Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[GAGLine]

Rangers trade Buch, Miller and 15th, 2ed round in 2022 to Ducks for, Comtois, 3rd overall

would this be fair?? Comtois also RFA but adds grit in the top 9 and feisty and a Gallant type of player



New Rangers 2021- 2022 season - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

my fantasy team

Rangers trade


Rangers sign

Landeskog, Gabriel	7	$10,000,000
Martinook, Jordan	5	$4,250,000
McGinn, Brock	5	$4,250,000
Wennberg, Alexander	4	$3,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Trades
NYR

1. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
2. Jones, Max [RFA Rights]
3. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)

ANA

1. Buchnevich, Pavel [RFA Rights]
2. Miller, K'Andre
3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
4. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)

NYR

1. Norris, Joshua
2. Formenton, Alex
3. Batherson, Drake [RFA Rights]

OTT

1. Georgiev, Alexandar
2. Chytil, Filip [RFA Rights]

NYR

1. Carrier, William
2. Kolesar, Keegan
3. Krebs, Peyton

VGK

1. Strome, Ryan
2. Howden, Brett

Rangers have 4.9 or so in cap space.

Please don't post any of this on the trade board. The Ottawa and Vegas proposals are especially brutal.

 

[Thirty One]

That works if the player still holds some value. And with the flat cap, there isn't as much unused cap space floating around, even for the poorer teams.

Marc Staal had a 3.2 mil salary this year after a 1 mil signing bonus, against a 5.7 mil cap hit. We traded him, but it cost us a 2nd round pick to do it.

When the cap rises again, it's likely there will be floor teams who value having players whose cap hits exceed their actual salary. Arizona basically took on Datsyuk's cap hit for free way back when.

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[SA16]

he got plugged into the top unit for a few games but come on, there are plenty of examples of players producing more on the pp with less pp time.

There are? Chytil has averaged .99 mins/game 5v4 since 19-20. Among forwards with ice time of 0.99 mins/game the league leader is Jake Virtanen with a whopping 9 points. Only five forwards even have at least five points with that usage (Virtanen/Wallmark/Kerfoot/Blackwell/Lemieux). His PP is roughly as expected given the role

40 forwards have between .75 and 1 min at 5v4. Chytil's 3 points rank T-9. If we expand the range to .75-1.25 mins to put Chytil in the middle there are 80 forwards, the leader is Spezza with 12 points, 16/80 have at least 5, and Chytil's 3 points is T-27.

 

[GAGLine]

When the cap rises again, it's likely there will be floor teams who value having players whose cap hits exceed their actual salary. Arizona basically took on Datsyuk's cap hit for free way back when.

There are only so many opportunities to make that type of deal. It's not something I would be counting on.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Haula-famer might not make it to UFA.

I wanted Gorton to sign him or Granlund last offseason

 

[bleedblue94]

There are? Chytil has averaged .99 mins/game 5v4 since 19-20. Among forwards with ice time of 0.99 mins/game the league leader is Jake Virtanen with a whopping 9 points. Only five forwards even have at least five points with that usage (Virtanen/Wallmark/Kerfoot/Blackwell/Lemieux). His PP is roughly as expected given the role

40 forwards have between .75 and 1 min at 5v4. Chytil's 3 points rank T-9. If we expand the range to .75-1.25 mins to put Chytil in the middle there are 80 forwards, the leader is Spezza with 12 points, 16/80 have at least 5, and Chytil's 3 points is T-27.

can you please share your source info? sincerely asking

 

[SA16]

can you please share your source info? sincerely asking

NST and manual calculations.

 

[Vitto79]

Is Edler any good still ?

 

[NYR Viper]

Is Edler any good still ?

No, although there may be teams who value his leadership and think that in a more limited role, he could be better

 

[Blais to Win]

Chytil produced more on the power play when he had power play time. In 18-19, his first season, he scored about as much on the PP as Ryan Strome. Since then his PP time has decreased as has resulting production. Nothing indicates he can't play the PP.

 

[duhmetreE]

I was ( and still am) fully against Danault at 5-6years $6M+... but after RNHs deal, does he take $4-4.5M?

He had abysmal production in the playoffs... the value is in matchups/shutdown.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I was ( and still am) fully against Danault at 5-6years $6M+... but after RNHs deal, does he take $4-4.5M?

He had abysmal production in the playoffs... the value is in matchups/shutdown.

He had abysmal offensive production but a shut down defensive production. If you know what you're paying for, and have enough offense around him he's worth far more than 4-5.

 

[NYR Viper]

I was ( and still am) fully against Danault at 5-6years $6M+... but after RNHs deal, does he take $4-4.5M?

He had abysmal production in the playoffs... the value is in matchups/shutdown.

I think you're looking an identical deal to RNH honestly. If you want less term, the cap hit will go up.

Still in the Bonino camp

 

[IDvsEGO]

see here is where youre mixing this up. youre saying i am opposed to giving him more time, i havent ever said that. i am speaking from the team side. if THEY wanted to see if he could handle that 2c ice time they wouldve slotted him there towards the end of last year. I actually advocated for that many times as it was the perfect time to give oyoung players expanded roles and test them to see how they handled them.

my view is that this team is not arz or columbus where next year holds limited expectations. everyone is saying there isnt a playoff mandate but anyone with a brain knows that when a gm and president are fired in part for preaching patience to an owner that historically doesnt have much than there IS a mandate. and with such a mandate you arent going to rely on a 3c that you showed no faith last season in being able to carry any sort of 2c load to now suddenly carry it. this isnt a made up issue, it is reality. if we were in a different market and different situation than sure you can say trade strome for a pick and slot filip into the 2c slot for the year and lets see what happens, but that isnt what is happening here.

You're forgetting his head coach... Quinn was not interested in developing Chytil. He had strome who he wanted to give / production to. Likely a big reason he's gone.

 

[NYSPORTS]

sad when the most exciting word is BREAKING and it went downhill from there

 

[IDvsEGO]

That would be the worst contract in the NHL the moment it was signed.

wait landeskog at 10m x 7? WTF... Also we're giving up miller, buch,strome, geo, chytil and coming back with

1. Carrier, William
2. Kolesar, Keegan
3. Krebs, Peyton
4. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
5. Jones, Max [RFA Rights]
6. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)

I'm sorry I like krebs, and while comtois is a solid pick up, this opens up far more holes than it fills. You also now have even more contracts to sign, and while they're RFA they're not going to be at a discount, and additionally this is on top of those 4 terrible UFA signings.

None of those players are getting those numbers.

 

[bleedblue94]

NST and manual calculations.

I looked at those stats and the point still holds. there are players getting more points w the same sort of pp time. I am not saying he CAN'T becoming a useful pp guy, I am saying right now he is not an effective one and if the argument is that he needs more pp time I continue to ask who is he taking that pp time away from to gain anything significant?

 

[BBKers]

Hajek still not signing is interesting. He might get dealt before 3 PM EST tomorrow methinks. Small potatoes, but still

 

[NYRangers16]

you're going to try to defend 3 powerplay point in 108 minutes of powerplay time over two years? that is irrational...

colin blackwell had 5 in 52 minutes last year

I’ll defend it. When it’s all in the last 30 seconds left, that’s not exactly giving much time to gain the zone and possession and set up. Pretty unfair for you to judge him on that very limited exposure with the second unit.

 

[Thirty One]

Hajek still not signing is interesting. He might get dealt before 3 PM EST tomorrow methinks. Small potatoes, but still

Why is it interesting?

 

[NYR Viper]

Let's take a close look at Nick Bonino's stats for why I thin he is literally the perfect fit as a 3C for this team:

33 years old
55 games played
26 points
14:51 average TOI
52.8% face-off percentage
63.8% defensive zone start percentage
-4.8% Corsi rel
-3.1% Fenwick Rel

So what does this show? This shows me the guy is routinely leaned on for defensive draws along with his line. It shows me that while he is out-shot while he is on the ice, it's actually not THAT bad considering he is more likely to be starting near his own goal.

With his age at 33 years old and the market for players currently, he is probably looking at a 2 year deal which fits the Rangers timeline PERFECTLY in terms of being able to get a good stop-gap while grooming a young center (where this player comes from, who knows. There are options). He's probably looking at $3-4m per season.

 

[Ola]

You're forgetting his head coach... Quinn was not interested in developing Chytil. He had strome who he wanted to give / production to. Likely a big reason he's gone.

Yeah, and this in a year in which we missed the POs by NINE points, but snoozed the development of Laf, Kakko, Chytil and co in favor of Blackwell, Strome and the likes.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I’ll defend it. When it’s all in the last 30 seconds left, that’s not exactly giving much time to gain the zone and possession and set up. Pretty unfair for you to judge him on that very limited exposure with the second unit.

The quality of that ice time does actually matter. Just like quality of competition matters, on the PP if you get 10 seconds to just try and set up, and then the advantage is over, thats not really 10 seconds.
Also if you go on the PP with Rooney, its not really a man advantage is it?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah, and this in a year in which we missed the POs by NINE points, but snoozed the development of Laf, Kakko, Chytil and co in favor of Blackwell, Strome and the likes.

9 points but we ended the season on like a 5 game losing streak. We were in the hunt in april, which considering our division was fantastic.
KK took a step forward but that looked like his own.
Laf took 25+ games to get comfortable but then wasnt given the right time.

Miller needed to be sat a couple times, and definitely struggled once trouba was out.

Chytil in the first 1/4 of the season though... best center on the team playing 3rd line.