Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’ve never heard anything from the Rangers end on specific players, but others have speculated Leddy as potential target.

Names I am less sure about other than it feels like we’re strangely connected to forwards we already had and traded.

Hey your contributions are appreciated. Forget about your “insider” stuff, you’re a fine poster and a nice guy it seems. You’re no Bern of course, but a nice part of this mosaic for frustrated NYR fans. Your reply to me is where you state that the love you received was so overwhelming that youre making a triumphant return to sharing. Stick to the script please

 

[jay from jersey]

Rangers definitely checked in on Horvat. Garland would fit this team like a glove, but I think Vancouver would prefer to keep him.

Yea, Horvat makes a ton of sense to me. The rift in the locker room stuff, great face off/2-way guy, only 26, and a captain.
I would think they’d want to pry him out over Miller.
I don’t think they wanna deal Garland either, especially for what they paid and still having that OEL anchor deal.
EP and Garland are 2 of the least likely candidates at fwd I think they’d give up.
But the pieces Drury seems to have in play ( Lundkvist/Kravtsov/Chytil/1st and 2nd picks etc)
There’s plenty of ammo to bring back a Horvat only signed for 2 years.
Horvat fits the age range that helps the current older crop of NYR guys go for it now, as well as being young and impactful enough to still be a factor when LaF/kakko lead the next wave charge of kids 24 and under...
Larkin is likely still the #1 target should he decide resigning in Det isn’t the best career move for him.

 

[rangers1314]

I’ve never heard anything from the Rangers end on specific players, but others have speculated Leddy as potential target.

Names I am less sure about other than it feels like we’re strangely connected to forwards we already had and traded.

Thanks again.

Next time you're at Rosie O'Gradys, drinks on me.

 

[SA16]

Surprised no ones brought up Christian Dvorak in a while. Habs are going into a 100% rebuild, I am sure he would be on the table for picks/prospects. I personally don't see him as a replacement for Strome but I know some of you out there really wanted him before he was dealt to Montreal.

Dvorak was bad in ARI, has been bad in MTL, and has a bad contract that for some reason people think is good because he's signed for 4.5M forever. I would not trade a 7th round pick for him because I would not sign him to the contract he has if he were a UFA.

 

[pld459666]

I’m not so sure I agree. Miller is still in that tier of “not a #1 center,” on a competing team. On top of that Strome has demonstrated chemistry with Panarin, Kakko and Lafreniere.

What other point per game center out there that is "not a #1 center"

If JT is not really a #1 center, then Strome really isnt't a #2. (both statements are clearly false)

You may disagree, but he is CLEARLY better than strome who while he has had a nice resurgence to his career, a significant factor in that is centering one of the top 5 wingers in the game.

Miller has outproduced Strome three years running and has done so without the benefit of a top 30 winger let alone a top 5 guy.

 

[SA16]

Horvat is worse than Miller at basically everything. He's not some great defensive player. I don't know why he has that reputation. Great defensive center Bo Horvat has an xGF% under 50 every single year of his career prior to this one.

In fact, of the 119 forwards with at least 2000+ mins the last 3 years he has the 6th worst xGA60 in the league - right next to some other defensive studs like Mark Scheifele, Patrik Laine, and Patrick Kane.

 

[bhamill]

What other point per game center out there that is "not a #1 center"

If JT is not really a #1 center, then Strome really isnt't a #2. (both statements are clearly false)

You may disagree, but he is CLEARLY better than strome who while he has had a nice resurgence to his career, a significant factor in that is centering one of the top 5 wingers in the game.

Miller has outproduced Strome three years running and has done so without the benefit of a top 30 winger let alone a top 5 guy.

Just for clarity, Strome outproduced JT last year.
I think most agree JT is better. Just not THAT much better, not Krav, a 1st and Nils better.

 

[GAGLine]

People don’t fully grasp that moving Chytil in a Miller deal helps the cap situation. Leaves enough room to sign Strome or replace him with an equivalent salary.

You need to check your math.

That's without a backup goalie or any spare forwards or dmen. If the cap goes up to 82.5 mil, we'll have another mil to work with, but that's hardly a given with some teams playing games without fans.

Maybe we squeeze Kakko a bit more, but Blais likely gets more than 1.6 mil on a multi-year deal. 1.6 mil is his QO, so he almost certainly isn't getting less than that.

If we move or buyout Nemeth, that creates another 1.5 mil in cap space (even if we trade him, he has to be replaced). Best case scenario is about 5.1 mil in cap space, and that space will be needed for a backup goalie, at least 1 spare forward or dman, plus at least 500k to make moves during the season.

If we trade Kreider, that changes the narrative, depending on how we go about replacing him. If Garland is the guy, that gives us another 1.55 mil to work with. Still not enough to re-sign Strome unless we plan to have no spares, which I doubt.

It's just really tight, and we've got to find cap space to re-sign Laf and K'Andre in 2023.

 

[JohnC]

Interesting you say that.

I have been thinking about that post from Edge and the conclusion I have come to is disappointment. Not just that they (the posters with inside information or connections) are posting less and less here with useful information, or that they feel unappreciated, but that they would, in a way, hold their valuable information that most of us want over our head.

I started reading these boards many years ago in high school, and signed up for an account later because this was the place to find information about the team I couldn't get elsewhere. And on top of that, it was the place to get information and avoid the other mediums that are lousy with bad takes and political turmoil.

I really hope you guys (the insiders) continue to post here, your information is appreciated, but if you choose to not post here anymore due to people questioning you or your sources, I have to say I will not follow to wherever it is you go. I have, thus far, stayed away from Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc., and I will not wade into those cesspools just to get a little Rangers inside info. As much as I may want it.

If anything, this place is still one of the few areas I can come and just read and write a bunch of stuff about hockey. I am not saying that politics or anything else doesn't or shouldn't ever come up, but other social media and/or internet based interactive sites are inundated with it, and honestly, I just want to do my work on my computer and read a little hockey info throughout the day.

TLDR; I hope Edge, BBKers, Bobbop, AK, etc. stay here cause I really do not want to read anything in those other shit hole social media sites.

I doubt it has anything to do with politics and more to do with the fact that the average poster here basically sucks and most of the people that have been around here for a long time and never left are pretty much unpleasant to converse with these days.

The posts here are 83% whining, 10% shit posting, and 7% actual good content.

 

[MrAlmost]

I doubt it has anything to do with politics and more to do with the fact that the average poster here basically sucks and most of the people that have been around here for a long time and never left are pretty much unpleasant to converse with these days.

The posts here are 83% whining, 10% shit posting, and 7% actual good content.

That's fair, but I generally don't see it that way. I can name more good poster then bad, if that even is such a thing. There are a billion pages of trade thread that just have a bunch of people discussing what they think might happen, or who they like, with occasional bits from the guys in the know. The Prospect thread and Hartford thread are great for information on players in the system. I still get useful information from the main boards on other teams or sometimes going to that teams board to see what they are thinking in their trade threads or whatever.

I feel like saying this place mostly sucks or is shit-posting is just a trope at this point. Like a cliche meme inside joke thing, but it is actually much better then the hellscape of Twitter, Facebook, etc. where most to all of the content is bad.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I doubt it has anything to do with politics and more to do with the fact that the average poster here basically sucks and most of the people that have been around here for a long time and never left are pretty much unpleasant to converse with these days.

The posts here are 83% whining, 10% shit posting, and 7% actual good content.

Mark this one down for whining

 

[pld459666]

Just for clarity, Strome outproduced JT last year.
I think most agree JT is better. Just not THAT much better, not Krav, a 1st and Nils better.

Three years running, Miller has 22 more points NOT playing with anyone on Panarin's level.

Hell, no one on Mika's level

 

[Blais to Win]

Surprised no ones brought up Christian Dvorak in a while. Habs are going into a 100% rebuild, I am sure he would be on the table for picks/prospects. I personally don't see him as a replacement for Strome but I know some of you out there really wanted him before he was dealt to Montreal.

How could anyone be surprised? He was just a flavor of the month conversational football. Like Miller today, Dvorak and Eichel yesterday.

 

[jay from jersey]

Surprised no ones brought up Christian Dvorak in a while. Habs are going into a 100% rebuild, I am sure he would be on the table for picks/prospects. I personally don't see him as a replacement for Strome but I know some of you out there really wanted him before he was dealt to Montreal.

I’d still take him here. He’s had an abysmal year so I wouldn’t off close to a 1st.
Just when he things he’s finally going to a competitive team, they sick as bad as Ari.
2 years 4.5?m mill plus cost to get him isn’t a bad band aid

 

[Blais to Win]

Three years running, Miller has 22 more points NOT playing with anyone on Panarin's level.

Hell, no one on Mika's level

22 more points/3 seasons? Wow. Game changing.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I doubt it has anything to do with politics and more to do with the fact that the average poster here basically sucks and most of the people that have been around here for a long time and never left are pretty much unpleasant to converse with these days.

The posts here are 83% whining, 10% shit posting, and 7% actual good content.

7.00001%

Kudos bumping up the vibe.

 

[pld459666]

22 more points/3 seasons? Wow. Game changing.

Amazing how you completely ignore everything else in the post.

Context is your friend.

 

[Blais to Win]

What other point per game center out there that is "not a #1 center"

If JT is not really a #1 center, then Strome really isnt't a #2. (both statements are clearly false)

You may disagree, but he is CLEARLY better than strome who while he has had a nice resurgence to his career, a significant factor in that is centering one of the top 5 wingers in the game.

Miller has outproduced Strome three years running and has done so without the benefit of a top 30 winger let alone a top 5 guy.

Didn't someone share the chart showing Strome/Panarin with/without the other and the numbers tilted in Strome's favor? Like - Strome was better w/o Panarin and Panarin worse w/o Strome. Was that a joke? Because if it was a joke, I understand your pov here. If not, and that data was factual, then your pov here is not supported by facts.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Three years running, Miller has 22 more points NOT playing with anyone on Panarin's level.

Hell, no one on Mika's level

Most of the dislike is surely based on reputation of his time here. Anyone consistently watching Vancouver games can see his game has really taken off since he arrived there. Not saying he's the last piece of our rebuild or he would bring up a Cup, but posters are being disingenuous if they don't see him as a clear upgrade on Strome.

 

[Blais to Win]

Amazing how you completely ignore everything else in the post.

Context is your friend.

About Mika? Make some sense then. I'm not getting it.

 

[pld459666]

Didn't someone share the chart showing Strome/Panarin with/without the other and the numbers tilted in Strome's favor? Like - Strome was better w/o Panarin and Panarin worse w/o Strome. Was that a joke? Because if it was a joke, I understand your pov here. If not, and that data was factual, then your pov here is not supported by facts.

Small sample sizes. Yes, the numbers without AP on his left are nice. I will not argue that, but if the team was THAT confident with that set up, then why are we not spreading the love and having Strome center AL and FC on the 3rd line?

 

[Blais to Win]

Most of the dislike is surely based on reputation of his time here. Anyone consistently watching Vancouver games can see his game has really taken off since he arrived there. Not saying he's the last piece of our rebuild or he would bring up a Cup, but posters are being disingenuous if they don't see him as a clear upgrade on Strome.

It's a clear upgrade like getting the Oldsmobile is a clear upgrade over the Buick.

 

[Blais to Win]

Small sample sizes. Yes, the numbers without AP on his left are nice. I will not argue that, but if the team was THAT confident with that set up, then why are we not spreading the love and having Strome center AL and FC on the 3rd line?

Don't know. I thought Chytil would have stepped up this season and shown enough to center the 2nd line. Maybe they thought that could have happened too? It's too bad.

 

[pld459666]

About Mika? Make some sense then. I'm not getting it.

About no one on Vancouver being as good or better than either Panarin or Mika.

The fact is that over the last three years, Strome has had the better teammates and still is trailing in the one thing he's decent at, putting up points because neither Miller or Strome are defensive players.

 

[Edge]

Thanks again.

Next time you're at Rosie O'Gradys, drinks on me.

Haha, that was my father's old haunt. I haven't been there since before he passed.

Back in the day I used to really like Annie Moore's, across from Grand Central.

That got torn down a few years back for another skyscraper and the new location, a few blocks down, lost a lot of that Irish pub charm.