Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[pld459666]

Don't know. I thought Chytil would have stepped up this season and shown enough to center the 2nd line. Maybe they thought that could have happened too? It's too bad.

Chytil can't demonstrate an ability to play with Panarin if he's not given a shot to play with Panarin.

Now, I will concede that a big part of that is that Chytil has played like shit this year. I agree with you that it's too bad as that would have solved two problems.

 

[Edge]

So, I take it that means the contract talks have not been going well with Stromer.

p.s.- could have added Nils to that list but that's hindsight considering we never could expected for Schneider to look this good this fast

Lundkvist remains a chip that is in play for the Rangers.

As for Schneider, I'm actually not terribly surprised by his ascent. I always felt he was much closer to ready than he was sometimes given credit for. I'd say his ETA is about on par with where I thought it might be. And that's welcome news.

 

[Blais to Win]

About no one on Vancouver being as good or better than either Panarin or Mika.

The fact is that over the last three years, Strome has had the better teammates and still is trailing in the one thing he's decent at, putting up points because neither Miller or Strome are defensive players.

Ok, thanks. Still 22 points over 3 seasons is nothing. It was stupid to give up Miller when we did, he's a really good hockey player, but bringing him back at the cost folks are discussing is probably going to be even stupider.

 

[Anthony5967]

Miller is the move. Think about it, it's Strome or Miller after this season. Miller is one of the best players in the league since he started taking his game seriously in Vancouver. Imagine having Zibanejad and Miller down the middle, two big, speedy, game-changing center icemen? That's how you compete with the big boys and go deep. Have Vancouver retain and shoot your best shot at Rutherford. The issue will obviously be the price. How far is Drury willing to go. I have a feeling he's already put 1st+Kravtsov+Lundkvist on the table, which is why we heard Pagnotta say that Vancouver had an offer of three pieces from the Rangers. It would make sense. They may need a stronger prospect than Kravtsov, though.

 

[pld459666]

Ok, thanks. Still 22 points over 3 seasons is nothing. It was stupid to give up Miller when we did, he's a really good hockey player, but bringing him back at the cost folks are discussing is probably going to be even stupider.

I'm torn.

I see both sides, but ultimately, I would NOT make the move, but I can see the justification for it

 

[rangers1314]

Haha, that was my father's old haunt. I haven't been there since before he passed.

Back in the day I used to really like Annie Moore's, across from Grand Central.

That got torn down a few years back for another skyscraper and the new location, a few blocks down, lost a lot of that Irish pub charm.

I remember a while back you were messing with someone on here and said "yeah call me at this number" and posted an actual number. I googled it and found it hilarious that it was Rosies. My office is across the street. That was a big after work spot for some of us prior to COVID.

 

[Blais to Win]

I'm torn.

I see both sides, but ultimately, I would NOT make the move, but I can see the justification for it

Agreed. I just don't think it will be as big an upgrade as people think. People see Strome's warts because they focus on our own players but he's pretty decent for a 2C.

 

[Larrybiv]

A TDL where we add Miller and McD would certainly be something...

and we would even give them back Hayek and Howden.......oh, wait....

 

[Larrybiv]

We give up on young players too quickly?

We do. JT Miller is exactly, to the T, perfecta example of such. I was a huge JT fan, despite his warts. if only, if only we had kept him AWAY from that Tampa trade. I mean, what was the exchange for him? what did we get? Howden? prob a piece of someone else. trading McD was one thing, "giving away" JT, really pissed me off.
So, if only.....

 

[archanfelnsx]

You need to check your math.

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That's without a backup goalie or any spare forwards or dmen. If the cap goes up to 82.5 mil, we'll have another mil to work with, but that's hardly a given with some teams playing games without fans.

Maybe we squeeze Kakko a bit more, but Blais likely gets more than 1.6 mil on a multi-year deal. 1.6 mil is his QO, so he almost certainly isn't getting less than that.

If we move or buyout Nemeth, that creates another 1.5 mil in cap space (even if we trade him, he has to be replaced). Best case scenario is about 5.1 mil in cap space, and that space will be needed for a backup goalie, at least 1 spare forward or dman, plus at least 500k to make moves during the season.

If we trade Kreider, that changes the narrative, depending on how we go about replacing him. If Garland is the guy, that gives us another 1.55 mil to work with. Still not enough to re-sign Strome unless we plan to have no spares, which I doubt.

It's just really tight, and we've got to find cap space to re-sign Laf and K'Andre in 2023.

This is why its imperative to move Georgiev, Chytil, and Nemeth if not by the TDL then definitely in the offseason. These three players shouldn't be in the NYR's long term plan and this will shed about $7 Million off the cap which covers Miller's salary if they go that route. Finding an inexpensive backup goalie will not be an issue. Backup goalie is something you shouldn't spend too much on considering they play maybe every 4th or 5th game. If you cannot find a reliable, cheap backup goalie then you bite the bullet and bring up someone from the AHL and hope they surprise you.

Blais didn't play a lot this season, by no fault of his own, but because of thatt he shouldn't be asking for much of a raise. I think he'd accept his QO and he'd be a decent 3rd or 4th liner. Kakko is a double edged sword; he still has potential but his offensive numbers put him at a disadvantage in contract negotiations. $2-$2.5 Million is about right. His stats are very similar to Chytil's for his first 3 years and Chytil got $2.3 Million. Reaves is off the books the following season so that saves another $1.75 Million for the following season. Worry about Laf and Miller this time next year, not right now. They could progress or regress so you cannot prohibit yourself the chance of making your team better now for players like Kakko, Lafreniere, or Miller who have yet to fully break out.

 

[bobbop]

You need to check your math.

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That's without a backup goalie or any spare forwards or dmen. If the cap goes up to 82.5 mil, we'll have another mil to work with, but that's hardly a given with some teams playing games without fans.

Maybe we squeeze Kakko a bit more, but Blais likely gets more than 1.6 mil on a multi-year deal. 1.6 mil is his QO, so he almost certainly isn't getting less than that.

If we move or buyout Nemeth, that creates another 1.5 mil in cap space (even if we trade him, he has to be replaced). Best case scenario is about 5.1 mil in cap space, and that space will be needed for a backup goalie, at least 1 spare forward or dman, plus at least 500k to make moves during the season.

If we trade Kreider, that changes the narrative, depending on how we go about replacing him. If Garland is the guy, that gives us another 1.55 mil to work with. Still not enough to re-sign Strome unless we plan to have no spares, which I doubt.

It's just really tight, and we've got to find cap space to re-sign Laf and K'Andre in 2023.

My math is fine. If you think we solve this by trading Kreider, you’re the one who needs to be checked.

 

[Richard Banger]

Homegrown player finally scores 30. Let’s trade him! Peak HFNYR.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It's a clear upgrade like getting the Oldsmobile is a clear upgrade over the Buick.

Showing your age on that one. LOL. I say that as someone who restores old cars.

 

[GAGLine]

My math is fine. If you think we solve this by trading Kreider, you’re the one who needs to be checked.

First, I didn't say we are moving Kreider. Second, show me your math if you think I'm wrong.

 

[GAGLine]

This is why its imperative to move Georgiev, Chytil, and Nemeth if not by the TDL then definitely in the offseason. These three players shouldn't be in the NYR's long term plan and this will shed about $7 Million off the cap which covers Miller's salary if they go that route.

Georgiev isn't under contract for next season, so trading him doesn't save us any cap space.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Interesting you say that.

I have been thinking about that post from Edge and the conclusion I have come to is disappointment. Not just that they (the posters with inside information or connections) are posting less and less here with useful information, or that they feel unappreciated, but that they would, in a way, hold their valuable information that most of us want over our head.

I started reading these boards many years ago in high school, and signed up for an account later because this was the place to find information about the team I couldn't get elsewhere. And on top of that, it was the place to get information and avoid the other mediums that are lousy with bad takes and political turmoil.

I really hope you guys (the insiders) continue to post here, your information is appreciated, but if you choose to not post here anymore due to people questioning you or your sources, I have to say I will not follow to wherever it is you go. I have, thus far, stayed away from Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc., and I will not wade into those cesspools just to get a little Rangers inside info. As much as I may want it.

If anything, this place is still one of the few areas I can come and just read and write a bunch of stuff about hockey. I am not saying that politics or anything else doesn't or shouldn't ever come up, but other social media and/or internet based interactive sites are inundated with it, and honestly, I just want to do my work on my computer and read a little hockey info throughout the day.

TLDR; I hope Edge, BBKers, Bobbop, AK, etc. stay here cause I really do not want to read anything in those other shit hole social media sites.

I just feel like any time i actually stop to read these boards lately theres some sort of non-hockey related politically charged BS, which brings out the nuts every time. In many ways these boards read quite similarly to Facebook lately and it’s incredibly frustrating to see. Back when there was actual back and forth about rumors that the vetted guys would bring I feel like there may have been some incentive to participate in conversation. Nowadays its just guys defending Tony D, crapping all over euro prospects for wanting to be treated better, and making subtle quips about vax mandates. There is an incessant amount of degenerates and degenerate behavior on these boards that have just made them unreadable outside of vetted posters and a handful of other guys that I have been reading for like 9 years now. I understand that the usual response is “if you dont like it then leave” so thats basically what I did. No use to complain or argue with strangers on the internet, i turn 23 tomorrow it is absolutely time to put being an idiot on the internet behind me lol. In response to your initial point about holding info over out heads I will say this, we are not entitled to anything, and these guys have very delicate relationships with sources. Close to the deadline every bit of news has an effect on pricing and negotiations, for them to just funnel information to us because we like it would be reckless and disrespectful to their friends/contacts that trust them with said information. It makes for fun debate, but it really is not their responsibility to keep us in the loop.

 

[Blais to Win]

Showing your age on that one. LOL. I say that as someone who restores old cars.

Until recently I was an avid shade-tree mechanic. I developed a habit/problem with 80's -90's Mercedes that took some time to shake. But, it's a great hobby and I'm sure an even better profession. Solving a problem on an old car is an extremely satisfying experience.

 

[bleedblue94]

I’d gladly pay for Smith, but if I’m Vegas I’m exhausting every option not to give him up

I've said since the eichel trade that dadanov is the guy that makes the most sense for them to move

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If, and I stress the word if, the Rangers were able to land Garland, it would feed into the possibility of Kreider being moved sooner rather than later.

There is at least one team that checked-in on Kreider and the answer was “nothing doing this season.”

1. Thank you for sharing, so great to read some posts of yours again.

2. Kind of interesting to me that the NYR would be in on Garland, especially with essentially Kreider going the other way.

Drury certainly seemed to want to shape the team a certain way last summer. To add Garland at the expense of an elite power forward seems strange in that regard. Maybe they see someone like Kakko filling Kreider's net-front role well? And every $ counts against the cap I suppose, Garland does have a nice contract and is 5 years younger.

Also seems strange in light of the Buch trade. Dealing Buch for an underwhelming return, then going out and paying a presumably much higher cost for Garland to essentially fill the same role seems...inefficient. Though perhaps a recognition of a mistake / overcorrection made last summer.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’ve never heard anything from the Rangers end on specific players, but others have speculated Leddy as potential target.

Names I am less sure about other than it feels like we’re strangely connected to forwards we already had and traded.

Forwards he had but previously traded? So JT Miller and Vlad Namestnikov I could see as realistic targets. Who else though is out there that we used to have? Vesey, Fast, Hayes, Zuccarello, Howden, Lemeuix, Blackwell, Lias, Buchnevich. Blackwell could probably be had but I'm not sure I'd want him back. Fast I'd love back but no way Carolina trades him.

 

[McRanger92]

If, and I stress the word if, the Rangers were able to land Garland, it would feed into the possibility of Kreider being moved sooner rather than later.

There is at least one team that checked-in on Kreider and the answer was “nothing doing this season.”

Will all due respect, I’ll believe Kreider is getting moved when I see it

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Homegrown player finally scores 30. Let’s trade him! Peak HFNYR.

We’ll have to prior to the 23/24 season. Hope we get better than Blais and a 2nd

 

[Ola]

First, I didn't say we are moving Kreider. Second, show me your math if you think I'm wrong.

In general, people's expectations on what we can d0 under the cap going forward aren't really in touch with reality.

If we sign Strome to a long term deal:
*We don't have any monies coming of the books before Shesty become a UFA in 2025 (besides ELCs and cheap depth players)
*The cap will be flat for another 3 years
->There is zero room, to pay anyone, add anyone or do anything but gradually become worse due to cap casualities for a period of 3-4 years.

If we were Tampa 2.0 coming of winning 2 Cups or something, I am fine with locking things up and accepting that your team only will become worse for a good number of years. But are we there yet?

Alone, squezing Kakko into a bridge deal just seems like an -- insane -- option lol.

 

[mas0764]

Will all due respect, I’ll believe Kreider is getting moved when I see it

I'm with you that Trouba is now far more likely to be moved earlier (though I might go further in that I'd suspect one of them is almost certain to be moved in the next 2 seasons). We have lots of defensive prospects, including a carbon copy of Trouba in Schneider.

At forward we are much thinner. Additionally, Kreider is cheaper.

Though I'm personally of the opinion that if they are gonna move Trouba then they should hold on to Nils.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

We’ll have to prior to the 23/24 season. Hope we get better than Blais and a 2nd

Nah. I get the sense that Kreider and Trouba are going to have some real nasty back aches that year and will need some nice LTIR to recover.