Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[pld459666]

see for some reason people cant accept middle ground. i am not saying he is a finished product, i am not saying he cant improve, but i am saying he is not getting a 2c role this year nor is he getting a substantial increase in pp time like some talk about here. this team is completely point into the direction of importing weaknesses, and everyone wants an upgrade on strome. if chytil were an upgrade on strome we wouldnt be looking for a 2c at every turn.

No one is looking for a 2C.

The goal of going after a JE or a Lindholm is to add another NUMBER 1 CENTER as that's what both players are.

 

[gravey9]

Actually, it's 42.64 Points over an 82 game season (22pts in 42 games) But we are splitting hairs.

I posit that even with the tougher match-up's he's STILL going to get better as everything we have seen from him is nothing but PROGRESSION from Year 1 to Year 3

He will have to get better at Face-offs, I concede that point, but you are ignoring that he is already producing at a 2C rate and as the team matures and gets better (our wing depth is insane) I have no doubts that he will also get better as he matures especially considering we have seen that growth from THIS player for three years straight.

Almost every other player we chose at #21 or later took at least 2 years before they turned NA pro. by this point in his career, JT Miller (#15) had 10 NHL points. Derek Stepan had 45 points in his rookie year in 82 games and he was playing top 6 that season. Heck, even Bradyden Point didn't have his rookie season until his D+3 and he had 40 points in 68 games. All this to say, Chytil may never come close to sniffing Brayden Point's production as a 1C. But he definitely has the potential to be a middle of the pack 1C or a very valuable 2-3C just based on his trajectory. As a wing, he would also be very effective.

 

[bleedblue94]

No one is looking for a 2C.

The goal of going after a JE or a Lindholm is to add another NUMBER 1 CENTER as that's what both players are.

what are you talking about? if we add one of those centers it is to upgrade the 2c slot on this team behind mika. upgrading that spot from strome has been a focus for awhile, if nyr believed they had the solution in house dont you think they wouldve done it or even tried it last year?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Perry's contract was not all that much front loaded

Anyway, not a hill for me.

And I'm losing track of what we were discussing here so I am walking away from this as well

 

[pld459666]

Almost every other player we chose at #21 or later took at least 2 years before they turned NA pro. by this point in his career, JT Miller (#15) had 10 NHL points. Derek Stepan had 45 points in his rookie year in 82 games and he was playing top 6 that season. Heck, even Bradyden Point didn't have his rookie season until his D+3 and he had 40 points in 68 games. All this to say, Chytil may never come close to sniffing Brayden Point's production as a 1C. But he definitely has the potential to be a middle of the pack 1C or a very valuable 2-3C just based on his trajectory. As a wing, he would also be very effective.

There's a saying.

To some, no explanation is necessary, to others, no explanation is good enough.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

and for a player that has 1ppg and 2ppa over two years you would expect what kind of bump in production? 108 minutes is not a small sample size. it we were talking about 20mins of pp time i could buy it, but this is a substantial amount of time already

Maybe, I'd argue that to really make that claim you'd need to consider PP time / PP shift, which for some reason is a hard stat to find. For example if 80% of those 108 min were <30 sec shifts or attempts...you will probably be less likely to score "on the PP" than if for the same 108 min a player was averaging 1:30 shifts. I'm not sold that grouping all the PP min together in the denominator regardless of shifts/attempts is a good metric the way it is during 5v5 when avg shift lengths are more evenly distributed across players.

 

[Doctyl]

do you think with the way this team is constructed and the way others teams scheme against NYR that chytil sees the same type of matchups from the other team that he would see if he were a 2c somewhere else? the answer is no, so why are we comparing his numbers to what other players do with tougher matchups.

I’m genuinely confused why you are looking at a kid who is demolishing the league in the minutes he is getting on the 3rd line against what you call soft matchups and are so opposed to giving him more time.

His production is around the top of the league but he is limited by the amount of time he plays. What would he have to do to prove to you he belongs in the top 6? Score 50 points? Except it’s literally impossible to do with the playing time he gets, like please find me someone receiving his minutes who is posting 40+ points consistently. So what is your proposal? Or do you just like complaining about made up issues?

 

[pld459666]

what are you talking about? if we add one of those centers it is to upgrade the 2c slot on this team behind mika. upgrading that spot from strome has been a focus for awhile, if nyr believed they had the solution in house dont you think they wouldve done it or even tried it last year?

Yes, they are upgrading the 2C spot, but they are doing that with another #1 center.

Neither Lindholm or Eichel are 2C's in the same mold as Strome or Chytil. both are worlds better than the two current residents.

 

[bleedblue94]

Maybe, I'd argue that to really make that claim you'd need to consider PP time / PP shift, which for some reason is a hard stat to find. For example if 80% of those 108 min were <30 sec shifts or attempts...you will probably be less likely to score "on the PP" than if for the same 108 min a player was averaging 1:30 shifts. I'm not sold that grouping all the PP min together in the denominator regardless of shifts/attempts is a good metric the way it is during 5v5 when avg shift lengths are more evenly distributed across players.

that is a fair point, but i believe 108mins should give a good enough sample. i dont think even with the above reasoning you can really justify 1ppp every 36mins and suggest he is going to see substantial jump in production with more time.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yes, they are upgrading the 2C spot, but they are doing that with another #1 center.

Neither Lindholm or Eichel are 2C's in the same mold as Strome or Chytil. both are worlds better than the two current residents.

and they had been linked to other centers that arent your typical 1cs as well, all in an effort to upgrade from strome. my point is that if chytil is a player that can fit 2c here than he would be in that spot. he isnt, they are looking to replace strome which inherently keeps chytil on the 3rd line. so again the chance for a bump from better linemates and more pp time is not really there if they are just replacing strome with another player not named chytil...

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Another veteran LHD but yeah, there are better options out there than Edler

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Not sure if he's our guy, but another LD going to market is only a good thing.

 

[bleedblue94]

I’m genuinely confused why you are looking at a kid who is demolishing the league in the minutes he is getting on the 3rd line against what you call soft matchups and are so opposed to giving him more time.

His production is around the top of the league but he is limited by the amount of time he plays. What would he have to do to prove to you he belongs in the top 6? Score 50 points? Except it’s literally impossible to do with the playing time he gets, like please find me someone receiving his minutes who is posting 40+ points consistently. So what is your proposal? Or do you just like complaining about made up issues?

see here is where youre mixing this up. youre saying i am opposed to giving him more time, i havent ever said that. i am speaking from the team side. if THEY wanted to see if he could handle that 2c ice time they wouldve slotted him there towards the end of last year. I actually advocated for that many times as it was the perfect time to give oyoung players expanded roles and test them to see how they handled them.

my view is that this team is not arz or columbus where next year holds limited expectations. everyone is saying there isnt a playoff mandate but anyone with a brain knows that when a gm and president are fired in part for preaching patience to an owner that historically doesnt have much than there IS a mandate. and with such a mandate you arent going to rely on a 3c that you showed no faith last season in being able to carry any sort of 2c load to now suddenly carry it. this isnt a made up issue, it is reality. if we were in a different market and different situation than sure you can say trade strome for a pick and slot filip into the 2c slot for the year and lets see what happens, but that isnt what is happening here.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Rangers re-signing Julien Gauthier has intriguing implications

Oh, Mollie...you don't know the difference between Chytil and Gauthier?

 

[Doctyl]

Another veteran LHD but yeah, there are better options out there than Edler

There are better options here than Edler

 

[bobbop]

The issue with this type of contract for the Rangers is the buyout at the end. Front-loaded deals are bitches to buyout

Trade them

 

[NYR Viper]

Another veteran LHD but yeah, there are better options out there than Edler

Not sure if he's our guy, but another LD going to market is only a good thing.

My thought exactly. I have little interest in Edler, but perhaps he forces someone else's price down or opens up a trade opportunity by going somewhere else

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Rangers re-signing Julien Gauthier has intriguing implications

Oh, Mollie...you don't know the difference between Chytil and Gauthier?

She does. But the editor doesn't. Writers don't add the images.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If Landeskog were to get 7M per what does that put Buch at 5.5?

Rangers trade Buch, Miller and 15th, 2ed round in 2022 to Ducks for, Comtois, 3rd overall

would this be fair?? Comtois also RFA but adds grit in the top 9 and feisty and a Gallant type of player



New Rangers 2021- 2022 season - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

my fantasy team



Rangers sign

Landeskog, Gabriel	7	$10,000,000
Martinook, Jordan	5	$4,250,000
McGinn, Brock	5	$4,250,000
Wennberg, Alexander	4	$3,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Gauthier, Julien	1	$775,000
Batherson, Drake	3	$2,500,000
Comtois, Maxime	3	$2,500,000
Jones, Max	2	$1,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Trades
NYR

1. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
2. Jones, Max [RFA Rights]
3. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)

ANA

1. Buchnevich, Pavel [RFA Rights]
2. Miller, K'Andre
3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
4. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)

NYR

1. Norris, Joshua
2. Formenton, Alex
3. Batherson, Drake [RFA Rights]

OTT

1. Georgiev, Alexandar
2. Chytil, Filip [RFA Rights]

NYR

1. Carrier, William
2. Kolesar, Keegan
3. Krebs, Peyton

VGK

1. Strome, Ryan
2. Howden, Brett

NYR

1. Kaliyev, Arthur
2. Kempe, Adrian

LAK

1. Kreider, Chris

Rangers have less than 3 mil of cap space.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[bobbop]

Friedman mentioned that he thinks the Landeskog camp is looking for 7/8 - 7aav. The Andres Lee deal.

If the Rangers need a left wing, I’d sign up for this.

 

[pld459666]

Rangers trade Buch, Miller and 15th, 2ed round in 2022 to Ducks for, Comtois, 3rd overall

would this be fair?? Comtois also RFA but adds grit in the top 9 and feisty and a Gallant type of player



New Rangers 2021- 2022 season - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

my fantasy team

Rangers trade


Rangers sign

Landeskog, Gabriel	7	$10,000,000
Martinook, Jordan	5	$4,250,000
McGinn, Brock	5	$4,250,000
Wennberg, Alexander	4	$3,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Trades
NYR

1. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
2. Jones, Max [RFA Rights]
3. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)

ANA

1. Buchnevich, Pavel [RFA Rights]
2. Miller, K'Andre
3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
4. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)

NYR

1. Norris, Joshua
2. Formenton, Alex
3. Batherson, Drake [RFA Rights]

OTT

1. Georgiev, Alexandar
2. Chytil, Filip [RFA Rights]

NYR

1. Carrier, William
2. Kolesar, Keegan
3. Krebs, Peyton

VGK

1. Strome, Ryan
2. Howden, Brett

Rangers have 4.9 or so in cap space.

That would be the worst contract in the NHL the moment it was signed.

 

[GAGLine]

Trade them

That works if the player still holds some value. And with the flat cap, there isn't as much unused cap space floating around, even for the poorer teams.

Marc Staal had a 3.2 mil salary this year after a 1 mil signing bonus, against a 5.7 mil cap hit. We traded him, but it cost us a 2nd round pick to do it.

 

[rangers1314]

Haula-famer might not make it to UFA.