Speculation: Roster Building Thread XIII

[cheech70]

So if rumors are true (main board post) danault possibly getting 6 million over 8 years. My goodness

Maybe good news for us in regards to Yanni

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean if the cost is Strome or Buch, Jones or Robertson, Geo and a #1, I think you make that trade. The value is there even with the injury concern.

That being said I can't see Buffalo accepting that offer but stranger things have happened.

If he comes here, be prepared to part with Chytil and Nils.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I mean if you take away the neck concerns ( I know you can't) but just for this experiment. He would be the best of both worlds, the "win now" and the "stay the course" crowd. 24 years old is exactly kinda what we're looking for.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So if rumors are true (main board post) danault possibly getting 6 million over 8 years. My goodness

Well...all of a sudden the Goodrow contract doesn't look AS bad

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Even if the neck issue gets resolved will he start to play more of a perimeter game? You just never know how people react after surgery even if they are “fully” recovered

Agreed. It's such a wildcard, can't imagine making that gamble. Even if fully recovered will he have the same range of motion? What impact will that have? The neck surgery was at least a contributing factor to Peyton Manning's arm strength dropping off a cliff.

 

[rangers1314]

He didn't say this. He said that Isiah Thomas told him that about the NBA draft.

Right, he said that Thomas told him that you have to know that around draft time, everyone is lying and bluffing. We're a week from the draft. He used it as an example to caveat his statements on where things stand with JE days prior to the draft and certain teams rumored to be out on him.

He also said "things can always change with a phone call".

 

[brakeyawself]

does he or does he not get benched by trotz for defensive lapses? Does trotz not call him out in the media even? If you say no you’re the one not watching the games my friend

this was not a knock on barzal it’s a point that these young star guys all need to continue to improve defensively.

MOST of what you are talking about happened in his first 3 seasons, between 2017-18 and 2019-20. And yea, in those seasons there was many occasions Barzal was called out and lapsed defensively.

Not that Barzal is ever going to win the Selke, but, this past season he looked like a completely different player defensively. He's come such a long way and in part that is why the Islanders were so successful this season. They have some very nice players on that team. But no one coming close to Barzal's level. He also plays within a fairly strict system, that Trotz demands. And I think that's half the reason they were successful without having more top level talent. Trotz made the system work and it took Barzal, a lot of the time, to help make it work. I've seen him sacrifice his own scoring opportunity just to make sure he doesn't give up a breakaway, or to give the puck up to better positioned teammates. It's like night and day from the last 2 seasons.

I can remember a few times this year Trotz mentioned him, but that's also because he's their star player. Of course a lot of the responsibility is going to rest on him. He dragged that team forward at times this season. Which was only his 4th season. I think he actually learned a lot of what NOT to do from watching Tavares. And understood the difference between putting up self gratifying stats versus pushing a team to wins.

With that said, I also think Buffalo overused Eichel at times in his 6 seasons. He was often getting way too many minutes for a young player and it was wearing on him and showing. Trotz doesn't do that to his players usually. Which also makes a big difference in complete play and keeping players healthy. Even then though, as good as some of the Isles players have played, I don't think Barzal has had the high end talent that Buffalo has on occasion had. I mean, Hall alone is better, well, when he wants to be, than any of the Isles wingers. Case could be made that Reinhart and Skinner are also both more talented than the Isles wingers. Dahlin probably the best D of either team. Risto had some good years. What the Isles do have is consistent and smart defenders, not necessarily elite talent players.

And I am not saying the Isles would be what they are without Trotz and the team buying into his system. That's clearly the main aspect that got the Isles so far in the playoffs this year too. But with that, comes stars needing to fully buy into that system and play for that system rather than their own production. Which Barzal definitely has done. I would even call the Isles boring at times.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Just curious besides Fox, what RFAs coming up will have any kind of arbitration rights? That does play a factor and teams will use it to "lowball" players until they get it.

 

[mas0764]

Do you guys think the neck injury is overblown and he’s sort of leveraging that to get out of Buffalo? Does anybody know about this type of neck injury? Does he really need surgery? How “experimental” is this surgery he wants? Is there other surgeries they can do instead?

I don't think anyone on this board claiming to know how bad it is, actually knows how bad it is.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Buch for 8th overall?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Buch for 8th overall?

Horrible

 

[Off Sides]

If he comes here, be prepared to part with Chytil and Nils.

Are Chytil and Nils going to increase sales revenue for next year?

Neither will pick 15 and whatever else they give up.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Buch for 8th overall?

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

 

[mas0764]

But would they offer Rossi?

If they don't offer Rossi, and everyone else is truly out, then there is simply no way they can beat the offer of Buch/Strome/Jones/15.

It's possible they can't even beat a lesser offer than that. Buch is a young first liner with control. Who is Minnesota offering that comes close to Buch?

I realize that's a hard sell to a fan base looking to replace one face of a franchise with someone else who could assume that role, but that's just not happening with Eichel injured. Rick Nash was not quite Eichel level but he wasn't as far off at the time as everyone is now retconning. Nash was considered an elite, top player. He was healthy and brought back Anisimov, Dubi, Erixon, and a late first.

Buch/Strome/Jones/15OA is better across the board, each of the four assets. That is certainly the center-premium bump plus an age-bump. Plus Eichel is injured.

I dare someone to beat that offer. It's not gonna happen unless Minnesota includes Rossi.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If he comes here, be prepared to part with Chytil and Nils.

Like I said it comes down to cost. I dont see them moving both Chytil and Lundkvist for Eichel. Especially if the number of teams interested has been reduced.

In the end, I don't see them trading for him regardless, but that's just my personal opinion.

 

[mas0764]

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

I'd consider it but there is not a Zegras or even a Lundell who will likely be there at 8 this year. Maybe we will see when they are on the clock but I don't think I like, say, Kent Johnson or even Mason McTavish as much as I liked Zegras or Lundell.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If they don't offer Rossi, and everyone else is truly out, then there is simply no way they can beat the offer of Buch/Strome/Jones/15.

It's possible they can't even beat a lesser offer than that. Buch is a young first liner with control. Who is Minnesota offering that comes close to Buch?

I realize that's a hard sell to a fan base looking to replace one face of a franchise with someone else who could assume that role, but that's just not happening with Eichel injured. Rick Nash was not quite Eichel level but he wasn't as far off at the time as everyone is now retconning. Nash was considered an elite, top player. He was healthy and brought back Anisimov, Dubi, Erixon, and a late first.

Buch/Strome/Jones/15OA is better across the board, each of the four assets. That is certainly the center-premium bump plus an age-bump. Plus Eichel is injured.

I dare someone to beat that offer. It's not gonna happen unless Minnesota includes Rossi.

Would either of the 1st 2 stay in Buffalo tho? That has to be a concern for them. If Buch would re sign in Buffalo ( I dont know why he would) he could be the best player they can get period (without an ELITE prospect coming back)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Are Chytil and Nils going to increase sales revenue for next year?

Neither will pick 15 and whatever else they give up.

I don't think Eichel, who is going to miss a chunk of the season, does either.

If the plan moving forward is to run with Zibanejad AND Eichel, I will have lost all faith in Drury. We're not winning jack shit if thats the case.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'd consider it but there is not a Zegras or even a Lundell who will likely be there at 8 this year. Maybe we will see when they are on the clock but I don't think I like, say, Kent Johnson or even Mason McTavish as much as I liked Zegras or Lundell.

What about when they package 8 and 15 to get in the top 5. Will you like it then?

Just kidding.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

In a much better draft, when Buch was nowhere near the player he is today

 

[GAGLine]

Buch for 8th overall?

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

LA has to add. Buch's value has gone up since then.

 

[Gardner McKay]

In a much better draft, when Buch was nowhere near the player he is today

There is also risk on the part of the acquiring team that Buch is able to replicate what he did last season. I know you love Buch. I am a big fan of his. I don't want him traded. He is one of my favorite Rangers. But at some point my friend, reality has to set in.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I'm looking forward to the sheer devastation some Sabres fans are going to go through on Friday with the crackhead expectations some of them have.

They'll get a good young roster player, they'll get a high end prospect, they'll get their 1st round pick...

I don't think they get a whole lot more beyond that. Maybe a conditional pick based on how many games Eichel plays next year because I'm still pretty f***ing positive that the neck gets operated on after he is traded, which means that who ever gets him is not going to see him for most, if not all of 2021-22.

The team that acquires him needs to do so with the worst case scenario in mind. Anything more would be a dereliction of duty on the part of the GM. As you said, that means assuming you're not going to be able to talk him into a different course of action regarding the surgery he wants, and being prepared for him to take the entire season recovering. The medicals are going to be a non-starter for teams, as well as paying a player $10M to do nothing for the team. Will insurance even cover a procedure that hasn't been deemed medically necessary? If not, that's $10M in real money a team is risking.

Buffalo is posturing at this point with their ask. I think that much is clear to all parties. But a decision point is coming. I'd be willing to be that the asking price is going to come down a lot. It's just going to be a question of if it comes down low enough for another GM to roll the dice.

I really wouldn't rule out Detroit. It seems that team is planning to be terrible next season anyway. The Rangers are trying to be a playoff team, which is one reason why I think we inherently would need to get him for spare parts. Given, our spare parts could make a package better than most other team's premium assets, but still. Detroit just makes the most sense to me, given where they are. LA and Anaheim as well, since they're a year or two behind us in their rebuilds.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Like I said it comes down to cost. I dont see them moving both Chytil and Lundkvist for Eichel. Especially if the number of teams interested has been reduced.

In the end, I don't see them trading for him regardless, but that's just my personal opinion.

I don't think so either, but just as some (well, a ton of) Sabres fans are not being realistic with their desires, we're not going to get him for Chytil and B prospects either.

 

[Gardner McKay]

LA has to add. Buch's value has gone up since then.

Maybe, but I don't think its a ton.