Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[wafflepadsave]

Copp would be a smarter add than Miller.

But this organization has never gone after players like that.

Can I like this 6 times?

 

[bhamill]

I do recall Edge specifically saying that in his mind the Blais deal was not the best offer. I know I specifically asked which was better and he said Kupari and a first. That by necessity means we could have chosen the LA deal at some point and not have taken the StL deal. Not sure how you can interpret it any other way.

Who said it was the 8th overall? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I’ve been saying all day it probably was not the 8th overall pick. I understand it was probably the 2022 pick and maybe had some protection. That being said saying it was just as likely a “contingent” pick is adding ambiguity that was not reported, so no, I don’t accept that.

Again, saying there was a better offer is not saying, there was a better offer at the time they made the trade. But I already gave the point for the sake of argument.
More than a couple of people have run with 8OA on various threads on here, I did not mean to say that was YOU so I apologize if it seems I characterized you that way.
It’s fine. You can believe it was unprotected pick with no conditions, as unlikely as that would seem from a bottom feeding team, but Edge gave no details. That is the point. Why do you reject the possibility that it WAS the 8OA then? Because it would be counter to how teams make and structure trades. Just like a team like LAK offering an unprotected 1st with no conditions would be highly irregular. And unlikely. Without knowing the year and conditions on it, including factual knowledge that there were no conditions if that’s the case, how we can actually judge how good of an offer it was? We can’t. That’s my point.

 

[mas0764]

Again, saying there was a better offer is not saying, there was a better offer at the time they made the trade. But I already gave the point for the sake of argument.
More than a couple of people have run with 8OA on various threads on here, I did not mean to say that was YOU so I apologize if it seems I characterized you that way.
It’s fine. You can believe it was unprotected pick with no conditions, as unlikely as that would seem from a bottom feeding team, but Edge gave no details. That is the point. Why do you reject the possibility that it WAS the 8OA then? Because it would be counter to how teams make and structure trades. Just like a team like LAK offering an unprotected 1st with no conditions would be highly irregular. And unlikely. Without knowing the year and conditions on it, including factual knowledge that there were no conditions if that’s the case, how we can actually judge how good of an offer it was? We can’t. That’s my point.

A first is a first. If it had conditions that reduced it to a second I’m sure that would have been mentioned. A first and Kupari is just better than Blais and a second.

They should have taken the Kupari and a first deal when offered, if it was pulled, but that doesn’t make any sense either, teams don’t pull offers in the few days it takes you to call around.

 

[bhamill]

Here, I found it:

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXIX

“One of them included Kupari and a first.”
Literally one line. He didn’t say they were both on the table at the same time, and the word “included” really indicates there was more to the deal. So again it’s impossible to judge.
But honestly it’s not worth arguing over this. In the end if you believe Drury is an abomination, which I’m not even saying you do, you’re entitled to your take.
I’d rather concentrate on agreeing with you that these trade proposals for JT are awful. Hahahaha

 

[wafflepadsave]

VAN boards offering a 3rd for VK.

Yeah that’s too much.

 

[mas0764]

“One of them included Kupari and a first.”
Literally one line. He didn’t say they were both on the table at the same time, and the word “included” really indicates there was more to the deal. So again it’s impossible to judge.
But honestly it’s not worth arguing over this. In the end if you believe Drury is an abomination, which I’m not even saying you do, you’re entitled to your take.
I’d rather concentrate on agreeing with you that these trade proposals for JT are awful. Hahahaha

I don’t see how there’s any logical way to construe that accepting the Kupari proposal wasn’t an option over the Blais offer.

 

[SA16]

8th overall was almost surely never offered for Buch alone. I don't know why anyone would believe that. If someone ever reported that they were almost certainly wrong.

 

[mas0764]

8th overall was almost surely never offered for Buch alone. I don't know why anyone would believe that. If someone ever reported that they were almost certainly wrong.

No one ever reported that explicitly, it was “and A first.”

There is every reason to believe it was the ‘22 first just like from the StL deal.

 

[Leetch3]

the pick would have been in 2022 just like the pick we got from the blues.

 

[mas0764]

the pick would have been in 2022 just like the pick we got from the blues.

Which would still be nice Lambert ammo.

 

[Tob]

Drury is hard to figure out. He swings for what he believes in like with Blais but he's also disciplined to not change what the organization is comfortable with giving up. He didn't budge on Eichel and he's held his ground on Kravtsov so far. This deadline is just so bumpy with Drury being the big question mark for us.

 

[Guyute]

Oilers are right there ready to be fleeced. Unfortunately it seems like NYR aren’t comfortable with Kinkaid in the backup role.

 

[CLW]

Drury is hard to figure out. He swings for what he believes in like with Blais but he's also disciplined to not change what the organization is comfortable with giving up. He didn't budge on Eichel and he's held his ground on Kravtsov so far. This deadline is just so bumpy with Drury being the big question mark for us.

Exactly this. Not sure if I should run in circles and panic or sit back cool as a cucumber trusting intelligent adults are in charge of operations.

 

[McRanger92]

April needs to get here already so people can stop complaining about Buch.

April of what year?

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think most everyone on our side has checked out of the VAN trade threads in main board... Those fans just don't get it for some reason or another

I just hope Drury doesn't do anything stupid and Miller doesn't get traded. Would be nice if VAN fooled themselves into think JT will resign and he walks on their stupid asses and they get nothing.

 

[McRanger92]

Need VAN to retain some portion of JTM contract for operability moving forward.

They either need to get him for cheap or Van retains. Otherwise just re-sign Strome and clean up in the rental market

 

[Kocur26]

Her the rumor on XM today that the Canadians want Lafrennire.

am I late to the game have you guys already discussed this I’m not going through 47 pages.

There’s no way I deal him for anything I’m a real and I have not been his biggest fan not a chance to ideal him to the team.

 

[Alluckks]

Drury is hard to figure out. He swings for what he believes in like with Blais but he's also disciplined to not change what the organization is comfortable with giving up. He didn't budge on Eichel and he's held his ground on Kravtsov so far. This deadline is just so bumpy with Drury being the big question mark for us.

Re-signing Fox to a reasonable contract, and signing the right coach were the 2 biggest things on his agenda that he "must" make. He did both of those well.

Zib contract was optional, but was leaning towards much desired by the organization. Lindgren contract wasn't supposed to be arduous anyway, but was desired by the organization as well anyway. Both of those went fine or even a little better than fine.

Goodrow contract was questioned, but seems solid thus far actually, and our big name players have commented on how big Goodrow and his attitude/work ethic/etc. has been for the team under Gallant.

Buchnevich trade is by the far the biggest blemish. But the Blais injury from a Subban slewfoot put a black eye on that from the get go. There was a hardly a fair shake to try and see it through so far.

Where the Kravstov development has been poor (and a majority of that came under Gorton regardless), the inverse can be said about the Schneider development, which has been great.

The Othmann pick has also looked very good.

My ultimate point is, I don't have the disdain for him that a few outspoken dumbos do, who are fixated on one player that they loved for whatever reason.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers will land a trio of

Garland

Giordano

and a depth forward

book it

Garland is a really good player but that forces one of Kakko/Strome out in the summer. And it ain’t Strome.

 

[Boris Zubov]

With Stone now going to LTIR and Vegas likely being able to ice an $85M+ roster in the playoffs...it really feels like the salary cap is more optional now than ever.

You can always find an injury and a vet looking for a break, though you still need to be good enough without them. I hope Drury makes plans to take advantage of this moving forward.

Not seeing where he's been placed on LTIR. This is the most info I've found...

 

[McRanger92]

Her the rumor on XM today that the Canadians want Lafrennire.

am I late to the game have you guys already discussed this I’m not going through 47 pages.

There’s no way I deal him for anything I’m a real and I have not been his biggest fan not a chance to ideal him to the team.

You didn’t miss much. Mostly talking about Rasmus Kupari for some reason

 

[Crease]

Drury is hard to figure out. He swings for what he believes in like with Blais but he's also disciplined to not change what the organization is comfortable with giving up. He didn't budge on Eichel and he's held his ground on Kravtsov so far. This deadline is just so bumpy with Drury being the big question mark for us.

Drury gets a bad rep for the Buch trade and for allegedly being behind the Wednesday Massacre. He’s done a lot well, including hiring Gallant and extending Fox and Lindgren on friendly terms. Gorton is highly thought of around here, but the McDonagh/Miller trade was arguably far worse than anything Drury has done.

 

[McRanger92]

Which would still be nice Lambert ammo.

If the Rangers had the Kings 1st this year it already would’ve been traded for JT Miller. The rebuild is over my friend. Act accordingly

 

[Circus86]

I don’t think any of us have much of an idea of what Drury might and might not do. As far as I can tell he’s been living like a hermit in a bunker pretty much since the beginning of the year. There’s almost no noise coming out of that bunker and yeah it annoys someone like a Larry Brooks to no end because he likes to speculate but if you don’t have sources or your sources don’t have anything it’s just throwing shit at a wall. Speaking of Seravalli the 33 year old Flyers guy his information on what the Rangers might do I suspect comes 100% from whatever somebody on some other team tells him. You can take that however you like but to me he’s full of just as much of the same shit as Brooks is flinging at the wall. Flyers guys make me suspicious anyway. As of now Drury is pretty much a blank slate.

Drury:

 

[Levitate]

curious how things would look if Blais hadn't been injured. If nothing else I don't think the Rangers are as hard up for a top 9 forward in a trade