the back up in his final year of his contract. If he plays well enough next year, I could see him doing 1 year deals until he's ready to retire or the Rangers move on entirely.

it doesn’t really matter whether or not he’s ok with it and it’s not his choice for several more years

 

[wafflepadsave]

This is one of the worst hot takes I’ve ever read. The guy is on pace to put up over 70 points and he’s versatile. Ideally I’d see him on Panarin’s opposite wing with a two way center, but he can step in and play center which has value. The idea that a guy whose putting up over 70 points can’t play in a top 6 role is asinine. You can’t just throw Brendan Lemieux out there and get similar production. There’s a good chance he’d consider a reasonable AAV for a 3-4 year term and id be all over that. He’s also a perfect age to be a younger vet to the younger players.

Im not saying he’s the greatest player of all time but there’s a contingent of fans who think he’s straight garbage. Ironically many of these same guys are people who were going WILD that the Rangers need to sign a VERY risky contract to a historically inconsistent player player in Kreider. Meanwhile Strome is younger, will sign for much less term and AAV. Not unlike Kreider he benefits from great chemistry with a star, plays PP, but not PK. Both have been inconsistent but only one will be paid like a star well into their mid 30’s.

I also love the posters who constantly say he sucks, isn’t a winner, can’t play in a top 6 role etc... Then follow that up with “lock him into a contract and trade him for a big package next year!” ... it’s such an eye roll read...

Or saying we will get a ‘haul’ for a player. Nobody is trading a haul for anybody other than pagaeu.

 

[Off Sides]

What these arbitration eligible RFAs end up with on cap hit may be determined partially by what other comparable RFAs signed for. Usually teams offer something close to what they think they'd get by going through with arbitration anyway for any RFA year(s)

In Geo's case it's difficult to find many, if any direct comparable goalies. Most who signed as RFAs either had more playoff games, or they had way less regular season games.

Strome is going to compare pretty favorably on stats, role, ice time, etc to other RFAs who in their last RFA year received a pretty big cap hit.

DeAngelo see Strome and add he will likely have more production than most if not all other RFA D who signed.

Does not mean the players will only settle for the most they could get, yet usually it ends up being pretty close to what they would receive by going to arbitration.

Any team trading for them prior to extension would be putting themselves in a similar position with similar questions.

 

[RGY]

This is one of the worst hot takes I’ve ever read. The guy is on pace to put up over 70 points and he’s versatile. Ideally I’d see him on Panarin’s opposite wing with a two way center, but he can step in and play center which has value. The idea that a guy whose putting up over 70 points can’t play in a top 6 role is asinine. You can’t just throw Brendan Lemieux out there and get similar production. There’s a good chance he’d consider a reasonable AAV for a 3-4 year term and id be all over that. He’s also a perfect age to be a younger vet to the younger players.

Im not saying he’s the greatest player of all time but there’s a contingent of fans who think he’s straight garbage. Ironically many of these same guys are people who were going WILD that the Rangers need to sign a VERY risky contract to a historically inconsistent player player in Kreider. Meanwhile Strome is younger, will sign for much less term and AAV. Not unlike Kreider he benefits from great chemistry with a star, plays PP, but not PK. Both have been inconsistent but only one will be paid like a star well into their mid 30’s.

I also love the posters who constantly say he sucks, isn’t a winner, can’t play in a top 6 role etc... Then follow that up with “lock him into a contract and trade him for a big package next year!” ... it’s such an eye roll read...

No, no....what is a terrible hot take is a poster boasting about how this guy is a 70 point player when he has never been that in his career. Does he have 70 points this year away from Panarin? Does he? If you cannot say yes, then please put all this garbage nonsense to the side. Dont call me out for being critical of a player that has been a mirage this season having some of you hypnotized by his higher than normal point total compared to his career norm. He has benefited greatly from playing with Panarin. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Cut the crap already. As I said, wonderful he has pumped up his points this year...yea well means nothing to me when he commits the most frustrating, lazy stick penalties and has stupid unacceptable decisions on the ice that directly led to goals against and robbed the team of extra points. Unacceptable. Plain and simple. I can live without a player like that. This isnt some rookie making mistakes. This is his 7th year in the league.

 

[Kovalev27]

Georgie will most likely get a 2 year deal. He’s done nothing to prove he’s a starter at this point. He hasn’t strung together 3 good games in a row. Something both Talbot and Raanta proved more than capable of going on runs and even still they both should have continued as backups. So I don’t see where this idea is that he will demand the starter position or demand a trade scenario might come in. We don’t owe him a trade to prove himself somewhere else. He can prove himself here.

we will get 2 more years of Georgie at 2 mil or less so he can show what he’s really capable of. If he’s so good that he should be a starter. We’ll trade him before his next contract negotiations.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Im not saying he’s the greatest player of all time but there’s a contingent of fans who think he’s straight garbage. Ironically many of these same guys are people who were going WILD that the Rangers need to sign a VERY risky contract to a historically inconsistent player player in Kreider. Meanwhile Strome is younger, will sign for much less term and AAV. Not unlike Kreider he benefits from great chemistry with a star, plays PP, but not PK. Both have been inconsistent but only one will be paid like a star well into their mid 30’s.
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there is some truth to that lol.

Being Strome’s numbers are good and he’s a RFA likely facing arbitration I’m concerned he’ll be rewarded above his value. I wish he was moved at the deadline and an weary the org kept too many pieces in place rather than have one more sell off.

anyway, the internet is what it is. I’ll never understand why some go on the attack as if one player dumped them on prom night and now they’re dating the other. Maybe it’s my age yet I can’t recall ever being so emotional over a player.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

He's a pending UFA, so they don't have to protect him even though he has an NMC.

My apologies...that'll teach me to read this stuff at all hours of the morning.

 

[Kovalev27]

I have seen nothing this year to suggest the org isn’t in love with Ryan Strome. I think at minimum he gets a 2 year deal.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I actually think it as gotten to the point where Strome is being underrated

agree here.

hes produced points at a clip for almost 2 seasons now. its beyond luck or whatever you wanna call it now. hes just a gamer.

his last game wasn't his best, and he did take 2 poor penalties but did you look at panarin and his lack of back checking last game ? stromes not the only guilty one. they flat out stunk.

strome is what he is. a guy who can play with our best player and both benefit from him and add benefit to him. he can skate, he can play D and he can produce points. hes been, by all accounts, very good or perhaps better than that actually for nearly 2 seasons now. hes kinda good at everything. those guys have value.

he wants to stay here, he should be affordable when you consider cost/pruduction and hes shown the ability to work well with panarin. well liked in the room and is the perfect 2/3C guy when none of our other expected 2/3C guys were seemingly ready. hes done a very good job.

hes criminally underrated around here because, i think, hes rather bland and an easy target.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He's an easy target because he takes a shit ton of bad penalties and is having a career season next to a guy who is on pace to have the 2nd most productive season in franchise history.

 

[NYR Viper]

My general sentiment is that the Panarin-Strome duo is not even close to the teams largest issue. Yes, Strome needs to learn how to not take so many penalties but if the guy will take something reasonable and the team has him riding shotgun every season next to Panarin putting up 60-70 points that's still of value.

3-4 years @ $4.5m

 

[DutchShamrock]

It would be a lot easier to take the anti-strome discussion at face value if people were objective from day 1. He was shredded from the start and all of his success has been dismissed as fake, unsustainable, or the direct result of someone else.

Valid arguments are used against him but the inverse is ignored. His shooting percentage was unsustainable but people would not acknowledge his overall points were suppressed by bad teammates in Edmonton and poor usage. His pp time explains his success this season but the lack of that does not explain lower point totals before. He found success with Panarin while other well respected players have failed to capitalize to this extent.

Strome is a flawed player. The penalties are lazy. He is propped up by an elite player. But, scoring in this league with or without elite talent is not easy. The penalties are fixable. Talent is less so. He is compensated like a flawed player. This team severely lacks top 9 players, and he can play any forward position.

Strome might be the odd man out in the offseason, especially if his pay reflects his point totals but not his shortcomings. It will be a hole if he's gone, and no sure thing that anyone currently here will have the same results. It's not an easy decision one way or the other.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My general sentiment is that the Panarin-Strome duo is not even close to the teams largest issue. Yes, Strome needs to learn how to not take so many penalties but if the guy will take something reasonable and the team has him riding shotgun every season next to Panarin putting up 60-70 points that's still of value.

3-4 years @ $4.5m

he deserves credit for not tanking Panarin production (I’m being serious here) but anything more than a 2 year deal would be a mistake

 

[Kocur Dill]

This is one of the worst hot takes I’ve ever read. The guy is on pace to put up over 70 points and he’s versatile. Ideally I’d see him on Panarin’s opposite wing with a two way center, but he can step in and play center which has value. The idea that a guy whose putting up over 70 points can’t play in a top 6 role is asinine. You can’t just throw Brendan Lemieux out there and get similar production. There’s a good chance he’d consider a reasonable AAV for a 3-4 year term and id be all over that. He’s also a perfect age to be a younger vet to the younger players.

Im not saying he’s the greatest player of all time but there’s a contingent of fans who think he’s straight garbage. Ironically many of these same guys are people who were going WILD that the Rangers need to sign a VERY risky contract to a historically inconsistent player player in Kreider. Meanwhile Strome is younger, will sign for much less term and AAV. Not unlike Kreider he benefits from great chemistry with a star, plays PP, but not PK. Both have been inconsistent but only one will be paid like a star well into their mid 30’s.

I also love the posters who constantly say he sucks, isn’t a winner, can’t play in a top 6 role etc... Then follow that up with “lock him into a contract and trade him for a big package next year!” ... it’s such an eye roll read...

I'm sure there is a lot of hyperbole in previous pages, it's HFB.

I think most rational fans just want to avoid paying him the William Karlsson contract at almost $6m per because of *one* seventy point season then he comes back down to a median of his career trend and settles in at 50 +/- pps.

If we can get him at 5/$4.9m - $5.2 then by all means roll the dice. He'll be a perfect above average 3c if we are a SCF competitor in the mid/back half of that contract and buffer in any kids we draft this year that will need time.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm sure there is a lot of hyperbole in previous pages, it's HFB.

I think most rational fans just want to avoid paying him the William Karlsson contract at almost $6m per because of *one* seventy point season then he comes back down to a median of his career trend and settles in at 50 +/- pps.

If we can get him at 5/$4.9m - $5.2 then by all means roll the dice. He'll be a perfect above average 3c if we are a SCF competitor in the mid/back half of that contract and buffer in any kids we draft this year that will need time.

IMO, it's a little more complicated than just pushing him down as an (overpaid) 3rd line center. Strome is a curious case because he's very valuable...when tied at the hip with Panarin. Say we are fortunate enough to cultivate a center that overtakes him on the depth chart -- would Strome be versatile enough to handle it? Would he be productive at all in a 3C role without Panarin? I doubt it, but I also don't want to pay good money and big term to find out.

Bottom line is I think both Strome and DeAngelo are going to get squeezed to the max in terms of both term and AAV. That's a byproduct of things just being the way they are with the short-term cap on this team, but its also because - particularly after the Skjei situation - I dont think the Rangers are going to be willing to pay for great performances over less than a full season for these 2.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

He pretty much lost us two games this year, the last one and that line change one.

 

[charliemurphy]

For all this Panarin-Strome talk... what do you say we discuss who would is playing RW on that line next season. No disrespect to Fast but I think we'd all like to eventually see Kakko or Kravtsov earn that spot. If not, who do folks think Gorton should be targeting via FA or trade?

 

[Tawnos]

The idea that Strome is not contributing to Panarin’s season is utter nonsense.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

For all this Panarin-Strome talk... what do you say we discuss who would is playing RW on that line next season. No disrespect to Fast but I think we'd all like to eventually see Kakko or Kravtsov earn that spot. If not, who do folks think Gorton should be targeting via FA or trade?

Slide Kakko into that spot.

Trade for Foligno.

?

Profit.

 

[Edge]

Not sure Strome is a whipping boy, so much as he more or less occupies the space formerly occupied by one J.T. Miller --- frustrating guy who gets points, besides sometimes looking like a recovering stroke victim out there.

The whipping boy slot is probably occupied by Howden at this point, with Trouba possibly serving as an understudy.

So we more or less have most of our role playing slots filled --- underrated player, promising young player we really hope takes it to the next level soon, guy we're including in every deal, whipping boy, guy whose contract we can't wait to end, prospect we've giving the benefit of the doubt to, prospect we're really excited for, 22/23ish tweener talent we want to see in more of an offensive role, etc.

 

[True Blue]

My general sentiment is that the Panarin-Strome duo is not even close to the teams largest issue. Yes, Strome needs to learn how to not take so many penalties but if the guy will take something reasonable and the team has him riding shotgun every season next to Panarin putting up 60-70 points that's still of value.

3-4 years @ $4.5m

I think that what you will see is $5X 2-3 years.

And then the board will be in full meltdown mode.

 

[True Blue]

The idea that Strome is not contributing to Panarin’s season is utter nonsense.

It is only happenstance that Panarin is on pace to destroy all of his old records. After all, anyone can just jump in and play with him.

 

[Lone Ranger]

I'm ok with keeping Strome on a reasonable deal, but only if it in no way complicates our signing ADA to an extension. Strome's contributions are replicable; ADA's not so much.