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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

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Bacon Artemi Bravo said:
The offensive production speaks for itself but beyond that, the guy makes his linemates better. He has phenomenal chemistry with Panarin, which is not a given. He’s also a pure leader, on and off the ice. He sticks up for himself and his teammates and he’s doing and saying all the right things off the ice as well. I think he’s a great 2C and a lot of people think he’ll be so easy to upgrade but again, that chemistry with Panarin is not a given, and all the intangibles he brings to the table are great for all the young guys to see as well.
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Listen the offensive production .. nobody can say he isnt producing but it isnt about that. I believe his chemistry with panarin is overrated. Strome constantly just looks for panarin, they play cross ice passes that do not work. Their style of play together is limited against good teams and from what we saw in the playoffs last year they will get shut down.

Again my concerns with strome going forward is, he doesnt play defense, makes bonehead plays still, and cant win faceoffs. Strome is more tailored for the wing. For the price and the years that its gonna come down to, im looking at dealing my high profile prospects to go after someone who fits the right mold. Plenty of things can happen from now until the draft.
 
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What the hell is this
 
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Tob said:
What we are offering for Miller must read like delusion to Canucks fans but then they're doing the same thing in the opposite direction. I hope we are proven right but I also just don't want to trade for Miller unless the price is fair but he has too many suitors. At $2.88M cap or whatever for 2 years, you'd have to think FLA or COL is the team that is willing to go broke when their contention window is wide open.

I don't see how we beat what they're offering.
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Florida wants a D(Chychrun?) and Colorado wants Giroux.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Sergachev was the guy. McDonagh was signed until 2019. Two playoff runs. The Vancouver fans are singing the same song.
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Sergachev was always the guy that at least bordered on reasonable. But there were some, and still are some, way out there who thought Point was a reasonable ask.
 
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RGY said:
Miller is a better player. Easily.
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I’m not so sure I agree. Miller is still in that tier of “not a #1 center,” on a competing team. On top of that Strome has demonstrated chemistry with Panarin, Kakko and Lafreniere.
 
mas0764 said:
He did say it. I specifically asked him, as he said he didn't think the Blais deal was their best offer. I said, what were the better offers? He said Kupari and a first. Verbatem.



You wouldn't think a grown ass adult would get into a shouting match with a 20 year old kid and run him off to Eurasia to the detriment of your billion dollar franchise either, but here we are. A serious of ridiculous decisions beginning to become a pattern, and a JT Miller trade will be strike 3.

I will issue the caveat that it is possible that Drury is simply a spineless pawn instead of an idiot, and that Sather/Dolan are ordering him around.

Also, for like the 14th time, no one is claiming it was the 8th overall pick. I do assume there was probably protections and it probably would have become a first round pick in this coming year's draft.
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I think you and I are remembering the same conversation quite differently.
Let’s revisit:
You seem to be the only person who recalls Edge specifically saying that NYR had both deals on the table simultaneously and chose Blais and the second. I don’t think that was the case, he said that the LAK made an offer with Kupari and a first and also that the NYR did target Blais, but not that they were concurrent things. AS FAR AS I RECALL. But for the sake of argument let’s say that WAS the case.
Edge did NOT give specifics. Did not say that was the entire deal straight up, did not say what year the pick was, did not say what protections and conditions there might have been. Maybe it was a 1st in 2023 as I see many saying. I doubt there would not be a top ten protection on it. So now it’s before the 2021 draft and you might be looking at a 2024 pick. Maybe it was a 1st rounder contingent on LAK making the playoffs or winning one round, otherwise it’s a second. That wouldn’t look like the same golden deal now would it? There are a load of different scenarios we could be talking about even if I give you the benefit of the doubt. Making it seem like the 8OA and Kupari is just a false narrative for bashing.

Also, dude. You have to stop with the Drury boogeyman scaring poor Krav back to Russia by raising his voice at him. Especially when it happened the season before and Krav came back to camp like normal and only left (again) after he didn’t get his way. It just shows your bias against Drury and colors your other statements. Krav is what 22? He is scarred for life by getting yelled at? Please. I hear he’s had a privileged life but that’s RIDICULOUS.
 
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bobbop said:
While the Canucks have been better under Boudreau, there are still a stretch for the playoffs. Their cap situation, short and long term is a mess. The OEL contract will be an anchor for years to come. Rutherford has been very open about clearing cap space. They are not retaining. I like @RangerBoy suggestion of Chytil, Kravtsov and a second for Miller. Would fit both teams needs and budgets.
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If Vancouver can do better a 2 recent first round picks and a 2nd for a player who is signed for another 16-17 months, they should do it. Reportedly, the Canucks want to acquire forwards between the ages of 20-25. Chytil and Kravtsov satisfy that request.
 
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bhamill said:
I think you and I are remembering the same conversation quite differently.
Let’s revisit:
You seem to be the only person who recalls Edge specifically saying that NYR had both deals on the table simultaneously and chose Blais and the second. I don’t think that was the case, he said that the LAK made an offer with Kupari and a first and also that the NYR did target Blais, but not that they were concurrent things. AS FAR AS I RECALL. But for the sake of argument let’s say that WAS the case.
Edge did NOT give specifics. Did not say that was the entire deal straight up, did not say what year the pick was, did not say what protections and conditions there might have been. Maybe it was a 1st in 2023 as I see many saying. I doubt there would not be a top ten protection on it. So now it’s before the 2021 draft and you might be looking at a 2024 pick. Maybe it was a 1st rounder contingent on LAK making the playoffs or winning one round, otherwise it’s a second. That wouldn’t look like the same golden deal now would it? There are a load of different scenarios we could be talking about even if I give you the benefit of the doubt. Making it seem like the 8OA and Kupari is just a false narrative for bashing.

Also, dude. You have to stop with the Drury boogeyman scaring poor Krav back to Russia by raising his voice at him. Especially when it happened the season before and Krav came back to camp like normal and only left (again) after he didn’t get his way. It just shows your bias against Drury and colors your other statements. Krav is what 22? He is scarred for life by getting yelled at? Please. I hear he’s had a privileged life but that’s RIDICULOUS.
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I do recall Edge specifically saying that in his mind the Blais deal was not the best offer. I know I specifically asked which was better and he said Kupari and a first. That by necessity means we could have chosen the LA deal at some point and not have taken the StL deal. Not sure how you can interpret it any other way.

Who said it was the 8th overall? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I’ve been saying all day it probably was not the 8th overall pick. I understand it was probably the 2022 pick and maybe had some protection. That being said saying it was just as likely a “contingent” pick is adding ambiguity that was not reported, so no, I don’t accept that.
 
bhamill said:
I think you and I are remembering the same conversation quite differently.
Let’s revisit:
You seem to be the only person who recalls Edge specifically saying that NYR had both deals on the table simultaneously and chose Blais and the second. I don’t think that was the case, he said that the LAK made an offer with Kupari and a first and also that the NYR did target Blais, but not that they were concurrent things. AS FAR AS I RECALL. But for the sake of argument let’s say that WAS the case.
Edge did NOT give specifics. Did not say that was the entire deal straight up, did not say what year the pick was, did not say what protections and conditions there might have been. Maybe it was a 1st in 2023 as I see many saying. I doubt there would not be a top ten protection on it. So now it’s before the 2021 draft and you might be looking at a 2024 pick. Maybe it was a 1st rounder contingent on LAK making the playoffs or winning one round, otherwise it’s a second. That wouldn’t look like the same golden deal now would it? There are a load of different scenarios we could be talking about even if I give you the benefit of the doubt. Making it seem like the 8OA and Kupari is just a false narrative for bashing.

Also, dude. You have to stop with the Drury boogeyman scaring poor Krav back to Russia by raising his voice at him. Especially when it happened the season before and Krav came back to camp like normal and only left (again) after he didn’t get his way. It just shows your bias against Drury and colors your other statements. Krav is what 22? He is scarred for life by getting yelled at? Please. I hear he’s had a privileged life but that’s RIDICULOUS.
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Here, I found it:

Speculation: - Roster Building Thread - Part XXIX
 
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