Speculation: Roster Building Thread XIII

[PuckLuck3043]

If they don't offer Rossi, and everyone else is truly out, then there is simply no way they can beat the offer of Buch/Strome/Jones/15.

It's possible they can't even beat a lesser offer than that. Buch is a young first liner with control. Who is Minnesota offering that comes close to Buch?

I realize that's a hard sell to a fan base looking to replace one face of a franchise with someone else who could assume that role, but that's just not happening with Eichel injured. Rick Nash was not quite Eichel level but he wasn't as far off at the time as everyone is now retconning. Nash was considered an elite, top player. He was healthy and brought back Anisimov, Dubi, Erixon, and a late first.

Buch/Strome/Jones/15OA is better across the board, each of the four assets. That is certainly the center-premium bump plus an age-bump. Plus Eichel is injured.

I dare someone to beat that offer. It's not gonna happen unless Minnesota includes Rossi.

I want to stay away from Eichel but a part of me wants to watch the meltdown on the Sabres board if this turns out to be the return.

 

[jay from jersey]

Phantom equipment allergy for Kreider starting 2024. Sign me up.

Itching

Phantom equipment allergy for Kreider starting 2024. Sign me up.

itching powder in his jock strap should work

 

[mas0764]

there was a rumor of a Strome/Nils/Krav/1st offer... wonder if it might be even negotiable down now lol

I'm on board with everyone else that I will have the pitchforks out if it's Nils and Krav in a deal. I will be "merely" upset if they include either Nils or Krav, but both I go ballistic.

I'm pro-Eichel because I think we can get him for a Nash-like package, with no truly high end prospects being moved. Buch has enough value and we need to move him anyway, so including him for Eichel is easily stomachable.

If not, then I pass. That's that and I lose absolutely zero sleep.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

well Seattle couldn't sign him for 8 years so never made sense to me lol

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

It also could be the Rangers leaking this to get Zibanejad's camp to the table.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well, did Buffalo know back then that Eichel would be so disgruntled that he would demand a trade? I don't know if the Pegulas could have seen this coming. I would think that Eichel one year ago was as close to untouchable as they come. They chose the goalscorer in Quinn over the playmaker in Rossi. If Eichel is traded, they're going to want and need a young C besides Cozens. That's Rossi and a player like Rossi is not something Drury can offer. Like I said, I don't know if they would offer Rossi, but if they did, I would think that would be the tipping point in the Wild's favor to acquire Eichel over any package the Rangers could offer.

Wild can't afford to trade him since they will need low cost players coming to the next few years when they monstrous dead cap space.

“I didn’t think it would do any good just to wait,” Guerin said when asked if he thought about maybe hanging on to Suter for another year or two and then trying to trade him if he’d waive his no-move then. “Look, those years will be tough, but we’re going to have to do a very good job of drafting players, and a very good job of developing players, and injecting some younger, cheaper players into our lineup.”

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Right, he said that Thomas told him that you have to know that around draft time, everyone is lying and bluffing. We're a week from the draft. He used it as an example to caveat his statements on where things stand with JE days prior to the draft and certain teams rumored to be out on him.

He also said "things can always change with a phone call".

Yes, but attributing that quote to Friedman saying that about NHL general managers is disingenuous. He hedged his bets but he didn't say that he believed that they were all lying and bluffing.

 

[GAGLine]

well Seattle couldn't sign him for 8 years so never made sense to me lol

They can, actually. If they sign him now, they can give him 8 years and he becomes their pick from Montreal. If they sign him once free agency starts, they can only give him 7 years.

 

[AirGut]

Wild can't afford to trade him since they will need low cost players coming to the next few years when they monstrous dead cap space.

“I didn’t think it would do any good just to wait,” Guerin said when asked if he thought about maybe hanging on to Suter for another year or two and then trying to trade him if he’d waive his no-move then. “Look, those years will be tough, but we’re going to have to do a very good job of drafting players, and a very good job of developing players, and injecting some younger, cheaper players into our lineup.”

If he said that I seriously doubt he would ever want to get into a bidding war with a hungry NYR looking to bulk up into a steroid fueled monster

 

[bleedblue94]

Wild can't afford to trade him since they will need low cost players coming to the next few years when they monstrous dead cap space.

“I didn’t think it would do any good just to wait,” Guerin said when asked if he thought about maybe hanging on to Suter for another year or two and then trying to trade him if he’d waive his no-move then. “Look, those years will be tough, but we’re going to have to do a very good job of drafting players, and a very good job of developing players, and injecting some younger, cheaper players into our lineup.”

correct, and it screams nyr is last at the dance table and they need to leak the wild stuff to try to get nyr to up an offer.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Minnesota has the biggest need.. However if the Rangers know what Zibanejad is looking for and they aren't prepared to give it to him (say 8 years), then the Rangers actually are right there with them in need.

 

[mas0764]

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

For the selection slot itself, maybe, maybe not. This is the debate I always had with True Blue months ago, though. You can't just say all 8th overall picks are equal. He used to rail on and on that Buch was worth more than that (he made a similar argument when there was discussion if Ottawa or Detroit would move one of their picks for DeAngelo, which sounds a lot more crazy right now than it did when he was a 24 year old RHD coming off a 60 point pace season).

True Blue tried to insist that simply because these picks/prospects are "futures," that they were equally unknowable and thus equally measured up as insufficient in exchange for a "proven," first/second liner like Buch, despite his redundancy.

But I don't agree. When you know Zegras the prospect or Lundell the prospect and you know you can draft one of them simply by flipping Buch, that is one matter.

But in this draft, who do we take? Say we wait till LA is on the clock... what if Beniers, Eklund, and McTavish are all gone? Who are you left selecting at 8? Kent Johnson? I realize he's one of the "nine," before a big tier drop, but I am not sure Johnson is on the same level as Zegras or even Lundell, at least in terms of fit for us.

I am not sure I see the value in this draft for Buch at all unless maybe it's for Beniers.

Edit: This was somehow my second response to the same post. It's been a busy morning.

 

[NYR Viper]

How the heck is Minnesota trading for Eichel. It kills them two ways, (1) it adds a $10m player to their pay roll and (2) it kills their ability to back-fill with cheap talent as most of them will be going to Buffalo.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Are Chytil and Nils going to increase sales revenue for next year?

Neither will pick 15 and whatever else they give up.

Nothing they get will increase their sales revenues for next year, least of all an unhappy player who publicly doesn't want to be there. I'm not sure why this trade is going to be the straw that breaks the camels back for a team that has only known disorder and disfunction for the large majority of its existence and has a current playoff drought of over 10 years at this point.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

They can, actually. If they sign him now, they can give him 8 years and he becomes their pick from Montreal. If they sign him once free agency starts, they can only give him 7 years.

really? I thought they would at least need his rights since MTL has them until FA opens dont they?

 

[jay from jersey]

I'll just leave this here...

Where’s Buch?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Oh no. Dear God, no. People legit think that Nick Deslaurier could net a first round pick?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

How the heck is Minnesota trading for Eichel. It kills them two ways, (1) it adds a $10m player to their pay roll and (2) it kills their ability to back-fill with cheap talent as most of them will be going to Buffalo.

I dont know it would be kinda crazy to see him end up there with all the dead cap but stranger things have happened.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Heres what Freidman actually said in 31T



More speculative than anything else but phantom Buch nugget in the beginning, which sounded more definitive than any of the Eichel stuff.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Wild can't afford to trade him since they will need low cost players coming to the next few years when they monstrous dead cap space.

“I didn’t think it would do any good just to wait,” Guerin said when asked if he thought about maybe hanging on to Suter for another year or two and then trying to trade him if he’d waive his no-move then. “Look, those years will be tough, but we’re going to have to do a very good job of drafting players, and a very good job of developing players, and injecting some younger, cheaper players into our lineup.”

So then maybe the interest in Eichel is a smokescreen

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Didn't we almost trade Buch for Edmonton's 8th overall last year or the year before?

Value wise I think it is fair.

Yes, but then the target was Zegras. Don't think that kind of player is there at 8 this year.

 

[mas0764]

Would either of the 1st 2 stay in Buffalo tho? That has to be a concern for them. If Buch would re sign in Buffalo ( I dont know why he would) he could be the best player they can get period (without an ELITE prospect coming back)

Buch is under control. They can tender him. If someone snatches him, they get four assets back.

Strome has a year left, they have to work that out themselves. Strome has made comments before that he's looking for stability, though, so I assume that if they give him a long term deal and some form of movement protection that he'd sign that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm listening to 31T podcast now.

Friedman really, really hedging his comments on JE. He says "the next few days might be goofy on Eichel". Says there is a ton of bluffing this time of year, everyone is lying. Says things can always change with the phone call. "Sounds like" LA/Ducks/Calgary are out on JE...but who knows. It could all be posturing leading up to the draft.

He also crushed the fabricated Buchnevich - Horvat rumour

 

[Polar Bear]

Oh no. Dear God, no. People legit think that Nick Deslaurier could net a first round pick?

Will immediately hop on the fire Drury wagon if he made such a movie for that price.