Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[Shesterkybomb]

No. Artemi Panarin allowed them to have two first lines. Not Ryan Strome. It never made any sense to play Panarin and Zibanejad together as I posted throughout the entire offseason after we signed him.

Pfffffft. Panarin is really good but stop will the silly talk. There's a reason the coach left him with Strome and didnt move Chytil up when that would be the easy thing to do. I get it, you either don't like him or think it's cool not to like him but he added to that line its ridiculous to say he didnt. He wasn't close to the best player on the line, probably the 4th best forward on the team, but the two of them know where each other is, they have chemistry and the line worked well, both players with career years. To say otherwise is silly.

 

[SA16]

Pfffffft. Panarin is really good but stop will the silly talk. There's a reason the coach left him with Strome and didnt move Chytil up when that would be the easy thing to do. I get it, you either don't like him or think it's cool not to like him but he added to that line its ridiculous to say he didnt. He wasn't close to the best player on the line, probably the 4th best forward on the team, but the two of them know where each other is, they have chemistry and the line worked well, both players with career years. To say otherwise is silly.

I never said the line didn't work well. I said it's a bad idea to bank on Strome being a major factor for it and paying him significant money because it worked (5M+) when I believe you can get similar production for far cheaper, use his money elsewhere, get some level of assets for him, and history has shown these guys largely produce no matter what.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I never said the line didn't work well. I said it's a bad idea to bank on Strome being a major factor for it and paying him significant money because it worked (5M+) when I believe you can get similar production for far cheaper, use his money elsewhere, get some level of assets for him, and history has shown these guys largely produce no matter what.

I'd agree with you if he was 30 years old but he isn't, he is just hitting his prime, it's possible he is better next year than he was this year especially if they find a RW to play with him. Having Fast on their line essentially made it easier to cover Panarin, add another threat on the right side and things open up for everyone. The gamble of of not keeping him and having nobody able to play with Panarin as well as Strome has would set this franchise back a year or two.

 

[SA16]

I'd agree with you if he was 30 years old but he isn't, he is just hitting his prime, it's possible he is better next year than he was this year especially if they find a RW to play with him. Having Fast on their line essentially made it easier to cover Panarin, add another threat on the right side and things open up for everyone. The gamble of of not keeping him and having nobody able to play with Panarin as well as Strome has would set this franchise back a year or two.

I find it very hard to believe the line will be better next year when we're talking about a line that had a higher shooting percentage than any Crosby, Kucherov, McDavid, Ovechkin season. When your expectation is to be better than career years of those guys your expectation is likely way too high.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I find it very hard to believe the line will be better next year when we're talking about a line that had a higher shooting percentage than any Crosby, Kucherov, McDavid, Ovechkin season. When your expectation is to be better than career years of those guys your expectation is likely way too high.

So if we add a 20 or 25 goal scorer to the right side would they be better or worse?

 

[SA16]

So if we add a 20 or 25 goal scorer to the right side would they be better or worse?

Likely worse

 

[bobbop]

Granlund has had a very disappointing season in Nashville. He's still someone I'd be interested in to help add some experience to our 3rd line or push someone else down who can do the same. I'd go 4 years @ something like $5m if he would accept.

Strome is also someone I'd go 3-4 years on. Hope to keep his cap his @ or below $5m.

Based on his performance in the last year and a half, Granlund will be nowhere near 4 X $5MM. Not even close.

Given the uncertainty around the cap, he will be lucky to get much more than 1 year at $4 MM.

Good bounce back play though.

 

[SA16]

Based on his performance in the last year and a half, Granlund will be nowhere near 4 X $5MM. Not even close.

Given the uncertainty around the cap, he will be lucky to get much more than 1 year at $4 MM.

Good bounce back play though.

The cap isn't uncertain. It's expected to remain flat. In other words it's expected to remain the highest it's ever been.

In the last "year and a half" so this year and the last half last year Granlund has 47 points in 102 games (38 pts/82) with absurd usage in NSH and being considered strong defensively.

Donskoi (37 points in 80 games in 18-19) signed for 4-15.6
Johansson (30 points in 58 games) signed for 2-9
Simmonds (30 points in 79 games) signed for 1-5
Connolly (46 pointsin 79 games as his first good year) signed for 4-14
Tanev (29 points in 80 games also known for defense/physicality) signed for 6-21

Here is a list of UFA who signed for 1 year between 3M-6M last year:
Wayne Simmonds (30 years old)

Here is a list of UFA who signed for 1 year between 3M-6M the year before:
Joe Thornton (39 years old)
Thomas Vanek (34 years old)

Here is a list of UFA who signed for 1 year between 3M-6M two years ago:
N/A

Here is a list of UFA who signed for 1 year between 3M-6M three years ago:
Shane Doan (39 years old)

Here is a list of UFA who signed for 1 year between 3M-6M three years ago:
Brad Richards (35 years old)

Notice a trend? So why is Granlund not getting more than 1-4? Because you don't like him?

 

[Crease]

Who are the realistic alternatives to Strome? I'm not saying there are none, I'm asking. It seems to me that the options would be to (1) sign a 2C or (2) promote Chytil and sign a 3C. If the dollar difference between Strome and the Mystery Box is $1-2 million per season I'm not sure I'm moving Strome.

 

[aufheben]

Who are the realistic alternatives to Strome? I'm not saying there are none, I'm asking. It seems to me that the options would be to (1) sign a 2C or (2) promote Chytil and sign a 3C. If the dollar difference between Strome and the Mystery Box is $1-2 million per season I'm not sure I'm moving Strome.

The guy I would be interested in signing for 3C is Johan Larsson. Larsson is great defensively and on the PK. His contract projection is 3-years $2.5M AAV. Erik Haula would probably be too expensive. Nosek, Spezza, and Soderberg will be available. Shit maybe even Tyler Ennis, he used to play center I think.

 

[SA16]

There is nobody any good available. Best bet if bringing someone in would be via trade. Soderberg but I doubt he'll be that cheap.

 

[aufheben]

Where did the $5M AAV for Strome come from?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Where did the $5M AAV for Strome come from?

I believe it's just a number people have been throwing around

Which it's probably accurate because why would he settle for less considering the year he just had

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why are we bringing in someone when we have a young 60-70 point center who plays well with Panarin already here on a team with center depth issues. Mind boggling.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why are we bringing in someone when we have a young 60-70 point center who plays well with Panarin already here on a team with center depth issues. Mind boggling.

Because everyone can put up 70 poins playing with Panarin, from what I've read

 

[aufheben]

I believe it's just a number people have been throwing around

Which it's probably accurate because why would he settle for less considering the year he just had

Less? I wouldn't be surprised if he wants more than Kreider makes.

 

[UnSandvich]

Less? I wouldn't be surprised if he wants more than Kreider makes.

Well hopefully Gorton's not that dumb. Anything more than 2 years or 4.75 would be a huge mistake

 

[aufheben]

Well hopefully Gorton's not that dumb. Anything more than 2 years or 4.75 would be a huge mistake

Another thing: why would Strome want 2-years? He's coming off consecutive 2-year deals already and he'll be 27-years old in July. If I'm him I'd either want a 1-year deal and get to UFA as soon as possible or (finally) a long-term deal.

 

[UnSandvich]

Another thing: why would Strome want 2-years? He's coming off consecutive 2-year deals already and he'll be 27-years old in July. If I'm him I'd either want a 1-year deal and get to UFA as soon as possible or (finally) a long-term deal.

Then he can sign that with Minnesota or something. Prior to this season he had ONE season over 35 points. What's more likely, that he's now a 50 point player? Or that he was absolutely carried to any sort of relevance by a Top 3 LW (at worst). No, he is absolutely not a player who should be signed long-term

 

[aufheben]

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Season[/TD][TD]Center[/TD][TD]5v5 Points[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2015-16[/TD][TD]Anisimov[/TD][TD]24[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2016-17[/TD][TD]Anisimov[/TD][TD]31[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2017-18[/TD][TD]Dubois[/TD][TD]29[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2018-19[/TD][TD]Dubois[/TD][TD]43[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2019-20[/TD][TD]Strome[/TD][TD]33[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Season[/TD][TD]Center[/TD][TD]5v5 Points[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2015-16[/TD]
[TD]Anisimov[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2016-17[/TD]
[TD]Anisimov[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2017-18[/TD]
[TD]Luc-Dubois[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]Luc-Dubois[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]Strome[/TD][TD]33[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

Who would you rather have at RW...Patrick Kane, Cam Atkinson or Jesper Fast?

 

[SA16]

Who would you rather have at RW...Patrick Kane, Cam Atkinson or Jesper Fast?

So now only do we need to pay $5M+ for Strome to center Panarin we also need to pay for a high priced RW? There was nothing wrong with Fast on the RW of that line.

I would think the fact that a Panarin-Strome-Fast line was better than both a Panarin-Anisimov-Kane line and a Panarin-DuBois Atkinson would tell all you need to know about how important the quality of his linemates is.

 

[Thirty One]

So now only do we need to pay $5M+ for Strome to center Panarin we also need to pay for a high priced RW? There was nothing wrong with Fast on the RW of that line.

Clearly not what he's saying. If you're going to compare his point totals with Panarin's previous centers, the other player on that line is very relevant.

 

[LokiDog]

I’ll say this, I’ve not been a fan of Strome but have been very hesitant to dismiss the fit with Panarin and essentially have accepted that he’ll be re-signed and will likely be our 2C for another year or two and eventually our 3C. I’m fine with it. I may not expect them to replicate this season but I can’t imagine they’ll fall off a cliff either. If they’re not having the magic season next year that they enjoyed this year than Chytil will get a shot, I’d imagine (which isn’t the worst thing) and if Chytil and Panarin produce together than I’m happy to roll with that combo going forward. Strome may as well be as good as re-signed already IMO though.

Given that I won’t dismiss the fit with Panarin thus far (nor his draft pedigree and the notion that age and maturity may have caught up finally) and have entirely come to terms with Strome sticking around, it does seem to me that the truth is that while Panarin may not have a career year like he just had if he’s playing with another center, I do think his career thus far (and that of other similarly elite talents) does illustrate that, whether it’s all time high 100+ point seasons or just “run of the mill” 85-90 point seasons, they will pretty much produce like superstars regardless of who they’re with. With that in mind, I wouldn’t balk at the idea of giving Chytil the assignment (with any number of wingers getting a shot on the right side - Fast, Buch, Gauthier, Lemieux, Kakko, whatever) and assuming that Panarin will still be in the 80-90 point range. Is a drop off of 10-20 points worth avoiding a 4-5M cap hit for 4ish years? Maybe. In today’s world, with the likelihood that 2-3 years from now the cap is on the rise again, is a 5M cap hit that big of an impediment, even for a 3C? I guess not, but it does seem entirely possible that while Panarin would produce a bit less with a center he didn’t have the same chemistry with, it’s absurd to expect he’d be anything less than a point per game player at this point.

So as much as I’m at peace with the presumed fact that Strome is sticking around and will be glued to Panarin for at least the foreseeable future, I do wonder if just having faith in Chytil and letting him have 40 games in that role before condemning him wouldn’t truly lead to similar results. Again, maybe not all time high totals from Panarin, but if Panarin was a 90 point player and Chytil was a 50 point player and we had 5M extra cap space, would you necessarily trade that for 20-25 more points from the top line, along with a 4/20M commitment to a capable but flawed 2C and Chytil being burried on the 3rd line putting up 35 points? I’m not positive.

 

[mas0764]

My friend told me there’s some rumor going around about the Rangers trying to trade for Barkov? Anything?