Speculation: Roster building thread XXIV:

[FIRE DRURY]

Well there's the board mantra for 2020.

G'night everybody!

This is I bring to the table. This is what I do for our forum.

 

[True Blue]

Personally, I think having 3 RHD capable of 50+ points is a luxury a team with this many holes can't afford. Can they squeak it out until Fox needs a new deal? Probably, but I can easily see them striking while the iron is hot. Not to mention, if we want to talk about trajectories, Fox at 21 is outpacing DeAngelo at 21 by a considerable margin. Now, if DeAngelo moves to the left full-time that might change things, but I until I start seeing evidence of that, I'm not going to put it at the top of the available options list.

DeAngelo is moving past being a 50 point defenseman and into a completely different DeAngelo. One that frankly, Fox will find a hard time attaining. But as they are here and seeing what they are doing, I would presume that you have a better chance of some of the other RD prospects being moved to shore up a weakness than you do him. And seeing how his defense is on his natural side, moving him to a different side should be out of the question.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

If it was me I couldn’t move Tony. Him and Lemmy are the exact type of character with a skill set I’d want on this roster for a long time.

 

[True Blue]

The stupidity of all this started when it became a DeAngelo vs Trouba debate.

The two have nothing to do with each other and each brings something completely different to the team. If DeAngelo played defense like Trouba or if Trouba had an offensive game like DeAngelo, then one could start to have an either or debate. But they do not. And both things are needed.

I cannot state enough that while it is nice to have prospects, we have no idea if any of them will be able to do what Fox and Trouba are doing NOW. And as one is only heading into RFA days and the other is on ECL, I frankly do not see the urge to move either. If someone wants to present an interesting trade offer, sure you listen. But short of that, I am more interested in finding DeAgelo a defensive partner, letting the Lindgren-Fox duo grow and trying to come up who would be a good partner for Trouba.

 

[EdJovanovski]

There are too many sweet guys in our locker room. Mika, Panarin, Strome, Buch, Kakko, Chytil, Fast. They all love puppies and like to share cute memes of rainbows and bunny rabbits.

We need more *******s. That’s what I like about guys like ADA, Trouba and Lemieux. That swagger they walk around with is infectious.

I’m not saying we NEEDZ MOAR TUFFNESS. I just think we need a few more guys that have that kind of personality. I’d like to see Gorton bring in another player or two that has a screensaver of blood and gore than the Care Bears.

Messier was a complete dick, and I think that helped him. So, that’s what I’m saying. We need more dicks.

Agreed although I don’t think Trouba has that anywhere near the level of ADA & Lemieux. Especially when it comes to personality, he is milquetoast & always seems half asleep. I want to see more of the player he was at the end of the Blues game. I’d love for us to go snag someone like Domi too, he’s a skilled center who’s a dick like Lemieux & ADA; and would probably be a good mentor for Kakko with the whole diabetic thing. A team with Lemieux ADA & Domi would become the most hated in the league Kakko is a big kid too and I’d love him to develop a bit of a mean streak, right now he looks like Bambi.

 

[broadwayblue]

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if we went 8-2 the last 10 despite having nothing to play for or something annoying like that...

If we win the lottery again I won't complain.

 

[Thirty One]

Agreed although I don’t think Trouba has that anywhere near the level of ADA & Lemieux. Especially when it comes to personality, he is milquetoast & always seems half asleep. I want to see more of the player he was at the end of the Blues game. I’d love for us to go snag someone like Domi too, he’s a skilled center who’s a dick like Lemieux & ADA; and would probably be a good mentor for Kakko with the whole diabetic thing. A team with Lemieux ADA & Domi would become the most hated in the league Kakko is a big kid too and I’d love him to develop a bit of a mean streak, right now he looks like Bambi.

Max Domi
Pros:
- Skilled center
- Dick
- Diabetes

Cons:
- Takes long shifts

 

[EdJovanovski]

Max Domi
Pros:
- Skilled center
- Dick
- Diabetes

Cons:
- Takes long shifts

Lmao

 

[Ghost of jas]

Aside from Nylander, who is the equivalent of Trouba at forward that we could see Gorton making a similar deal to acquire?

 

[Edge]

I guess I don't feel particularly rushed to move a RD.

If they're as good as they're looking to be, we're not going to see their values plummet. We can move them if there's a clear deal that makes sense, and/or if someone like Lundkvist makes a deal apparent (not unlike what Shesterkin is doing right now). If the prices get too expensive, that's fine as well. Because a high price means a high performance, which means we still get value in return.

If they're not as good as they're looking to be, you obviously run the risk of not maximizing the trade value, but you'll also have a much clearer picture of which ones stay and which one goes. And Lundkvist could once again be a factor in how that is approached.

Those scenarios considered, I think I really like what we have and would rather a deal or a player (internally or externally) "force" us to make a move. I don't think we're at point, no matter how things play out, where a move is necessary.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Aside from Nylander, who is the equivalent of Trouba at forward that we could see Gorton making a similar deal to acquire?

Brock Boeser?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Brock Boeser?

Why is Vancouver dealing Boeser?

 

[Edge]

I'd keep an eye on Meier in San Jose, their potential need to regroup, and a desire to get some assets flowing in sooner.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Max Domi
Pros:
- Skilled center
- Dick
- Diabetes

Cons:
- Takes long shifts

You forgot weird hair. And eyebrows.

 

[wafflepadsave]

He needs to score 4 goals and win the fastest skater competition first.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Why is Vancouver dealing Boeser?

They have no problem scoring goals and virtually all their prospects are forwards as well. Their defense is a wasteland after Hughes, they’re going to have serious cap issues. And he’s producing at a worse pace than his rookie season

 

[Ghost of jas]

They have no problem scoring goals and virtually all their prospects are forwards as well. Their defense is a wasteland after Hughes, they’re going to have serious cap issues. And he’s producing at a worse pace than his rookie season

So what are you parting with to get him?

 

[Avery16]

I guess I don't feel particularly rushed to move a RD.

If they're as good as they're looking to be, we're not going to see their values plummet. We can move them if there's a clear deal that makes sense, and/or if someone like Lundkvist makes a deal apparent (not unlike what Shesterkin is doing right now). If the prices get too expensive, that's fine as well. Because a high price means a high performance, which means we still get value in return.

If they're not as good as they're looking to be, you obviously run the risk of not maximizing the trade value, but you'll also have a much clearer picture of which ones stay and which one goes. And Lundkvist could once again be a factor in how that is approached.

Those scenarios considered, I think I really like what we have and would rather a deal or a player (internally or externally) "force" us to make a move. I don't think we're at point, no matter how things play out, where a move is necessary.

We’re all assuming some information, as usual, but if there were a need to move a RD, I think most legitimate discussion would be between ADA and Trouba. There is, in effect, some urgency in that question, as Trouba can only be moved before his next contract goes into effect, without having to waive a NTC. Waiting until after the NTC goes into effect not only takes the decision out of our hands, but greatly reduces the return we could get for him. We wouldn’t be free to deal him to some of the teams that would give up the most for him in a return. Once the next contract hits, I don’t think it’ll be a question of which RD gets moved. If we’re moving a RD at that point, it’ll be ADA. Brooks’s report that he’s being shopped right now suggests that mgmt has already come to that conclusion.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Agreed although I don’t think Trouba has that anywhere near the level of ADA & Lemieux. Especially when it comes to personality, he is milquetoast & always seems half asleep. I want to see more of the player he was at the end of the Blues game. I’d love for us to go snag someone like Domi too, he’s a skilled center who’s a dick like Lemieux & ADA; and would probably be a good mentor for Kakko with the whole diabetic thing. A team with Lemieux ADA & Domi would become the most hated in the league Kakko is a big kid too and I’d love him to develop a bit of a mean streak, right now he looks like Bambi.

H = he’s
A= a
D= dick

 

[EdJovanovski]

So what are you parting with to get him?

He was also demoted to the 3rd line the past few games btw, they aren’t crazy about his performance

Trouba for Boeser + cap dump (maybe a 3 way trade where we throw in a prospect so another team takes cap instead of us)
Or maybe something around Skjei, Andersson & Lundkvist for Boeser

I think we could really use a pure shooter like him, which is something we’ve lacked for a long time

 

[RiffyNYR61]

So what are you parting with to get him?

Lias and a 2nd round pick

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I'd keep an eye on Meier in San Jose, their potential need to regroup, and a desire to get some assets flowing in sooner.

I’d love that but I think he’s the last player they’d move.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I wish we would’ve went after Laine last year

 

[Alluckks]

I'd keep an eye on Meier in San Jose, their potential need to regroup, and a desire to get some assets flowing in sooner.

That would cost quite a bit I’d think.

If we got a 1st back in a deal for Kreider

Late 1st + one of Kravstov/Lundkvist/Miller is what I think would have to be the offer at least

Probably would have to add another young guy, maybe Howden

 

[True Blue]

People really need to A) for get about Newhook B) Forget about the idea of trading Trouba