I think they are still just as heavily interested in a top 9 forward. Maybe still 2.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A
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MarkMessyay11
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I'd do Alexis Lafreniere and Julien Gauthier for Cole Caufield, Arturi Lehkonen, Ben Chiarot, and a 1st Rounder in this upcoming draft (and pray they win the lottery for Shane Wright).
Here’s a list of guys I would like for us to inquire about. I don’t want any big name rentals. It doesn’t seem like the year. I don’t mind guys who we may be able to re-sign reasonably, but I don’t really have an interest in Giroux/Giordano/Pavelski.
Nils Hoglander
Tage Thompson
Artturi Lehkonen
Calle Jarnkrok
Andrew Copp
Lawson Crouse
Middle six guys who can slot up and who make our depth significantly better without breaking the bank. Imagine replacing Chytil and Gauthier with Copp and Hoglander or Jarnkrok and Lehkonen? With Goodrow as the third? That’s a massive improvement, IMO.
Nils Hoglander
Tage Thompson
Artturi Lehkonen
Calle Jarnkrok
Andrew Copp
Lawson Crouse
Middle six guys who can slot up and who make our depth significantly better without breaking the bank. Imagine replacing Chytil and Gauthier with Copp and Hoglander or Jarnkrok and Lehkonen? With Goodrow as the third? That’s a massive improvement, IMO.
I Eat Crow
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All this cap space they have needs to be used either for rentals that are fairly cheap (no 1st Rounders for a rental) or to take on some bad expiring contracts with a pick attached to them similar to what Arizona has been doing. This is the one year for the forseeable future where there is flexibility to have a stacked roster for a run. After this year, the roster will be pretty much set with cap space being minimal so trades will have to be dollar in and dollar out. Definitely try to move guys like Georgiev, Chytil, and Nemeth as they take up about $7 Million in cap space (assuming they re-signed Georgiev). That would allow them to take on a contract for next year for a player like JT Miller or Jakob Chychrun.
One guy who hasn't been mentioned much is Pierre Luc Dubois; he would cost a lot but he is an RFA and he hasn't worked out that well in Winnipeg. I'd do Kakko, Chytil, and a 1st for Dubois. If they cannot re-sign Strome then Dubois can be our center for Panarin and I believe they played on the same line for a while in Columbus.
Thats is an offseason move because it doesnt help us for this year. I'd only do it if Montreal wins the lottery. Then the Canadiens would have a choice of Shane Wright or Alexis Lafreniere.
Edge
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It is hard for me to keep up with the back and forth so I’ll just do my best to clarify what I think the discussion is about.
The Kings offer was Kupari and a first. There is some conflicting info as to whether it was a 22 or 23 first. It almost doesn’t matter because the 22 would’ve been lottery protected and so right now it would’ve been a 23 pick.
The Rangers specifically targeted Blais with the belief he could be a middle six guy who slides around a little bit and nets 15-20 goals and 30-40 points.
As such they valued the guy who was already in the NHL and for whom they liked the uniqueness, vs. the guy with arguably more skill but who wasn’t even yet an NHL player.
The part I never liked was that I didn’t view Blais as so much of a sure thing that the pick should’ve been a second. In the end the Rangers were willing to accept a 22 second and what they believed to be a middle six winger who gave them a different look.
The Kings offer was Kupari and a first. There is some conflicting info as to whether it was a 22 or 23 first. It almost doesn’t matter because the 22 would’ve been lottery protected and so right now it would’ve been a 23 pick.
The Rangers specifically targeted Blais with the belief he could be a middle six guy who slides around a little bit and nets 15-20 goals and 30-40 points.
As such they valued the guy who was already in the NHL and for whom they liked the uniqueness, vs. the guy with arguably more skill but who wasn’t even yet an NHL player.
The part I never liked was that I didn’t view Blais as so much of a sure thing that the pick should’ve been a second. In the end the Rangers were willing to accept a 22 second and what they believed to be a middle six winger who gave them a different look.
I would rather add Copp and Lehkonen (for example) than one player like Miller. I don’t see Miller as a significant enough upgrade over Strome, but Goodrow/Copp/Lehkonen would be an elite third line where any player can play up in the lineup and none of them cost a ton.
Dubois is a great option to be Panarin’s center but he’s also having a career year in Winnipeg and his father works for the organization. We should have traded for him when he was available and I advocated pretty hard for ponying up for him and was mostly disagreed with. Now it’s unlikely he’a moved and WPG fans are talking more about extending PLD and moving on from Scheifele.
All of that makes perfect sense to me.
Any word on what Drury is up to this TDL? We see a lot of smoke but very little tangible.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
Edge
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“I've been reading this board for 7 years, posting here for 6 & I can't recall one time Edge has predicted a trade correctly before it happened. Can you? Maybe I'm wrong & not recalling correctly & maybe he did before I showed up here, but he usually shares information after the fact, when nothing can be confirmed or denied. Please cite an example & I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, but the fact that you continue to place all your eggs in that basket seems really odd to me. You're becoming Ed Jovonoski level of annoying with this.”
Off the top of my head we discussed Calgary, Carolina and other teams as those we were having discussions with. We pretty much had the McD to Tampa trade down before it happened. We discussed possible draft picks and trade discussions and other items even those that fell through, before they were picked up by outlets such as TSN, or Larry Brooks, or others. We’ve had situations where information was purposefully told to a mod or other posters before it came out so that we could specifically cite those conversations and shut down certain trolls.
But, to this point, many of those posters, including myself, are no longer here very often because we more or less abandoned this place over the last year or so.
The truth is, it’s just not worth it anymore for too many of us. So we move on. And honestly, I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Off the top of my head we discussed Calgary, Carolina and other teams as those we were having discussions with. We pretty much had the McD to Tampa trade down before it happened. We discussed possible draft picks and trade discussions and other items even those that fell through, before they were picked up by outlets such as TSN, or Larry Brooks, or others. We’ve had situations where information was purposefully told to a mod or other posters before it came out so that we could specifically cite those conversations and shut down certain trolls.
But, to this point, many of those posters, including myself, are no longer here very often because we more or less abandoned this place over the last year or so.
The truth is, it’s just not worth it anymore for too many of us. So we move on. And honestly, I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Chalfdiggity3
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Do they know something?
I dont think so, I know my friend told me that people cant buy a Evan Mcpherson jersey, the kicker from the bengals, you cant even order one and have the custom name put on the back, completely sold out. Maybe NHL.com is having similar issues with their jerseys
NYR Viper
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Just go get Lehkonen and be done with it. Wait until the offseason
Chalfdiggity3
Registered User
@Edge I am truly sorry to hear that you left. I've noticed your absence lately and it sucks. I for one am extremely grateful for the information that you have shared with us over the years. Honestly f*ck the haters! I hope you know that for every naysayer and asshole out there, there are people who appreciate what you have done over the years.
Thank you for the knowledge that you are able to share.
Just hope we get quality value back for a former top 10 pick. Not some 3rd line checking forward.
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It’s not over until they acquire 1-2 more young centers. If it makes you feel better it can be an already established young player. But a 29 year old doesn’t count.
Also, since when do competing teams not use their own draft picks? Is it a rule, or is it holdover dark ages Rangers thinking that hasn’t been sufficiently eradicated from this traumatized fan base ?
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
You chose to cut my post in half here, which is unfortunate because the rest of it clearly stated that my issue wasn't with you, or your integrity. I happen to appreciate what you share & the insight you provide.
However I refuse to apologize because I don't agree with all of your suppositions or because I don't think all your information is accurate. I clearly said you weren't being intentionally misleading or dishonest, but that I didn't think your source(s) were 100% reliable or the info they were given was incorrect...probably through no fault of their own.
I also said that my problem wasn't with the info you provided, but that a specific poster decided to latch on to these proposed trades that were dead or no longer possible to the point where he could no longer continue a productive conversation.
Regardless, If I'm the sole reason you no longer post here, mea culpa.
MarkMessyay11
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It makes me sad to read this. Some people get so lost in their own distaste for fun and enjoyment that they can’t help but try to ruin it for others.
I’ve been around these parts for a while, even before I signed up and started posting. While I don’t post much, I do read a lot and I’ve always appreciated the information you’ve shared. It’s kept things interesting and fun to follow…for a site that’s used primarily to discuss rumors and speculation, you’ve provided legitimate information on both fronts.
And even if it was all BS, so what? I believed and appreciated all of it and still do.
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I addressing a very specific claim that involved me. Your beef with the other person is not my concern.
You asked for examples because you couldn’t remember, I gave some off the top of my head. There have been other examples where people have posted news reported and said “Edge brought this up X days/weeks ago and this was the board’s reaction.”
So to your specific comments, that’s what I can provide in response at the spur of a moment.
And no, your comment is not the reason I don’t post here anymore. It’s really not even a blip on my radar.
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You're Jeff Gorton. The only logical conclusion
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
And for the record, I have no idea what other posts may or may not have proceeded the one I quoted, because I’m really not on here much, but I went back and looked at the post I copied and I’m not sure which half I cut out. But if there’s a section I missed, I’d gladly take a look as well.
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