Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[bobbop]

Would you do

Nils, VK and our 2nd for Garland

Goat and 3rd for Lek

Geo to Edmonton for their 2nd and 3rd.

Move Goodrow to center.

No to the Garland deal. Can’t afford him although I like the player very much.

Yes to the other two.

 

[bobbop]

If Vancouver can do better a 2 recent first round picks and a 2nd for a player who is signed for another 16-17 months, they should do it. Reportedly, the Canucks want to acquire forwards between the ages of 20-25. Chytil and Kravtsov satisfy that request.

People don’t fully grasp that moving Chytil in a Miller deal helps the cap situation. Leaves enough room to sign Strome or replace him with an equivalent salary.

 

[Edge]

You're Jeff Gorton. The only logical conclusion

I’d have moved VK, Strome, ADA and Georgiev long before Gorton.

 

[bobbop]

What if Halak came back with Miller

I fixed this for you.

(first posted about a month ago)

 

[Edge]

All of that makes perfect sense to me.

Any word on what Drury is up to this TDL? We see a lot of smoke but very little tangible.

The challenge is cost. The prices are high, Drury isn’t inclined to meet the prices right now and we’re in a situation where talks die or resume based on the prices coming down a little.

You have some teams, like SJ for example, who were engaged in multiple discussions but found themselves in contention or shifting their desire to move certain guys. You have other teams like Dallas where someone like Pavelski is stating his desire to remain.

Chychrun is the LD the Rangers have been eyeing for a while, but that’s not close to a finish line right now. They also remain a team where the Rangers have asked about one or two other guys on the roster, so Drury could very well pull a Gorton special and pursue those options and circle back to Chychrun in the offseason.

Miller is a possibility, but interestingly enough is not even the guy at the top of their wish list from Vancouver. He’s just the most plausible right now.

Detroit looms as a team the Rangers check in with regularly, but nothing has quite materialized.

 

[mas0764]

Miller is a possibility, but interestingly enough is not even the guy at the top of their wish list from Vancouver. He’s just the most plausible right now.

Pettersson!!!

 

[smoneil]

In the realm of "never gonna happen," would anyone trade Lundkvist and Othmann for Wyatt Johnston from Dallas? I love Othmann's game, but Johnston just checks ALL the boxes of what this team needs, and we'd be dealing from positions of strength (LW and RD) for a position of glaring weakness (high end young C).

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Pettersson!!!

Bo.

 

[RGY]

The challenge is cost. The prices are high, Drury isn’t inclined to meet the prices right now and we’re in a situation where talks die or resume based on the prices coming down a little.

You have some teams, like SJ for example, who were engaged in multiple discussions but found themselves in contention or shifting their desire to move certain guys. You have other teams like Dallas where someone like Pavelski is stating his desire to remain.

Chychrun is the LD the Rangers have been eyeing for a while, but that’s not close to a finish line right now. They also remain a team where the Rangers have asked about one or two other guys on the roster, so Drury could very well pull a Gorton special and pursue those options and circle back to Chychrun in the offseason.

Miller is a possibility, but interestingly enough is not even the guy at the top of their wish list from Vancouver. He’s just the most plausible right now.

Detroit looms as a team the Rangers check in with regularly, but nothing has quite materialized.

Sounds to me like Hertl/Pavelski could still be options depending on what happens over the next few weeks.

Wonder who is at the top of their list from VAN.

Kessel from AZ?

Larkin still the main interest in DET?

 

[BBKers]

“I've been reading this board for 7 years, posting here for 6 & I can't recall one time Edge has predicted a trade correctly before it happened. Can you? Maybe I'm wrong & not recalling correctly & maybe he did before I showed up here, but he usually shares information after the fact, when nothing can be confirmed or denied. Please cite an example & I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, but the fact that you continue to place all your eggs in that basket seems really odd to me. You're becoming Ed Jovonoski level of annoying with this.”

Off the top of my head we discussed Calgary, Carolina and other teams as those we were having discussions with. We pretty much had the McD to Tampa trade down before it happened. We discussed possible draft picks and trade discussions and other items even those that fell through, before they were picked up by outlets such as TSN, or Larry Brooks, or others. We’ve had situations where information was purposefully told to a mod or other posters before it came out so that we could specifically cite those conversations and shut down certain trolls.

But, to this point, many of those posters, including myself, are no longer here very often because we more or less abandoned this place over the last year or so.

The truth is, it’s just not worth it anymore for too many of us. So we move on. And honestly, I don’t see that changing any time soon.

Amen Brother. I feel your pain and concur. The demise is clearer than gin and saddening. Generational thing? I dunno…

 

[jay from jersey]

The challenge is cost. The prices are high, Drury isn’t inclined to meet the prices right now and we’re in a situation where talks die or resume based on the prices coming down a little.

You have some teams, like SJ for example, who were engaged in multiple discussions but found themselves in contention or shifting their desire to move certain guys. You have other teams like Dallas where someone like Pavelski is stating his desire to remain.

Chychrun is the LD the Rangers have been eyeing for a while, but that’s not close to a finish line right now. They also remain a team where the Rangers have asked about one or two other guys on the roster, so Drury could very well pull a Gorton special and pursue those options and circle back to Chychrun in the offseason.

Miller is a possibility, but interestingly enough is not even the guy at the top of their wish list from Vancouver. He’s just the most plausible right now.

Detroit looms as a team the Rangers check in with regularly, but nothing has quite materialized.

I’d bet money that Drury wants Horvat and or Garland.
I think both make more sense on this roster/timeline then miller does.
Any concrete interest in Copp edge???

I’m sure Drury will continue checking on Larkin and keeping tabs on that situation from now to the draft.
If Larkin decides he doesn’t want to resign there and waste 3-5 years of his prime in a rebuild, he’s likely Drurys # 1 target....
Too bad they couldn’t get something done with him at last years draft....
With the age/make up of our current team, he’s fit like a glove in that 2C spot.
Makes a ton of sense for their continued interest/ constant checking in as you’ve said.
I’m guessing it’s all going to come down to Larkin. Does he wanna stay and sign another big contract with a team that won’t be a playoff team for likely another 3 seasons??? Or does he wana move on...?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I’d bet money that Drury wants Horvat and or Garland.
I think both make more sense on this roster/timeline then miller does.

Horvat doesn't make more sense, he has the same term, same AAV practically, isn't as good and hasn't really played on the wing, although that is not too much of an issue, it likely wouldn't be that tough of a transition. But Miller plays wing and in the middle and has done both at a high level recently.

 

[Lgrsean]

Goddamn, this is so excellent I'm going to quote it twice and adopt it.

Rangers get Newhook in this deal.

Then:

Georgiev and a second to Edmonton for Holloway and Koskinen.

Then:

Kravtsov, 1st, 2nd to Arizona for Chychrun.

Re-sign Strome to a deal that is movable at any time.

Next year:

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kreider
Panarin - Strome (eventually Newhook) - Kakko
Othmann - Goodrow (eventually Holloway) - Chytil
Blais - Barron - Reaves (eventually Berard)

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Chychrun - Schneider
(eventually Robertson and Jones replace Lindgren and Trouba)

Shesterkin
Koskinen

Someone get me a kleenex.

1- Why would COL give up Newhook and how would they fit JT Miller under their cap? They had hopes for Newhook winning the Calder this year and he's like 40 games into his career.
2- Why would EDM give up Holloway for Georgiev and a 2nd? He's been ranked as a top 20 prospect.
3- How is it possible for you to go on and on (and be insulting at times) about the Rangers not being able to resign Strome (or Copp for less) and give Kakko a 2yr bridge with Miller @ $2.6M but then suggest taking on Chyrchrun's $4.6M while keeping Strome? I've said the Rangers would use $9.76M to sign Strome ($5.5M) or Copp ($5M), give Kakko a 2yr bridge($2.6M), and sign 13thF/7thD($1.65M). But you think the Rangers can sign Kakko and Strome for just over $5M combined now?
4- Othmann (just turned 19) is playing against teenagers right now. He's going to start on the 3rd line for us in 8 months? Meanwhile Jones and Robertson will spend how many more years in the AHL before replacing Lindgren and Trouba?

The Chychrun trade on it's own is reasonable (unless you consider the amount of cap and roster space you are tying up at our deepest prospect position), but when you add in resigning Strome, it's as unrealistic as every other off the wall move you suggest. It's crazy how critical you can be of other people's much more realistic ideas when this is what's floating around in your head. And what's more, even if I let you have the extra cap space, and you somehow made those trades, it's very unlikely that this group of players would ever combine to be better than the Rangers roster I have suggested.

 

[jay from jersey]

Horvat doesn't make more sense, he has the same term, same AAV practically, isn't as good and hasn't really played on the wing, although that is not too much of an issue, it likely wouldn't be that tough of a transition. But Miller plays wing and in the middle and has done both at a high level recently.

Horvat is 2 years younger and plays the biggest position of need ( 2C).
He’s also the better defensive player and likely won’t cost as much as miller in his next contract.
Him and miller do have similar contracts/cap hits for the next 2 years.
But if the plan is to keep strome( which I hope it isn’t) getting Horvat let’s you shift him to RW

 

[jay from jersey]

In the realm of "never gonna happen," would anyone trade Lundkvist and Othmann for Wyatt Johnston from Dallas? I love Othmann's game, but Johnston just checks ALL the boxes of what this team needs, and we'd be dealing from positions of strength (LW and RD) for a position of glaring weakness (high end young C).

that’s a tough one, I’d hate to lose Othmann, but Johnston’s gonna be a hell of a player.
Gun to my head, I’d probably do it.

roll a 3rd line of Goodrow-Johnston-Cuylle/Berard until Johnston matures a bit...
would be pretty sick

 

[Ola]

curious how things would look if Blais hadn't been injured. If nothing else I don't think the Rangers are as hard up for a top 9 forward in a trade

And what have I missed on Kupari? He either becomes an offensive 2C or isn’t a very valuable player. The chance of the former occurring is there for sure, it’s not like I would have been against getting him — BUT it’s far from a given.

 

[Alluckks]

I wish more people would liberally exercise the use of the ignore button to curate the forum better for themselves.

Granted, even with my significant usage of it, it still feels like a shitshow quite often

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Now you're just using bad faith BS to suit your bias. His role has changed because he's become top line player & a top 20 scorer over the past 3 years. I understand some not wanting to give up prime assets for him, but you nobody who'd being honest can deny he would make us a better team.

How many guys in the league can pull this off.

Neal Pionk can do that.

 

[Alluckks]

Neal Pionk can do that.

He could be the next Frolov

 

[Anthony5967]

Well that is the way we seem to be trending.

Swap in Shesterkin (who we already had) for Lundqvist, sign Panarin, have Fox force his way here, and get lucky with winning two lotteries.

Everything else, back to aging vets and stars. Trade our four best remaining young, buildable assets for a 29 year old with 18 months on his contract.

Rebuild was a sham.

Gorton and JD had their flaws but if things keep going the way they are going, the day they were fired will be the worst day in Rangers history. Thanks, Tom Wilson, for making Dolan step in.

They signed Panarin to a monster deal during this. He’s 30 now. If you don’t get going now, what was the point in signing him? So Gorton and Davidson were okay punting another season with Quinn behind the bench? Another year older for your franchise’s best player since Jagr, forward-wise. Great idea.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Well that is the way we seem to be trending.

Swap in Shesterkin (who we already had) for Lundqvist, sign Panarin, have Fox force his way here, and get lucky with winning two lotteries.

Everything else, back to aging vets and stars. Trade our four best remaining young, buildable assets for a 29 year old with 18 months on his contract.

Rebuild was a sham.

Gorton and JD had their flaws but if things keep going the way they are going, the day they were fired will be the worst day in Rangers history. Thanks, Tom Wilson, for making Dolan step in.

What four top young assets? Ignoring guys like Fox and Laf who are still young and not going anywhere. Schneider is already making a positive impact upon the team I highly doubt he is dealt anywhere. Also I highly doubt Othmann gets dealt.

 

[mas0764]

1- Why would COL give up Newhook and how would they fit JT Miller under their cap? They had hopes for Newhook winning the Calder this year and he's like 40 games into his career.
2- Why would EDM give up Holloway for Georgiev and a 2nd? He's been ranked as a top 20 prospect.
3- How is it possible for you to go on and on (and be insulting at times) about the Rangers not being able to resign Strome (or Copp for less) and give Kakko a 2yr bridge with Miller @ $2.6M but then suggest taking on Chyrchrun's $4.6M while keeping Strome? I've said the Rangers would use $9.76M to sign Strome ($5.5M) or Copp ($5M), give Kakko a 2yr bridge($2.6M), and sign 13thF/7thD($1.65M). But you think the Rangers can sign Kakko and Strome for just over $5M combined now?
4- Othmann (just turned 19) is playing against teenagers right now. He's going to start on the 3rd line for us in 8 months? Meanwhile Jones and Robertson will spend how many more years in the AHL before replacing Lindgren and Trouba?

The Chychrun trade on it's own is reasonable (unless you consider the amount of cap and roster space you are tying up at our deepest prospect position), but when you add in resigning Strome, it's as unrealistic as every other off the wall move you suggest. It's crazy how critical you can be of other people's much more realistic ideas when this is what's floating around in your head. And what's more, even if I let you have the extra cap space, and you somehow made those trades, it's very unlikely that this group of players would ever combine to be better than the Rangers roster I have suggested.

Yes, I said in a subsequent post, obviously the Strome/Chychrun thing doesn’t work, it’s pick one.

 

[jay from jersey]

What four top young assets? Ignoring guys like Fox and Laf who are still young and not going anywhere. Schneider is already making a positive impact upon the team I highly doubt he is dealt anywhere. Also I highly doubt Othmann gets dealt.

We’re still 1 of the top 5 youngest teams in the league.
shesty/Fox/Miller/Lindgren/kakko/LaF/
Schneider/Blais /hunt are all under 26 years old.
Panarin and Kreider will turn 30 this year.
Zibby/Trouba/Goodrow are the other old farts at 28
All those guys play key roles now and in the coming 4-5 years.
Othmann/Cuylle/Berard/Barron/Robertson/Jones and others coming.
Chytil, Strome, and Rooney are likely goners by the end of the year so not point listing them.
The only real grey bush is Reaves.
And it’s highly likely 1 of kreider or Trouba get traded before they turn 32 or 30 and are replaced in the line up by a younger player....
This team is in good shape for the next 4-5 years, likely beyond that depending on if some guys move out early

 

[mas0764]

They signed Panarin to a monster deal during this. He’s 30 now. If you don’t get going now, what was the point in signing him? So Gorton and Davidson were okay punting another season with Quinn behind the bench? Another year older for your franchise’s best player since Jagr, forward-wise. Great idea.

Panarin will be a first line winger till he’s 35.

And beats me why they decided to sign him. It shouldn’t have been to conduct only a partial rebuild. My assumption was to have an elite talent for when the rebuild was over; and it could have been over if they had been more aggressive about getting some young centers, but they failed at that, so on it marches.

 

[mas0764]

What four top young assets? Ignoring guys like Fox and Laf who are still young and not going anywhere. Schneider is already making a positive impact upon the team I highly doubt he is dealt anywhere. Also I highly doubt Othmann gets dealt.

Was referring to remaining assets ie players who have not secured long term roles yet still have value as trade assets. Nils, Krav, Chytil and a first were suggested by some to get Miller (well, Chytil mentioned as sweetener to get another team to retain).

Of those four things plus like Jones and Robertson, you can’t trade three or four of them and then expect to have enough to find a young 2C or two.