Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[Ola]

Where did everyone jump ship to?

www.davidquinnfanclub.com

Opps, too soon?

 

[2014nyr]

Horvat is 2 years younger and plays the biggest position of need ( 2C).
He’s also the better defensive player and likely won’t cost as much as miller in his next contract.
Him and miller do have similar contracts/cap hits for the next 2 years.
But if the plan is to keep strome( which I hope it isn’t) getting Horvat let’s you shift him to RW

i like horvat generally speaking for his age/size/skill, havent seen a ton of him playing though. not sure if he has that edge to him i love about jt, the fact it sounded like jt was basically pushing him early in the year makes me wonder. thats really what we need, someone in the top 6 who will be an ahole and not apologize for it. ive actually come around a lot on strome. i dont mind him as a 2c, but not when mika is the 1c. i like both, but i dont think you can have both as your 1/2. one needs to have some bite and physicality and able to make a night miserable for the opposition top line. if horvat can be that he works too

 

[Ola]

There is always going to be people who mix up the messenger with the message.

My take: Plenty of people here provide tremendous information. BBKers reported on our interest in Julian Gauthier a few months before the trigger was blown. Edge is 100% reporting solid information -- from the organization. Doesn't we want to read what some parts of the organization thinks? Then to the question if everything is correct, I think that is just besides the point. If you take upper management of any cooperation, organization, political party or what not -- you will never find a group that agrees on everything. If you are the CFO, CLO, CSO or COO of a big company, can you divulge what the CEO or Chair think on all topics? Of course not. There is speculation inside the ranks too. If one arm of the organization, the CSO/a scout in our example, feels we should cover a player and inquire about his availability, that will be done, doesn't mean that the "CEO"/Drury is in love with the idea.

There is for example a group around this organization who is very critical of players who doesn't have the right "pedigree". They view the team like someone trying to build a dog kennel that will produce 'best in class' prizes. Listen to Dave Maloney who is the most outspoken person that undoubtedly very much is in the know, in at least the outer rings of the oraganization, rumblings that is picked up by Brooks and so forth. Guys like Zucc, Stralman, Hayes, JT Miller, TDA and co -- from 1-2 years into their careers until they left you knew that their was a "but" in any description of these guys. Questions like 'Do the organziation really think they are worth long term deals?' are brought up. Everyone here can be like, hey a long term deal is only 50% of the equation, I would give Rooney 8 years if the AAV was 750k. But for this group, they don't view it like that. With mixed results.

My point is just, our organization is of course really diverse, information from it can be shared by everyone or by one individual. Is it still interesting? You bet. I take anything.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

“I've been reading this board for 7 years, posting here for 6 & I can't recall one time Edge has predicted a trade correctly before it happened. Can you? Maybe I'm wrong & not recalling correctly & maybe he did before I showed up here, but he usually shares information after the fact, when nothing can be confirmed or denied. Please cite an example & I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, but the fact that you continue to place all your eggs in that basket seems really odd to me. You're becoming Ed Jovonoski level of annoying with this.”

Off the top of my head we discussed Calgary, Carolina and other teams as those we were having discussions with. We pretty much had the McD to Tampa trade down before it happened. We discussed possible draft picks and trade discussions and other items even those that fell through, before they were picked up by outlets such as TSN, or Larry Brooks, or others. We’ve had situations where information was purposefully told to a mod or other posters before it came out so that we could specifically cite those conversations and shut down certain trolls.

But, to this point, many of those posters, including myself, are no longer here very often because we more or less abandoned this place over the last year or so.

The truth is, it’s just not worth it anymore for too many of us. So we move on. And honestly, I don’t see that changing any time soon.

Are you still available via DM? I basically only come on here and check for posts from you, BBKers and Bobbop. The rest of these boards are an alt right cancer recently.

 

[duhmetreE]

Are you still available via DM? I basically only come on here and check for posts from you, BBKers and Bobbop. The rest of these boards are an alt right cancer recently.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’d have moved VK, Strome, ADA and Georgiev long before Gorton.

So, I take it that means the contract talks have not been going well with Stromer.

p.s.- could have added Nils to that list but that's hindsight considering we never could expected for Schneider to look this good this fast

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Surprised no ones brought up Christian Dvorak in a while. Habs are going into a 100% rebuild, I am sure he would be on the table for picks/prospects. I personally don't see him as a replacement for Strome but I know some of you out there really wanted him before he was dealt to Montreal.

 

[McRanger92]

It’s not over until they acquire 1-2 more young centers. If it makes you feel better it can be an already established young player. But a 29 year old doesn’t count.

Also, since when do competing teams not use their own draft picks? Is it a rule, or is it holdover dark ages Rangers thinking that hasn’t been sufficiently eradicated from this traumatized fan base ?

Very likely the Rangers 2C going forward will be Strome or a JT Miller type. They aren’t moving into this contention window with anyone unproven in that spot. Isn’t Brad Lambert a winger anyway? How is an 18 year old helping this team in the near future?

 

[duhmetreE]

Very likely the Rangers 2C going forward will be Strome or a JT Miller type. They aren’t moving into this contention window with anyone unproven in that spot. Isn’t Brad Lambert a winger anyway? How is an 18 year old helping this team in the near future?

If they could land a guy like Bo Horvat and worry about the cap in 2 years.. That'd be something. Maybe Vancouver could eat a mill. He is kinda suspect production wise though... would he get that PP time here?

but Garland is the guy we'd want.

 

[Edge]

So, I take it that means the contract talks have not been going well with Stromer.

p.s.- could have added Nils to that list but that's hindsight considering we never could expected for Schneider to look this good this fast

They’re ongoing, but I’ve never quite come away with the sense that the love affair is as strong as Uncle Larry reports. There’s interest, but there’s never been a moment where it seemed Strome was the top choice.

 

[McRanger92]

If they could land a guy like Bo Horvat and worry about the cap in 2 years.. That'd be something. Maybe Vancouver could eat a mill. He is kinda suspect production wise though... would he get that PP time here?

but Garland is the guy we'd want.

Love Garland but how does he fit in the top 6? If Strome goes who plays 2C. It’s not a clean fit

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Was referring to remaining assets ie players who have not secured long term roles yet still have value as trade assets. Nils, Krav, Chytil and a first were suggested by some to get Miller (well, Chytil mentioned as sweetener to get another team to retain).

Of those four things plus like Jones and Robertson, you can’t trade three or four of them and then expect to have enough to find a young 2C or two.

I dont think all 4 would go in a miller trade. Also, those guys are not near the top of this orgs young players depth chart anymore. Schneider is younger and already shown more then Nils, and with the year Othmann is having its not difficult to see him overtaking Kravtsov soon

 

[Edge]

I’d bet money that Drury wants Horvat and or Garland.
I think both make more sense on this roster/timeline then miller does.
Any concrete interest in Copp edge???

I’m sure Drury will continue checking on Larkin and keeping tabs on that situation from now to the draft.
If Larkin decides he doesn’t want to resign there and waste 3-5 years of his prime in a rebuild, he’s likely Drurys # 1 target....
Too bad they couldn’t get something done with him at last years draft....
With the age/make up of our current team, he’s fit like a glove in that 2C spot.
Makes a ton of sense for their continued interest/ constant checking in as you’ve said.
I’m guessing it’s all going to come down to Larkin. Does he wanna stay and sign another big contract with a team that won’t be a playoff team for likely another 3 seasons??? Or does he wana move on...?

Rangers definitely checked in on Horvat. Garland would fit this team like a glove, but I think Vancouver would prefer to keep him.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

We’re still 1 of the top 5 youngest teams in the league.
shesty/Fox/Miller/Lindgren/kakko/LaF/
Schneider/Blais /hunt are all under 26 years old.
Panarin and Kreider will turn 30 this year.
Zibby/Trouba/Goodrow are the other old farts at 28
All those guys play key roles now and in the coming 4-5 years.
Othmann/Cuylle/Berard/Barron/Robertson/Jones and others coming.
Chytil, Strome, and Rooney are likely goners by the end of the year so not point listing them.
The only real grey bush is Reaves.
And it’s highly likely 1 of kreider or Trouba get traded before they turn 32 or 30 and are replaced in the line up by a younger player....
This team is in good shape for the next 4-5 years, likely beyond that depending on if some guys move out early

100% agree with this. Team is very young and our farm system is still pretty good despite that. Which is why I have no issue taking some of the assets weve compiled and using them on a guy who can help us go on a deep run this year or the next.

 

[Edge]

Love Garland but how does he fit in the top 6? If Strome goes who plays 2C. It’s not a clean fit

If, and I stress the word if, the Rangers were able to land Garland, it would feed into the possibility of Kreider being moved sooner rather than later.

There is at least one team that checked-in on Kreider and the answer was “nothing doing this season.”

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers definitely checked in on Horvat. Garland would fit this team like a glove, but I think Vancouver would prefer to keep him.

Glad to see you back, always appreciate it.

Do you think NYR asked about Hoglander?

 

[Edge]

Glad to see you back, always appreciate it.

Do you think NYR asked about Hoglander?

Hasn’t come up as far as I know.

He was a guy they loved back in 2019 and had tried to move up and select in the draft. But I don’t think Vancouver has any interest in doing that deal.

 

[rangers1314]

Hasn’t come up as far as I know.

He was a guy they loved back in 2019 and had tried to move up and select in the draft. But I don’t think Vancouver has any interest in doing that deal.

Makes sense.

You mentioned Detroit. Do you think that's a deal for rentals (Leddy, Names) or a younger player for younger player swap (Zadina, Velano)?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Are you still available via DM? I basically only come on here and check for posts from you, BBKers and Bobbop. The rest of these boards are an alt right cancer recently.

Come join us at the Pol Pot Hockey Forum!

 

[mas0764]

Very likely the Rangers 2C going forward will be Strome or a JT Miller type. They aren’t moving into this contention window with anyone unproven in that spot. Isn’t Brad Lambert a winger anyway? How is an 18 year old helping this team in the near future?

They need to get a piece for the mid future, not just the near future. Again, when did competing become meaning you ignore the future?

My understanding is Lambert is a center. If he was on a Lundell tier he’d be available within 2 seasons.

 

[rangers1314]

Come join us at the Pol Pot Hockey Forum!

All the REAL hockey talk goes down on Parlor, everyone knows that.

 

[mas0764]

I dont think all 4 would go in a miller trade. Also, those guys are not near the top of this orgs young players depth chart anymore. Schneider is younger and already shown more then Nils, and with the year Othmann is having its not difficult to see him overtaking Kravtsov soon

I have certainly seen most proposals for Miller revolving around 3 of those pieces.

It empties the chest for getting the long term pieces we need. And it’s bad value. It’s a no all around. Thank goodness Edge seems to be insinuating it’s not what we are really looking at primarily.

 

[MrAlmost]

Are you still available via DM? I basically only come on here and check for posts from you, BBKers and Bobbop. The rest of these boards are an alt right cancer recently.

Interesting you say that.

I have been thinking about that post from Edge and the conclusion I have come to is disappointment. Not just that they (the posters with inside information or connections) are posting less and less here with useful information, or that they feel unappreciated, but that they would, in a way, hold their valuable information that most of us want over our head.

I started reading these boards many years ago in high school, and signed up for an account later because this was the place to find information about the team I couldn't get elsewhere. And on top of that, it was the place to get information and avoid the other mediums that are lousy with bad takes and political turmoil.

I really hope you guys (the insiders) continue to post here, your information is appreciated, but if you choose to not post here anymore due to people questioning you or your sources, I have to say I will not follow to wherever it is you go. I have, thus far, stayed away from Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc., and I will not wade into those cesspools just to get a little Rangers inside info. As much as I may want it.

If anything, this place is still one of the few areas I can come and just read and write a bunch of stuff about hockey. I am not saying that politics or anything else doesn't or shouldn't ever come up, but other social media and/or internet based interactive sites are inundated with it, and honestly, I just want to do my work on my computer and read a little hockey info throughout the day.

TLDR; I hope Edge, BBKers, Bobbop, AK, etc. stay here cause I really do not want to read anything in those other shit hole social media sites.

 

[Edge]

Makes sense.

You mentioned Detroit. Do you think that's a deal for rentals (Leddy, Names) or a younger player for younger player swap (Zadina, Velano)?

I’ve never heard anything from the Rangers end on specific players, but others have speculated Leddy as potential target.

Names I am less sure about other than it feels like we’re strangely connected to forwards we already had and traded.

 

[Daves a mess]

I wish more people would liberally exercise the use of the ignore button to curate the forum better for



Granted, even with my significant usage of it, it still feels like a shitshow quite often

Haha true. Good suggestion for @Edge to consider.

Getting rid of the "Look at me", confrontational, chest pounders made this place world's better for myself personally.

I only block about 1 a month now haha.