Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[RangersFan1994]

I wish he wasn't a wing. Exactly the player we could utilize for performance, leadership, and the right type of toughness we need in the top 6.

I realize he was a Center when he was younger, but I'm not going to advocate for him as our 2c.

id sign Landeskog and trade Buchnevich and Strome for salary reasons and try other options at center. remember like Kravtsov who has played some center, Colin Blackwell did play center in the World Championships recently so if he is protected, he could be an option

 

[bl02]

id sign Landeskog and trade Buchnevich and Strome for salary reasons and try other options at center. remember like Kravtsov who has played some center, Colin Blackwell did play center in the World Championships recently so if he is protected, he could be an option

You would sign Landeskog? For how much?
what if he wants 7.5 x 7 years?
Sure if he takes a RNH type deal great but I'm not paying him what he wants.

 

[pld459666]

I'm not trying to hammer you but please help me understand how chytil is getting significant pp time here with the other/better offensive talent we have here, the type of pp time that would justify these production bumps that people suggest when they reference that he doesnt get any pp time now when talking about his numbers?

also please help me understand how he has not had softer matchups up till this point when we have two top 20 league wide players playing of different lines that cause defensive matchup issues for other teams?

we can each have an opinion on what he will evolve into as his career progresses, but those two points stand from recent history...

I expect Sttome to be on the move which would allow Chytil the ability to slide into that role. And rightfully so.

I also expect a more spread approach with the PP usage as well meaning the 1st unit will not be out there for a minute 30 of each PP unless they control the puck and there are no stopages.

And, as mentioned earlier, I expect his progression to continue thus allowing him to do, against stiffer competition, what he has been doing against the softer match ups.

I think you are de-emphasizing his ability to get better when all he has shown three years in is progression.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If Landeskog were to get 7M per what does that put Buch at 5.5?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'm not saying he is a 30pt player in the future, but to this point he is a player that hasnt even broken 30pts in a season.

And youre being naïve if you dont think the matchups he has been subjected to havent sheltered him from playing against the other teams' best players. Other teams are putting their top 4 d against the zib line and the panarin line. Other teams pay attention to those players. We havent been a one line team where a guy like chytil is looked at by the other team as part of secondary scoring, he is part of tertiary+ scoring, in other words he is currently an afterthought when teams scheme defensively against nyr, hence soft matchups.

Where is he getting significant pp time on a team with panarin, zib, laf, fox, kakko, kreider, (potentially buch), (if he is still here) strome, ect?

Chytil is going to be an excellent 3c on a perennial contender and a 2c on a middling team. Anyone that thinks he is suddenly getting a boost to 2c minutes here is out to lunch. They didnt fire the president and gm who were preaching patience and turn the direction to an emphasis to compete asap only to look to boost chytil into an expanded role. Again, if chytil were on another team we would be looking at him more for what he actually is at this point rather than putting the NYR optimism glasses on for what we hope he becomes.

5v5 chytil is 17th at even strength production among centers.
Thats a 2c on a contender if he develops some more defensively which is entirely possible considering he's only 21.
Chytil may also get consistent pp2 time, which even with an 80/20 split could be enough with our wing talent to get him a solid number of points.

 

[bleedblue94]

What other NHL'ers are posting 45 ES points.

He was pacing that number in his 3rd year in the NHL.

he was actually pacing for 40pts over an 82 game season, not 45, and that changes nothing regarding the matchups he had. to this point he looks like he can be a very good 3c on a contender but even then he will struggle in that role unless he can improve his faceoffs...

 

[Raspewtin]

chytil literally doesn't play enough minutes to score 30 points. no player that plays his minutes can score 30 points. this isn't hard to grasp.

 

[bleedblue94]

5v5 chytil is 17th at even strength production among centers.
Thats a 2c on a contender if he develops some more defensively which is entirely possible considering he's only 21.
Chytil may also get consistent pp2 time, which even with an 80/20 split could be enough with our wing talent to get him a solid number of points.

do you think with the way this team is constructed and the way others teams scheme against NYR that chytil sees the same type of matchups from the other team that he would see if he were a 2c somewhere else? the answer is no, so why are we comparing his numbers to what other players do with tougher matchups.

 

[RangersFan1994]

id sign Landeskog 7 years. 9,500,000 cap hit

he is something this team really needs. he is also good along the wall, sticks up for teammates. tough, goes to the net. feisty power forward type. has not had this since Shanahan

 

[Raspewtin]

do you think with the way this team is constructed and the way others teams scheme against NYR that chytil sees the same type of matchups from the other team that he would see if he were a 2c somewhere else? the answer is no, so why are we comparing his numbers to what other players do with tougher matchups.

because competition doesn't matter since most changes are on-the-fly

you're really grasping at straws here.

 

[IDvsEGO]

do you think with the way this team is constructed and the way others teams scheme against NYR that chytil sees the same type of matchups from the other team that he would see if he were a 2c somewhere else? the answer is no, so why are we comparing his numbers to what other players do with tougher matchups.

He was 3c on the team and put up those numbers. He moves up to 2c he gets better wing support. So yes his matchups get harder, but his line talent improves.
Also consider he's 21 so he's also physically and mentally improving as well.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If he signs a 2 year 10M per I lose? No thanks.

Suit yourself! We'll see what happens.

 

[bleedblue94]

I expect Sttome to be on the move which would allow Chytil the ability to slide into that role. And rightfully so.

I also expect a more spread approach with the PP usage as well meaning the 1st unit will not be out there for a minute 30 of each PP unless they control the puck and there are no stopages.

And, as mentioned earlier, I expect his progression to continue thus allowing him to do, against stiffer competition, what he has been doing against the softer match ups.

I think you are de-emphasizing his ability to get better when all he has shown three years in is progression.

i love this narrative like he got no pp time. he had over 30 minutes of pp time this year and didnt get a single point. last year he had over 78 mins on the pp and got a whopping 3 point on the pp.

so over the last 2 years hes had over 108 minutes of pp time and has 3pts but suddenly his production is going to jump when he finally (sarcastic) gets pp time?!?! ha

i believe he can get better but he has other things to improve beyond his offense. even with strome gone eventually you think chytil is on the top pp here? he was on the 2nd pp unit last year and did nothing, and routinely struggled getting in the o zone on the pp while trying to stickhandle through the other team to gain the line.

 

[pld459666]

he was actually pacing for 40pts over an 82 game season, not 45, and that changes nothing regarding the matchups he had. to this point he looks like he can be a very good 3c on a contender but even then he will struggle in that role unless he can improve his faceoffs...

Actually, it's 42.64 Points over an 82 game season (22pts in 42 games) But we are splitting hairs.

I posit that even with the tougher match-up's he's STILL going to get better as everything we have seen from him is nothing but PROGRESSION from Year 1 to Year 3

He will have to get better at Face-offs, I concede that point, but you are ignoring that he is already producing at a 2C rate and as the team matures and gets better (our wing depth is insane) I have no doubts that he will also get better as he matures especially considering we have seen that growth from THIS player for three years straight.

 

[bleedblue94]

because competition doesn't matter since most changes are on-the-fly

you're really grasping at straws here.

you're kidding me that you dont think teams trying to prioritize getting their best matchups out against zibs and panarin

 

[bleedblue94]

He was 3c on the team and put up those numbers. He moves up to 2c he gets better wing support. So yes his matchups get harder, but his line talent improves.
Also consider he's 21 so he's also physically and mentally improving as well.

we are acting like he was playing with offensive talent like tanner glass and ryan hollweg...

 

[pld459666]

i love this narrative like he got no pp time. he had over 30 minutes of pp time this year and didnt get a single point. last year he had over 78 mins on the pp and got a whopping ONE point on the pp.

so over the last 2 years hes had over 108 minutes of pp time and has ONE POINT but suddenly his production is going to jump when he finally (sarcastic) gets pp time?!?! ha

i believe he can get better but he has other things to improve beyond his offense. even with strome gone eventually you think chytil is on the top pp here? he was on the 2nd pp unit last year and did nothing, and routinely struggled getting in the o zone on the pp while trying to stickhandle through the other team to gain the line.

He averages 38 seconds of PP TOI last year. whoop-dee-doo

 

[bleedblue94]

Actually, it's 42.64 Points over an 82 game season (22pts in 42 games) But we are splitting hairs.

I posit that even with the tougher match-up's he's STILL going to get better as everything we have seen from him is nothing but PROGRESSION from Year 1 to Year 3

He will have to get better at Face-offs, I concede that point, but you are ignoring that he is already producing at a 2C rate and as the team matures and gets better (our wing depth is insane) I have no doubts that he will also get better as he matures especially considering we have seen that growth from THIS player for three years straight.

see for some reason people cant accept middle ground. i am not saying he is a finished product, i am not saying he cant improve, but i am saying he is not getting a 2c role this year nor is he getting a substantial increase in pp time like some talk about here. this team is completely point into the direction of importing weaknesses, and everyone wants an upgrade on strome. if chytil were an upgrade on strome we wouldnt be looking for a 2c at every turn.

 

[bleedblue94]

He averages 38 seconds of PP TOI last year. whoop-dee-doo

you're going to try to defend 3 powerplay point in 108 minutes of powerplay time over two years? that is irrational...

colin blackwell had 5 in 52 minutes last year

 

[pld459666]

i love this narrative like he got no pp time. he had over 30 minutes of pp time this year and didnt get a single point. last year he had over 78 mins on the pp and got a whopping ONE point on the pp.

so over the last 2 years hes had over 108 minutes of pp time and has ONE POINT but suddenly his production is going to jump when he finally (sarcastic) gets pp time?!?! ha

i believe he can get better but he has other things to improve beyond his offense. even with strome gone eventually you think chytil is on the top pp here? he was on the 2nd pp unit last year and did nothing, and routinely struggled getting in the o zone on the pp while trying to stickhandle through the other team to gain the line.

No, with Strome gone, LaFrenier will get that spot.

What I do believe is that there will be a more equitable approach to the PP meaning that both units will get closer to a minute a game with guys like AP and MZ playing additional time on both.

Again, we agree to disagree on the player. I am not changing your mind, you are not changing my mind. I will let the player do that for both of us. However, based on his short time in this league, I'm comfortable with my position on the matter.

 

[pld459666]

you're going to try to defend ONE powerplay point in 108 minutes of powerplay time over two years? that is irrational...

colin blackwell had 5 in 52 minutes last year

Colin Blackwell is a more mature player and has been playing the NA game for a lot longer than Chytil.

Blackwell was also often times put out there with the top unit benefitting from more talented players.

 

[Off Sides]

Not when it's big deals like we are discussing here

Take Corey Perry for example. He lost 4m in his buyout, and in the 2 years since his buy out he has earned 2.25m

Perry's contract was not all that much front loaded

Anyway, not a hill for me.

 

[bleedblue94]

No, with Strome gone, LaFrenier will get that spot.

What I do believe is that there will be a more equitable approach to the PP meaning that both units will get closer to a minute a game with guys like AP and MZ playing additional time on both.

Again, we agree to disagree on the player. I am not changing your mind, you are not changing my mind. I will let the player do that for both of us. However, based on his short time in this league, I'm comfortable with my position on the matter.

and for a player that has 1ppg and 2ppa over two years you would expect what kind of bump in production? 108 minutes is not a small sample size. it we were talking about 20mins of pp time i could buy it, but this is a substantial amount of time already

 

[NYRangers16]

I’d like to see more from Chytil before giving him a long-term deal. Maybe I’m still spooked by the Skjei deal.

Skjei returned a 1st rd pick anyway. And if you wait to see more, you lose the advantage of a cheaper deal. Seems you miss the point entirely.

 

[bleedblue94]

Colin Blackwell is a more mature player and has been playing the NA game for a lot longer than Chytil.

Blackwell was also often times put out there with the top unit benefitting from more talented players.

he got plugged into the top unit for a few games but come on, there are plenty of examples of players producing more on the pp with less pp time.