Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Assuming we are talking the same amount of years Granlund but actually neither.

I would love to see a Panarin-Granlund-Kakko line.

 

[SA16]

I would love to see a Panarin-Granlund-Kakko line.

I think this FA class is so bad that there is not a single player I would want the Rangers to sign for more than a two year deal - and the only reason I'd even go to two is so they can be exposed in expansion. In terms of stopgap centers Soderberg seems like a decent option but the FA class is so bad he's arguably the best center available (I'm not counting Granlund who hasn't played center full time in 4 years).

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think this FA class is so bad that there is not a single player I would want the Rangers to sign for more than a two year deal - and the only reason I'd even go to two is so they can be exposed in expansion. In terms of stopgap centers Soderberg seems like a decent option but the FA class is so bad he's arguably the best center available (I'm not counting Granlund who hasn't played center full time in 4 years).

And you wouldn't re-sign Strome either?

 

[SA16]

And you wouldn't re-sign Strome either?

Only to a short term deal and only if there isn't a team willing to trade something good for him. I'm fine going into the year with Chytil as 2C and admitting that 3C/4C are going to be a problem that will have to be addressed by hoping one of the not-great prospects is competent, signing an older veteran, or via trade. If you're proposing a contract of 5.5M though I'm just trading him for the best deal no matter what it is over signing him for any amount of term.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Only to a short term deal and only if there isn't a team willing to trade something good for him. I'm fine going into the year with Chytil as 2C and admitting that 3C/4C are going to be a problem that will have to be addressed by hoping one of the not-great prospects is competent, signing an older veteran, or via trade. If you're proposing a contract of 5.5M though I'm just trading him for the best deal no matter what it is over signing him for any amount of term.

I'm not convinced Chytil can have the same impact playing with Panarin as Strome has this season. With all the "Strome is only good because of Panarin" arguments, I can't ignore the fact that Panarin hit career highs in every scoring category while only playing 69 games

 

[SA16]

I'm not convinced Chytil can have the same impact playing with Panarin as Strome has this season. With all the "Strome is only good because of Panarin" arguments, I can't ignore the fact that Panarin hit career highs in every scoring category while only playing 69 games

I am more convinced that Panarin can produce with anyone than I am that we need to pay 5M+ for someone to do so. He had 11 points in 135 minutes with Chytil anyway (of which 9-11 came without Strome on the ice I can't tell exactly how many). An insignificant sample of course but certainly not a lack of production.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I am more convinced that Panarin can produce with anyone than I am that we need to pay 5M+ for someone to do so. He had 11 points in 135 minutes with Chytil anyway (of which 9-11 came without Strome on the ice I can't tell exactly how many). An insignificant sample of course but certainly not a lack of production.

I still believe the chemistry works both ways. As I said before, Panarin hit career highs playing with Strome. It's too easy to just dismiss that and expect Panarin to do the same with any other center. I still believe they will hang on to Strome

 

[SA16]

I still believe the chemistry works both ways. As I said before, Panarin hit career highs playing with Strome. It's too easy to just dismiss that and expect Panarin to do the same with any other center. I still believe they will hang on to Strome

The common factor is just always the elite player. You have McDavid scoring at elite rates when playing with Rattie, Lucic, Maroon, Chiasson, Kassian. Crosby doing it with Rust, Sheary, Simon. Panarin with Strome, Fast, Anisimov. That is so many guys who are borderline NHL players or 4th liners and they exhibit minimal drop in production so I can not get behind paying someone with the reason being they work well together.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If you have to choose between Granlund at 6.5m and Strome at 5.5m, who would you pick?

Strome easily. Nobody knows how Granlund fits with Panarin. Granlund would be our new Gomez.

 

[Avery16]

The common factor is just always the elite player. You have McDavid scoring at elite rates when playing with Rattie, Lucic, Maroon, Chiasson, Kassian. Crosby doing it with Rust, Sheary, Simon. Panarin with Strome, Fast, Anisimov. That is so many guys who are borderline NHL players or 4th liners and they exhibit minimal drop in production so I can not get behind paying someone with the reason being they work well together.

Rattie IS available...

 

[SA16]

Strome easily. Nobody knows how Granlund fits with Panarin. Granlund would be our new Gomez.

Gomez gets the weirdest hate. He scored 70 points and 58 points in his two years here which was good for 2nd on the team and T-1st on the team and then was traded for our 1D for years. He fell off after he let the Rangers but he was a very good player here.

Additionally, like almost all the elite players, there are only two forwards (out of 10) to have be played over 200 minutes the last 3 years combined with Panarin to score under 2 pts/60. They are Nick Foligno and Mika Zibanejad. There are zero to have done so who played at least 300 minutes with him (out of 6).

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The UFA class this year is pretty brutal. Hoffman, Toffolli, and Dadanov? Nope.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Strome easily. Nobody knows how Granlund fits with Panarin. Granlund would be our new Gomez.

Strome also brings grit is physical and not injury prone

 

[Alluckks]

I think Howden needs to restart in the AHL. We should have a fight in preseason for the 4C spot. Maybe bring in a vet on a PTO.

Gauthier-Chytil-Fast is a nice 3rd line. Lemieux-X-PDG is an okay 4th depending on the pivot.

This, of course, assumes we come to terms with Fast.

I think that is a mediocre at best 3rd line for a playoff team and that it doesn't allow Chytil room to excel. I'd like to be able to place Chytil in same development atmosphere that Brassard was in when he had Hagelin and Zucc to work with. Gauthier can play a Hagelin role, I could see that. But a good scoring dynamic player on the wing is sorely lacking. Fast is ideally on the 4th line for me.

 

[Alluckks]

Larry alluded to this in his most recent mailbag but it seems as though the relationship between Quinn and Andersson wasn’t/isn’t great

It seems to me that Andersson had some accountability issues. Surely it could have stemmed from some depression and belief that everything else around him was working against him. But, he also did clearly say that he believed he had done enough to secure a Center spot on the main team for sure. I'm betting he also didn't take the news of the demotion well. I'm sure that Quinn won't hold a grudge, but I doubt he was a crying shoulder either. Lias did himself no favors, but he isn't out of favor with the organization. Hard work and uses the skills he has that got him drafted as high as it did can surely get him right back on track.

 

[bobbop]

Situations like Lias seldom get healed. A change of scenery is best for all involved.

 

[Machinehead]

Howden needs to restart at about 7 years old but he picks up a different sport this time.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Granlund can’t produce in the middle
Great person but that’s a skip bayless from me

 

[LokiDog]

I think that is a mediocre at best 3rd line for a playoff team and that it doesn't allow Chytil room to excel. I'd like to be able to place Chytil in same development atmosphere that Brassard was in when he had Hagelin and Zucc to work with. Gauthier can play a Hagelin role, I could see that. But a good scoring dynamic player on the wing is sorely lacking. Fast is ideally on the 4th line for me.

Possibly Kravstov, or keep Fast with Strome and Panarin, let Kakko play with Zbad and give Chytil Buchnevich so he has a “veteran” on his line.

 

[NYR Viper]

Granlund has had a very disappointing season in Nashville. He's still someone I'd be interested in to help add some experience to our 3rd line or push someone else down who can do the same. I'd go 4 years @ something like $5m if he would accept.

Strome is also someone I'd go 3-4 years on. Hope to keep his cap his @ or below $5m.

 

[aufheben]

Gomez gets the weirdest hate. He scored 70 points and 58 points in his two years here which was good for 2nd on the team and T-1st on the team and then was traded for our 1D for years. He fell off after he let the Rangers but he was a very good player here.

Additionally, like almost all the elite players, there are only two forwards (out of 10) to have be played over 200 minutes the last 3 years combined with Panarin to score under 2 pts/60. They are Nick Foligno and Mika Zibanejad. There are zero to have done so who played at least 300 minutes with him (out of 6).

Seeking our players who “fit” with Panarin is dangerous IMO. Re-signing Strome makes me nervous. The team has already committed a lot of money recently.

 

[Avery16]

Seeking our players who “fit” with Panarin is dangerous IMO. Re-signing Strome makes me nervous. The team has already committed a lot of money recently.

Granlund has had a very disappointing season in Nashville. He's still someone I'd be interested in to help add some experience to our 3rd line or push someone else down who can do the same. I'd go 4 years @ something like $5m if he would accept.

Strome is also someone I'd go 3-4 years on. Hope to keep his cap his @ or below $5m.

Because of the questions around either player, I wouldn't sign for more than two seasons. Hopefully for around 5 per. Kind of like the Bozak contract with St. Louis. Either player could end up being on the 3rd line over the majority of the contract. Stopgap.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Tying up 5 million a year for the next 3/4 years to a middling player like Strome while their may be a cap freeze is a classic Ranger move

Therefore it's for sure happening

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Tying up 5 million a year for the next 3/4 years to a middling player like Strome while their may be a cap freeze is a classic Ranger move

Therefore it's for sure happening

Strome's numbers and trajectory look a lot like Brassard in a vacuum. I think 5m a year isn't out of the question. Whether or not that's a good decision, remains the be seen. I think it is foolish to just assume that Chytil can replace his production. Sure, it's possible, but by no means a given

 

[NYR Viper]

Because of the questions around either player, I wouldn't sign for more than two seasons. Hopefully for around 5 per. Kind of like the Bozak contract with St. Louis. Either player could end up being on the 3rd line over the majority of the contract. Stopgap.

Bozak was over 30 years old. Granlund is 28 and Strome is 26. I think either one is looking at 4 years more than likely. Granlund moreso than Strome if he would prefer a 1 year deal.


More of a wide-arching comment to all here:

I'll just say that chemistry is something that seems easy to build, specifically with elite level players. In saying that, if you can find a player who seems to augment your best player and you have the opportunity to lock him up for a reasonable contract over a reasonable amount of time it seems like a good idea to sign that player. Re-signing Strome pushes Mika and Kreider to a 1B line. There's a HUGE benefit to that. And if someone like Chytil develops as e all hope and supplants Strome as the center, Strome is more than capable of playing RW on that same line. His versatility is what sways me towards offering him a medium term contract.

Granlund to me would be more of a luxury and someone who I think would help the 3rd line and provide options for the coach to move players around as needed throughout the year.