Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[Lindberg Cheese]

Lundkvist remains a chip that is in play for the Rangers.

As for Schneider, I'm actually not terribly surprised by his ascent. I always felt he was much closer to ready than he was sometimes given credit for. I'd say his ETA is about on par with where I thought it might be. And that's welcome news.

His inclusion and performance in the Worlds sold me on his new track

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Nah. I get the sense that Kreider and Trouba are going to have some real nasty back aches that year and will need some nice LTIR to recover.

The kind that heal in late April!

 

[tomobson]

The only time I had an issue with anyone on this site was with someone with an ancient join date who started making things personal for some reason. For the most part I can't complain. This place consolidates all the rangers information in one thread. You can't beat that and I like reading everyone's opinion. Even if they bash on Chytil.

 

[Ola]

Who knows how the opinion around the team impacts its management, but I think that the only reasonable sentiment around this team should be that its tremendously risky and comes with so many negatives that it is hard to see how Drury even could consider adding more costs to this roster beyond next season.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm with you that Trouba is now far more likely to be moved earlier (though I might go further in that I'd suspect one of them is almost certain to be moved in the next 2 seasons). We have lots of defensive prospects, including a carbon copy of Trouba in Schneider.

At forward we are much thinner. Additionally, Kreider is cheaper.

Though I'm personally of the opinion that if they are gonna move Trouba then they should hold on to Nils.

Even if the move Trouba down the road, Nils won’t be playing the role he wants. He’ll be the 3rd pair RD playing PP2 minutes at best. The team clearly sees Schneider & Miller taking on special teams roles moving forward

 

[McRanger92]

In general, people's expectations on what we can d0 under the cap going forward aren't really in touch with reality.

If we sign Strome to a long term deal:
*We don't have any monies coming of the books before Shesty become a UFA in 2025 (besides ELCs and cheap depth players)
*The cap will be flat for another 3 years
->There is zero room, to pay anyone, add anyone or do anything but gradually become worse due to cap casualities for a period of 3-4 years.

If we were Tampa 2.0 coming of winning 2 Cups or something, I am fine with locking things up and accepting that your team only will become worse for a good number of years. But are we there yet?

Alone, squezing Kakko into a bridge deal just seems like an -- insane -- option lol.

Kakko is going to get the Chytil bridge deal and like it. No one is offer sheeting him and his production doesn’t warrant a large raise.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The only time I had an issue with anyone on this site was with someone with an ancient join date who started making things personal for some reason. For the most part I can't complain. This place consolidates all the rangers information in one thread. You can't beat that and I like reading everyone's opinion. Even if they bash on Chytil.

Chytil sux

 

[Boris Zubov]

Until recently I was an avid shade-tree mechanic. I developed a habit/problem with 80's -90's Mercedes that took some time to shake. But, it's a great hobby and I'm sure an even better profession. Solving a problem on an old car is an extremely satisfying experience.

It's a double edged sword. The positives used to greatly outweigh the negatives; the creative outlet & the satisfaction of resurrecting something from the dead are particularly enjoyable, but the recent supply chain issues have magnified what was always a huge problem...finding available parts that actually fit & function as original. Plus my body is telling me it's time for something less straining on my back & my joints.

Personally I'm in the process of transitioning to something else. I left the corporate world 15 years ago to pursue this, but now I've had my fill. The market for these old cars will never be higher, especially with all the green initiatives to reduce oil production & consumption. I have a strong feeling that in 10 years, these classics could be worthless unless guys want to convert them to electric.

 

[Lion Hound]

Always liked JT miller. On the ice he was a factor. Not too flashy, just seemed to get it done. back to back 2o goal seasons largely from the 3rd line. A 3rd line that was maybe the best 3rd line the Rangers have had in the last decade or so.

With all of those positives, I really don't see much of a difference with JT miller over Strome. I mean, you might see some more production out of him, but it's close. But factor the chemistry Strome has with Panarin. You never know if that will happen with Miller and Panarin, if...the idea is land Miller and replace Strome next year with him. There's a lot of risk there. Miller also will likely command more money if the idea is Miller getting a new contract next season with NYR. Like, is he going to come to NY and sign for less? There's really no evidence if Strome will sign for less either, but at the very least Strome earned that new contract on Broadway.

So if Miller comes does he slide into 3rd C? That great depth, but that the best use of all the assets the club has?

There's a lot of "If's" with trading for JT Miller.

 

[MrAlmost]

I just feel like any time i actually stop to read these boards lately theres some sort of non-hockey related politically charged BS, which brings out the nuts every time. In many ways these boards read quite similarly to Facebook lately and it’s incredibly frustrating to see. Back when there was actual back and forth about rumors that the vetted guys would bring I feel like there may have been some incentive to participate in conversation. Nowadays its just guys defending Tony D, crapping all over euro prospects for wanting to be treated better, and making subtle quips about vax mandates. There is an incessant amount of degenerates and degenerate behavior on these boards that have just made them unreadable outside of vetted posters and a handful of other guys that I have been reading for like 9 years now. I understand that the usual response is “if you dont like it then leave” so thats basically what I did. No use to complain or argue with strangers on the internet, i turn 23 tomorrow it is absolutely time to put being an idiot on the internet behind me lol. In response to your initial point about holding info over out heads I will say this, we are not entitled to anything, and these guys have very delicate relationships with sources. Close to the deadline every bit of news has an effect on pricing and negotiations, for them to just funnel information to us because we like it would be reckless and disrespectful to their friends/contacts that trust them with said information. It makes for fun debate, but it really is not their responsibility to keep us in the loop.

No arguments from me here on most all these points and I do understand how it can feel like those kinds of posts/comments/videos/etc. are everywhere and are tedious. I guess I see it more on those other sites and feel like I really can just get hockey info here. And again, not specifically politics, but I understand when things like politics, race, social responsibility, etc. come up in sports and I do not think it's always bad. I feel like I can engage with it at my pace on this site moreso then some others.

I, at no point, want it to be thought that I expect any information from our vetted posters. They are free to share or not at their will, and if they choose to share, it is welcomed, appreciated and makes these boards the reason I came and stayed in the first place. I guess the way I felt while reading it was similar to the people who post about putting people on the ignore list. It just seems silly.

Also, I, in no way, at any time, want to be in the "if you don't like it, leave" crowd. That is a childish and stupid way of dealing with anything. There is always an opportunity to be better and a valid criticism is welcome and if someone has a problem, what does it really cost you to listen to them? Not much, right? So the "just leave" crowd are the ones that can do that. It is a poor form of discourse and a blatant championing of their own ignorance.

 

[archanfelnsx]

Georgiev isn't under contract for next season, so trading him doesn't save us any cap space.

If he isn't traded and needs to be re-signed it'll come in at a similar number. If they are planning to part ways with him then just trade him. Don't let him walk for nothing as an RFA.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

no big trades are gonna happen - my prediction

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It's a double edged sword. The positives used to greatly outweigh the negatives; the creative outlet & the satisfaction of resurrecting something from the dead are particularly enjoyable, but the recent supply chain issues have magnified what was always a huge problem...finding available parts that actually fit & function as original. Plus my body is telling me it's time for something less straining on my back & my joints.

Personally I'm in the process of transitioning to something else. I left the corporate world 15 years ago to pursue this, but now I've had my fill. The market for these old cars will never be higher, especially with all the green initiatives to reduce oil production & consumption. I have a strong feeling that in 10 years, these classics could be worthless unless guys want to convert them to electric.

I heard you’re the one who chased Edge away

 

[MrAlmost]

It's a double edged sword. The positives used to greatly outweigh the negatives; the creative outlet & the satisfaction of resurrecting something from the dead are particularly enjoyable, but the recent supply chain issues have magnified what was always a huge problem...finding available parts that actually fit & function as original. Plus my body is telling me it's time for something less straining on my back & my joints.

Personally I'm in the process of transitioning to something else. I left the corporate world 15 years ago to pursue this, but now I've had my fill. The market for these old cars will never be higher, especially with all the green initiatives to reduce oil production & consumption. I have a strong feeling that in 10 years, these classics could be worthless unless guys want to convert them to electric.

I am hoping the market comes down cause 80s and 90s JDM cars are absolutely crazy right now. Can't even find one most of the time and when I do they are already abused. I finally have some money in my life and the market is still out of reach. Bullshit. Haha

 

[TheBloodyNine]

@Edge thank you as always for the insight and info. Much appreciated. Hope all is well.

 

[Fitzy]

Trouba to me just seems 1000 times more replaceable than Kreider if a big contact was to be moved.

Kreider may have to be traded eventually but in the next 1-2 seasons seems way too early and would make us a worse hockey team.

 

[GAGLine]

If he isn't traded and needs to be re-signed it'll come in at a similar number. If they are planning to part ways with him then just trade him. Don't let him walk for nothing as an RFA.

We may not have a choice. Georgiev's QO is 2.65 mil. Other teams know we can't afford to re-sign him, so they might prefer to wait until he becomes a UFA rather than giving up assets.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I am hoping the market comes down cause 80s and 90s JDM cars are absolutely crazy right now. Can't even find one most of the time and when I do they are already abused. I finally have some money in my life and the market is still out of reach. Bullshit. Haha

I actually had to google JDM, I deal with much older stuff, 50s, 60s, & early 70s. Every segment of the car business right now is hyper-inflated to the point of insanity. There's going to be a giant correction coming soon so just be patient.

 

[Thirty One]

I doubt it has anything to do with politics and more to do with the fact that the average poster here basically sucks and most of the people that have been around here for a long time and never left are pretty much unpleasant to converse with these days.

The posts here are 83% whining, 10% shit posting, and 7% actual good content.

"Speak softly and carry a long ignore list." - Teddy Roosevelt

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Caulfield stock is pretty low right now. Swap for Krav?

 

[pld459666]

Agreed. I just don't think it will be as big an upgrade as people think. People see Strome's warts because they focus on our own players but he's pretty decent for a 2C.

I agree. I was one of the guys that wanted to sign him to 5x5 before his current deal.

Worst case, hes producing better than tjat contract and would have a ton of value in a flat cap world.

 

[Thirty One]

Thinking about a possible trade with Vancouver. They just hired two assistant GMs who are LADIES. Who are the players who aren't in our long-term plans but are considered attractive? Think that's who they might target. @Tob any thoughts?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Homegrown player finally scores 30. Let’s trade him! Peak HFNYR.

"His value will never be higher"

 

[cwede]

If he isn't traded and needs to be re-signed it'll come in at a similar number. If they are planning to part ways with him then just trade him. Don't let him walk for nothing as an RFA.

sorry, I don't get what "Don't let him walk for nothing as an RFA" means?

you think they won't QO Georgiev? IMHO there is 0% likelihood that happens

if he signs a Offer-Sheet elsewhere, assuming AAV > $2,056M (and less than $4.11M+) they could choose to take back the compensation, a 2nd round pick

 

[Bruner4329]

Trouba to me just seems 1000 times more replaceable than Kreider if a big contact was to be moved.

Kreider may have to be traded eventually but in the next 1-2 seasons seems way too early and would make us a worse hockey team.

I love when posters say we have to. I guarantee that if he remains one of our most productive players he is not going anywhere and by then his salary may be a steal. I mean what he will be 32/33 by then. That is not freakin old. No reason he can't be as productive as he has been this year. And BTW we need to move him to what pay salaries for guys that have yet to prove they will deserve a big contract. This predicting what we need to do 2 years from now is so lame.