Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[aufheben]

But how do we know Chytil can have the same impact on Panarin that Strome had? And how can we know Chytil can have similar production to Strome?

Educated guess based on the fact that—like SA16 posted—most players who play with Panarin produce.

 

[Thirty One]

Stylistically, I don't think Chytil and Panarin seem a good fit.

 

[Thirty One]

Also, if we're concerned about signing Strome after playing with Panarin inflated his numbers, what do you think it going to happen to Chytil after next season? And we're potentially looking at a much longer commitment.

 

[aufheben]

Stylistically, I don't think Chytil and Panarin seem a good fit.

What statistics?

 

[SA16]

But how do we know Chytil can have the same impact on Panarin that Strome had? And how can we know Chytil can have similar production to Strome?

We don't. History tells us linemates with the top players are mostly replaceable. We're talking Ryan Strome to Filip Chytil. Not Ryan Strome to Tanner Glass. We're paying 11M to Panarin because he is that type of player that can lift up his teammates and make them perform better. Why are we rushing to pay the first guy he's played with here that did that? And why are we expecting it to continue? It's also generally not good to pay someone with the logic being "he plays well with player X" because now if something happens and player X gets injured the guy you just signed has his value tank since he can't do it on his own. If there was no salary cap by all means go ahead and sign him but every contract has an affect on everything else.

Additionally Panarin and Strome are likely not going to continue to shoot at 11.9% which for reference is better than Sidney Crosby has ever done in a somewhat full season (he beat it twice in a 22 and 36 game year), better than Connor McDavid has ever done in a season, better than every Nikita Kucherov season, better than every Alex Ovechkin season, better than all but one Malkin season, better by 2.7 points than he himself did with PLD in Columbus, and better by 1.9 points than he and Kane did together in Chicago.

I'm not even saying the replacement happens to be Chytil he's just the logical guy since he's already on the roster, can play center, there are no good FA, and the next guy on the roster after him is much worse.

 

[Thirty One]

What statistics?

 

[NYR Viper]

We don't. History tells us linemates with the top players are mostly replaceable. We're talking Ryan Strome to Filip Chytil. Not Ryan Strome to Tanner Glass. We're paying 11M to Panarin because he is that type of player that can lift up his teammates and make them perform better. Why are we rushing to pay the first guy he's played with here that did that? And why are we expecting it to continue? It's also generally not good to pay someone with the logic being "he plays well with player X" because now if something happens and player X gets injured the guy you just signed has his value tank since he can't do it on his own. If there was no salary cap by all means go ahead and sign him but every contract has an affect on everything else.

Additionally Panarin and Strome are likely not going to continue to shoot at 11.9% which for reference is better than Sidney Crosby has ever done in a somewhat full season (he beat it twice in a 22 and 36 game year), better than Connor McDavid has ever done in a season, better than every Nikita Kucherov season, better than every Alex Ovechkin season, better than all but one Malkin season, better by 2.7 points than he himself did with PLD in Columbus, and better by 1.9 points than he and Kane did together in Chicago.

I'm not even saying the replacement happens to be Chytil he's just the logical guy since he's already on the roster, can play center, there are no good FA, and the next guy on the roster after him is much worse.

Can someone look into how Strome performed this season without Panarin? I thought it was pretty well?

I don't see anyone asking to break the bank to keep Strome, but if he would accept a reasonable contract, the team would have 2/3 of their top-6 signed and sealed for the next few seasons with Panarin/Strome and Zibanejad/Kreider. Add in Buch (if he is kept), Kaako, Gauthier, Chytil and maybe someone else fits in well to help augment the lines and that's a team that can score quite a bit,

We've all seen time when players are propped up by other players. We've all also seen examples of players being broken up and both players taking a hit. See Jagr when Nylander left as a perfect example just with this organization.

I'd be less inclined to sign Strome to a medium term deal IF he wasn't versatile in playing center and wing. I'd almost prefer that he play the wing opposite Panarin moving forward. Let those guys continue to augment eachother as they did this season and find a 3rd player who fits. Maybe it's Chytil. Maybe it's someone else.

 

[SA16]

Can someone look into how Strome performed this season without Panarin? I thought it was pretty well?

0 goals, 7 assists, 21 shots on goal, 44.7 CF% in about 250 min.

 

[UnSandvich]

My problem with keeping Strome is that almost assuredly that will lead to us needing to trade either Buch or DeAngelo to make cap work in the near future. And for my money, both are FAR better players than Strome

 

[True Blue]

Educated guess based on the fact that—like SA16 posted—most players who play with Panarin produce.

Jagr.....Gomez.......Drury.....

 

[True Blue]

$5 mil/year while he puts up 70+ points next to panarin would make it a great value contract

And that is where I think a deal gets done, somewhere between 2-4 years.

 

[aufheben]

$5 mil/year while he puts up 70+ points next to panarin would make it a great value contract

Great value for the Rangers means bad value for Strome. Aim higher. He’s already taken 2-year deals twice, is he going to want to take 3 in a row? That will also make him 29-years-old when he hits UFA status which isn’t good for him either.

 

[True Blue]

I would rather sign two quality depth players to improve the 3rd line and just play Chytil in Strome's spot than pay to keep a spot I find very replaceable.

The "anyone can do it" argument again?

 

[True Blue]

I don't see anyone asking to break the bank to keep Strome, but if he would accept a reasonable contract, the team would have 2/3 of their top-6 signed and sealed for the next few seasons with Panarin/Strome and Zibanejad/Kreider. Add in Buch (if he is kept), Kaako, Gauthier, Chytil and maybe someone else fits in well to help augment the lines and that's a team that can score quite a bit,

The ability to be able to deploy Kreider and ZBad away from Panarin is very valuable and that is what Strome enables the coaching staff to do.

 

[aufheben]

The "anyone can do it" argument again?

It’s Chytil not McKegg.

 

[SA16]

You are severely overestimating the chance Strome scores 70 points next year. First off, he's just exactly on pace for that this year. Second, he's not particularly likely to be PP1. Third, as I posted above he+Panarin have a higher on ice shooting percentage than Crosby, Malkin, Kucherov, Ovechkin, McDavid have ever had in a full year (less one Malkin year).

 

[True Blue]

It’s Chytil not McKegg.

That makes no difference. Again, by that theory either Drury or Gomez should have been able to perform next to Jagr. Neither did. Nylander performed seamlessly.

 

[SA16]

That makes no difference. Again, by that theory either Drury or Gomez should have been able to perform next to Jagr. Neither did. Nylander performed seamlessly.

Jagr was 35 years old that year, scored 71 points, and never again scored that many points in a season. Weird to blame his linemates for that one. League scoring in 07-08 was also down from 3.08 goals/game in 15-16 to 2.78 goals/game. Powerplays were down from 5.85 per game to 4.28.

 

[Thirty One]

That makes no difference. Again, by that theory either Drury or Gomez should have been able to perform next to Jagr. Neither did. Nylander performed seamlessly.

It makes no difference if it's Chytil or McKegg?

I think we're underrating the impact of Jagr's age on his declining production.

 

[Vitto79]

Elvis in CLB for 4 per and Korpisalo only 2.8? .... Geogiev gonna be Atleast 2 mil like the Colorado backup

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Can someone look into how Strome performed this season without Panarin? I thought it was pretty well?

I don't see anyone asking to break the bank to keep Strome, but if he would accept a reasonable contract, the team would have 2/3 of their top-6 signed and sealed for the next few seasons with Panarin/Strome and Zibanejad/Kreider. Add in Buch (if he is kept), Kaako, Gauthier, Chytil and maybe someone else fits in well to help augment the lines and that's a team that can score quite a bit,

We've all seen time when players are propped up by other players. We've all also seen examples of players being broken up and both players taking a hit. See Jagr when Nylander left as a perfect example just with this organization.

I'd be less inclined to sign Strome to a medium term deal IF he wasn't versatile in playing center and wing. I'd almost prefer that he play the wing opposite Panarin moving forward. Let those guys continue to augment eachother as they did this season and find a 3rd player who fits. Maybe it's Chytil. Maybe it's someone else.

Just look at his stats from last year, did pretty well, obviously a star player on your wing will increase your stats big time but he was good last year and I'd say more of a shooter than he was this year with Panarin on his line. I'd keep him but not on a 6 or 7 year deal or something like that. If he is our 3rd line center when we are going for it, it will mean we are pretty deep, like when Hayes was our 3rdC a few years back. Dollars and term will determine if he is here or not. I'm good with roughly 20 over 4 years or I'd even stretch for the 5th year but we know him and Panarin(yes it's mostly him but the two of them compliment each other) can carry a line, when we have a better shooter on the right side it could be unreal.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The ability to be able to deploy Kreider and ZBad away from Panarin is very valuable and that is what Strome enables the coaching staff to do.

Exactly having Strome this year essentially gave us 2 1st lines with Zib and Kreider and Strome and Panarin together.

 

[SA16]

Exactly having Strome this year essentially gave us 2 1st lines with Zib and Kreider and Strome and Panarin together.

No it didn't.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

No it didn't.

Ya it did. When Zib got hurt, Strome jumped into his spot and we kept winning, it was that injury that led to Strome and Panarin stayin together.

 

[SA16]

Ya it did. When Zib got hurt, Strome jumped into his spot and we kept winning, it was that injury that led to Strome and Panarin stayin together.

No. Artemi Panarin allowed them to have two first lines. Not Ryan Strome. It never made any sense to play Panarin and Zibanejad together as I posted throughout the entire offseason after we signed him.