Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Edge]

I'm sticking with both sides coming together on a $5 million extension, for either 2 or 3 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not sure Strome is a whipping boy, so much as he more or less occupies the space formerly occupied by one J.T. Miller --- frustrating guy who gets points, besides sometimes looking like a recovering stroke victim out there.

The whipping boy slot is probably occupied by Howden at this point, with Trouba possibly serving as an understudy.

So we more or less have most of our role playing slots filled --- underrated player, promising young player we really hope takes it to the next level soon, guy we're including in every deal, whipping boy, guy whose contract we can't wait to end, prospect we've giving the benefit of the doubt to, prospect we're really excited for, 22/23ish tweener talent we want to see in more of an offensive role, etc.

Don't forget Lindy Ruff lol

 

[Off Sides]

Namestnikov signed a 2 year deal direct to UFA for 8M total after putting up 44 pts total the season before, only 4 of which were with the Rangers. A contract that saw him traded to Ottawa basically after the first year of it.

Strome is going to sign for 10M total for 2 years, one of which will be a UFA year, after putting up at least 58 points with the Rangers the year prior?

Or maybe he'll add another year at about the same rate where he can still be traded either before any clauses would activate or if there are not clauses in those UFA years?

I guess it's possible, yet I have to wonder, wouldn't he be better off just taking a one year at whatever arbitration gives him, play that out and become a UFA the very next summer?

 

[True Blue]

I guess it's possible, yet I have to wonder, wouldn't he be better off just taking a one year at whatever arbitration gives him, play that out and become a UFA the very next summer?

Because he may not be looking to go UFA. I hardly doubt that a GM out there will pay him at a 70 point player. That is first of all. Second of all, as I have stated many time, he has finally found comfort with a coaching staff that trusts him and with a team in a situation that he is comfortable with. He gets to play with one of the very top players in the league. Does he really want to blow all that up and just go and start over somewhere?

 

[Off Sides]

Because he may not be looking to go UFA. I hardly doubt that a GM out there will pay him at a 70 point player. That is first of all. Second of all, as I have stated many time, he has finally found comfort with a coaching staff that trusts him and with a team in a situation that he is comfortable with. He gets to play with one of the very top players in the league. Does he really want to blow all that up and just go and start over somewhere?

How much do the Rangers really like him if they are only offering a contract that is sort of tailor made to be traded?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I despise Strome but after putting up close to 70 points this season, if he’s not pushing for a long term deal of 20 million+, he should fire his agent immediately

Pageau, who’s probably a slightly worse player around the same age, just got 30 million over 6 years

 

[Fitzy]

An RFA salary arbitrator isn't going to give Strome more than around 5 mil per over a 2 year deal.

I'll also repeat what I have said regarding DeAngelo discussions in other threads- this isn't the time to trade DeAngelo. He won't get fair value back because he hasn't had multiple seasons at this level.

If, two years into his new deal, we need to deal him for a big package to get some cap relief and to free up Lundkvist? Sure. But not right now. Way too early.

 

[Off Sides]

An RFA salary arbitrator isn't going to give Strome more than around 5 mil per over a 2 year deal.

I'll also repeat what I have said regarding DeAngelo discussions in other threads- this isn't the time to trade DeAngelo. He won't get fair value back because he hasn't had multiple seasons at this level.

If, two years into his new deal, we need to deal him for a big package to get some cap relief and to free up Lundkvist? Sure. But not right now. Way too early.

The arbitrator could only give Strome a 1 year deal as that is his last RFA year.

 

[Fitzy]

The arbitrator could only give Strome a 1 year deal as that is his last RFA year.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[True Blue]

How much do the Rangers really like him if they are only offering a contract that is sort of tailor made to be traded?

Enough to sign him for several more years and see what happens.

 

[Edge]

I'm going to guess Strome's strategy might be to get get a nice payday, while remaining in an environment that is beneficial to him, before trying to get one more contract, while still in his 20s, and hoping that he can point to 3 years of scoring in the 60-70 point range.

Essentially gamble that there's more long-term value and money to be made by staying in an advantageous situation for a few more years before becoming an UFA, then by making this upcoming contract, as a RFA, his hill to die for.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Not sure Strome is a whipping boy, so much as he more or less occupies the space formerly occupied by one J.T. Miller --- frustrating guy who gets points, besides sometimes looking like a recovering stroke victim out there.

The whipping boy slot is probably occupied by Howden at this point, with Trouba possibly serving as an understudy.

So we more or less have most of our role playing slots filled --- underrated player, promising young player we really hope takes it to the next level soon, guy we're including in every deal, whipping boy, guy whose contract we can't wait to end, prospect we've giving the benefit of the doubt to, prospect we're really excited for, 22/23ish tweener talent we want to see in more of an offensive role, etc.

I’ve been saying this, I don’t know if there are 2 players in the league more similar than Strome & Miller. Some on here whine about us moving on from him because of his production this year, but he’s still as bonehead if a player as ever. I watch him every game as I’m from Vancouver and he still takes his patented offensive zone penalties, turnovers, in 3v3 OT on a DELAYED POWERPLAY he dumped the puck in. And he’s just as much a product of Pettersson as Strome is of Panarin

 

[Off Sides]

The whole thing in my opinion, (well not the whole thing but..)if Strome signs this 2 or 3 year deal he is likely to be traded once the cap hits of others start to rise.

So unless he has a clause in the UFA years and also believes the Rangers will not trade him (next season) before those clauses activate, he is opening himself up to not remaining in that environment anyway, being put in another environment not of his choosing, and staying there or being yet moved again for however long the remainder of that contract turns out to be.

 

[True Blue]

I’ve been saying this, I don’t know if there are 2 players in the league more similar than Strome & Miller. Some on here whine about us moving on from him because of his production this year, but he’s still as bonehead if a player as ever. I watch him every game as I’m from Vancouver and he still takes his patented offensive zone penalties, turnovers, in 3v3 OT on a DELAYED POWERPLAY he dumped the puck in. And he’s just as much a product of Pettersson as Strome is of Panarin

None of this means that "anyone can do it". Gomez did nothing for Jagr. Neither did Drury. Buchnevich didn't do anything with Panarin. Sometimes, players just mesh with other players. And there is no rational explanation aside from just "it works".

Oh, and Panarin is well on his way to having his best season. Ever. Maybe there is something to this chemistry thing.

 

[True Blue]

So unless he has a clause in the UFA years and also believes the Rangers will not trade him (next season) before those clauses activate, he is opening himself up to not remaining in that environment anyway, being put in another environment not of his choosing, and staying there or being yet moved again for however long the remainder of that contract turns out to be.

Or he wants to stay and see how many more seasons he can get to 60 - 70 points. And the Rangers are willing to have him here for multiple years as it will not break the bank and gives them time to see if Chytil can step into that role. And such an arrangement works for both sides.

 

[Avery16]

Namestnikov signed a 2 year deal direct to UFA for 8M total after putting up 44 pts total the season before, only 4 of which were with the Rangers. A contract that saw him traded to Ottawa basically after the first year of it.

Strome is going to sign for 10M total for 2 years, one of which will be a UFA year, after putting up at least 58 points with the Rangers the year prior?

Or maybe he'll add another year at about the same rate where he can still be traded either before any clauses would activate or if there are not clauses in those UFA years?

I guess it's possible, yet I have to wonder, wouldn't he be better off just taking a one year at whatever arbitration gives him, play that out and become a UFA the very next summer?

I mean, I hope he doesn’t sign that deal with this team, but does one bad contract mean that all our contracts have to be bad?

 

[SA16]

None of this means that "anyone can do it". Gomez did nothing for Jagr. Neither did Drury. Buchnevich didn't do anything with Panarin. Sometimes, players just mesh with other players. And there is no rational explanation aside from just "it works".

Oh, and Panarin is well on his way to having his best season. Ever. Maybe there is something to this chemistry thing.

This is a good point. Buchnevich only has a 2.25 points/60 with Panarin. You're absolutely right.

 

[True Blue]

This is a good point. Buchnevich only has a 2.25 points/60 with Panarin. You're absolutely right.

Oh, lo and behold. What is your point? Anyone can do it?

 

[Off Sides]

Or he wants to stay and see how many more seasons he can get to 60 - 70 points. And the Rangers are willing to have him here for multiple years as it will not break the bank and gives them time to see if Chytil can step into that role. And such an arrangement works for both sides.

You are looking at this from the Rangers point of view. From Strome's point of view if he is overtaken by Chytil he is likely either traded (maybe even to make more cap space to extend Chytil), or plays out his short term contract only to see a lesser one on his next deal due to Chytil overtaking him.

 

[haohmaru]

ugh, I detest this “logic”

If Georgiev plays ‘out of his mind’ - you god damn keep him.

Why is "logic" in quotes? It's not logical to sell high on a guy that's likely going to be a career backup here? If you get a 1st or 2nd + for Georgiev you take it and run. Hank can be a veteran backup/mentor for at least a year and then you sign a backup goaltender or use one of the other promising prospects we have in development. No need for both and this is a strong draft class coming up.

 

[True Blue]

You are looking at this from the Rangers point of view. From Strome's point of view if he is overtaken by Chytil he is likely either traded maybe even to make more cap space to extend Chytil, or plays out his short term contract only to see a lesser one on his next deal due to Chytil overtaking him.

I am looking at it from Strome's point of view as well. NO ONE is signing him as a 70 point player. NO ONE is signing him as a 60 point players. Will someone sign him as a 50 point player? Maybe. Or maybe they take a look at all of his other years and decide that they will not pay him that much.

Point being is that there is a deal to be made that is good for the team and good for him. And ultimately I think that is what gets done. $5m at between 2-4 years. He hits UFA at 28-30 with several 60ish point seasons under under his belt.

 

[Off Sides]

I mean, I hope he doesn’t sign that deal with this team, but does one bad contract mean that all our contracts have to be bad?

I am not sure who we are talking about?

My point was more along the lines of why is Strome signing a 2 or deal when what that entails, money, is not much different from Namestnikov except Strome would actually be selling a UFA year, and he has much better stats with the Rangers.

Then it turned into why he is signing that sort of deal, the answer was, cause he likes the Rangers and they like him, which turned into he has no way to secure that he stays after signing any deal, and soon it will turn into, if it is short term why is he leaving himself a UFA at age 29 when he could force a one year deal leaving him a UFA at age 27, unless he is getting significantly more money to do so.

 

[Off Sides]

I am looking at it from Strome's point of view as well. NO ONE is signing him as a 70 point player. NO ONE is signing him as a 60 point players. Will someone sign him as a 50 point player? Maybe. Or maybe they take a look at all of his other years and decide that they will not pay him that much.

Point being is that there is a deal to be made that is good for the team and good for him. And ultimately I think that is what gets done. $5m at between 2-4 years. He hits UFA at 28-30 with several 60ish point seasons under under his belt.

How can you have it both ways?

Strome is not a by-product of Panarin, he is good in his own right.

No one will pay Strome for what he is in his own right unless they deduct the Panarin effect.

And you are neglecting it does not matter what anyone else would pay him for his last RFA year, that could be decided by arbitration where his comparables are going to be other players who put up a similar amount of points whether they were playing with Panarin, someone like him, or not.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't think you will find anyone banging the 'Sign Strome for whatever it takes for 7 years!' drum. I do think many people wouldn't mind keeping him around due to versatility, production, age and potential contract.

If he asks for too much then you can trade him. If he regresses a bit and he signs a decent market contract you can trade him.

The Bruins signed Charlie Coyle to a long term extension. He's prone to long periods of average play. $5.25m per season.

Kevin Hayes got over $7m as a UFA from the Flyers with a NMC.

Guys who score 45-50 points a season are getting HUGE paydays.

If Gorton could lock up a guy who could compliment the teams best offensive player and score 60-70 points a season during his prime years for even $5m a season, you accept the warts and realize you just got VERY good production for that cap hit. You then try to augment that line with someone who can mask some of his deficiencies.

 

[SA16]

Coyle and Hayes are extremely strong defensive players in addition to their offense.