Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIV: Walk the line into the ring of fire

[Gardner McKay]

Geo would be of interest to Carolina too right?

They crushed their draft last year, would love to raid that system one way or another.

You know... that could be optimal. If there was ever a trade to be made that would satisfy this board in terms of quality prospects being returned, I would have to think Georgiev + Kreider going to Carolina would be it. They could potentially be willing to give up that blue chip prospect because even if Kreider bolts to UFA, they now have control of Georgiev and won't walk away empty handed.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

You know what's funny? I was under the impression that the articles I've read about this were quoting the entire thing. Turns out... it's somewhat murky.

50.5 (B), which defines the recapture penalties, says



I was under the impression that Long-Term Contract was anything 6 years or longer. But 50.5 (A) says



That seems to define it as only deals that were signed before this CBA. Which was technically retroactive to Sept 2012. Lundqvist signed his deal in Dec 2013. But a lot has been written about how his contract qualifies, so I'm somewhat confused now.

We need a CBA specialist up in here!

 

[haohmaru]

You know... that could be optimal. If there was ever a trade to be made that would satisfy this board in terms of quality prospects being returned, I would have to think Georgiev + Kreider going to Carolina would be it. They could potentially be willing to give up that blue chip prospect because even if Kreider bolts to UFA, they now have control of Georgiev and won't walk away empty handed.

It would be an odd trade considering how close they are in the standings. Not sure what message that sends to the team. Interesting.

 

[duhmetreE]

Bro, Igor is 20 games into his career. Prime? He could just as easily have a sophomore slump, which is way more frequent than rookies keeping up his pace. Lindgren is a rock? A rookie will come in replace a 45 pt vet d man? ADA will do something from junior, and it will just work out? Again, everything breaks perfect.

Where is OUR precedent for dumping cap? We never pull it off. Boston has eaten cap on their dumps twice. Toronto paid a 1st to dump a contract and will miss the playoffs. They are not a template. Their left side is garbage. They have better scoring than us and they will still miss. That is a cautionary tale. If gorton moves out staal with our 1st next season, he needs to be removed immediately.

Our offense will get better? How? Show me. We will have to subtract to keep 1 player. Panarin is having the second best season for a ranger ever. You can't bank on that again. Or Kreider have career highs two years in a row as a 29 year old. There is no cap to bolster the roster let alone fill holes left by buch or strome.

No problem acquiring bottom 6 help? We haven't done that in years and we had cap back then.

I'm giving you firm examples. All of your answers are unicorns. It's not just getting one single break, it is all of the stars aligning.

None of the above is a crazy risk?

Igor is in his prime? His career has been going for some time. He's new to the NHL but these results are not new. You wanted precedence? but now you're contrary to precedence.

We never got to the point of being able to dump cap... hence we never were at the end of contracts. You cant move a bloated contract with 3-5 years left, which is not what I've suggested. Moving a contract that expires in a year, ( where the cap hit is greater than the actual salary ) is not some unprecedented move. You're framing prerequisites and criteria to suit your narrative.

Kreider Zibs Buch
Panarin Strome Fast

Kreider Zibs Buch or Kakko or Kravtsov
Panarin Chytil Strome or Kakko or Kravtsov.

I can't tell if you're purposely being naive but getting bigger production and further development from Kakko, Chytil and eventually Kravtsov? Players like Miller and Lundkvist? Further development of Fox and ADA? Yeah I know,... uNiCoRnS to think we continue to improve

I'm actually talking about pieces we already have and pieces that are close.

What do you suggest? Trade all the vets? and then what? wait? What are we waiting for? Wait for Zibs to get paid $14M? Wait for the kids to make UFA money? Wait for Shesty to make 10% cap? What's your plan? more futures and picks?

Everything is a bunch of 'ifs'. What if all the draft picks fail. What if Zibanejad demands a trade. What if Panarin falls apart. What if Chytil never develops. What if Kakko is a bust. You can add all the what if's that are contrary to your view.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Carolina got a lot of interesting forward prospects. If we can get one of Bokk Reese or Puistola thats a good start. Also have multiple 1sts to trade

 

[cheech70]

Negotiating still going strong...suitors drop out..... create new suitors.....PS Kreider lets stop with the fantasy and lets make a deal

 

[Richard Banger]

We need a CBA specialist up in here!

@Amazing Kreiderman can fix this.

 

[NYRangers0723]

It would be an odd trade considering how close they are in the standings. Not sure what message that sends to the team. Interesting.

Yeah. I mean I don’t know if it’s any serious interest or just checking in. I know Edge mentioned Dallas earlier so who knows. We also keep hearing that contract talks are ongoing so I wonder if teams are thinking he may end up staying. Unpredictable for sure

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Put up or shut up kreider. Take the rangers offer or pack your shit.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I wonder what type of deal we could land from Carolina

 

[RGY]

Put up or shut up kreider. Take the rangers offer or pack your shit.

First thing you have posted that I can semi agree with it.

Lets get this thing done so Gorton can move on to the next item on the agenda.

 

[Tawnos]

We need a CBA specialist up in here!

This literally hasn't come up yet, either, so it's not like there's precedent to cite. There are three active recapture penalties (affecting 4 teams), but all 3 were signed before this CBA. We're only now in the first possible year a deal signed after the CBA went into effect that could be retired early from.

 

[Richard Banger]

If Hank retires and we trade Skjei and Strome would that be enough to fit Kreider and ADA?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Negotiating still going strong...suitors drop out..... create new suitors.....PS Kreider lets stop with the fantasy and lets make a deal

Which suitors have dropped out?

No one has said anything officially, all just speculation.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If Hank retires and we trade Skjei and Strome would that be enough to fit Kreider and ADA?

Depends on the returns for Skjei and Strome (IE if they have to take cap back and how much).

 

[NYRangers0723]

Put up or shut up kreider. Take the rangers offer or pack your shit.

. This is first time I can agree. Tomorrow is the last day. If CK wants to stay he has to choose by tomorrow (given that we win tonight of course)

 

[RGY]

Lets beat SJ and then can they just leave Labanc with us...thanks.

 

[Richard Banger]

Depends on the returns for Skjei and Strome (IE if they have to take cap back and how much).

Let's say skjei is traded for a young winger on a ELC. And Strome is traded for a pick and a B prospect.

 

[RGY]

Let's say skjei is traded for a young winger on a ELC. And Strome is traded for a pick and a B prospect.

And you flip the Strome return with other assets for a LD.

 

[Gardner McKay]

It would be an odd trade considering how close they are in the standings. Not sure what message that sends to the team. Interesting.

To the Rangers? It says they couldn't get a deal done with Kreider so they traded him. I don't think it matters if its Detroit or Carolina or Boston, whoever has the highest bid is who he will be traded to.

 

[Ola]

You know what's funny? I was under the impression that the articles I've read about this were quoting the entire thing. Turns out... it's somewhat murky.

50.5 (B), which defines the recapture penalties, says



I was under the impression that Long-Term Contract was anything 6 years or longer. But 50.5 (A) says



That seems to define it as only deals that were signed before this CBA. Which was technically retroactive to Sept 2012. Lundqvist signed his deal in Dec 2013. But a lot has been written about how his contract qualifies, so I'm somewhat confused now.

I haven’t checked up on it, but I don’t think it applies to Hank. The reports back when the CBA came was that it applied to old contracts.

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers have been pretty healthy over the last two months but this injury scare to Chytil shows just how thin the team’s depth is. I mean if Chytil is out we are back to Howden centering (an important) third line and we all remember how that was working out earlier in the season.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

To the Rangers? It says they couldn't get a deal done with Kreider so they traded him. I don't think it matters if its Detroit or Carolina or Boston, whoever has the highest bid is who he will be traded to.

The short term optics of it to a certain group of the fanbase would be bad but it needs to be looked at long term.

Like you said, at the end of the day, I’m sending him to whoever offers the best deal. Don’t care who it is

 

[egelband]

Let's say we sign Kreider for 6 years at 7M per. Who do we lose to get under the cap?

Skjei and Buchnevich I suspect.

 

[Avery16]

we have one line?

We have 2 100pt scorers from different lines. Panarin line is producing with a career bottom6 grinder.

Sounds like the same thing I just said, but with different words and premised as a disagreement