Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[rangers1314]

Don Granato says on Buffalo radio he's working on bringing Girardi back to his staff.

Good for G.

 

[Thirty One]

didn’t have too. Up to something ?

I'd guess probably not. I don't know if there are any teams that still need an eligible forward to expose, but the Rangers now have an extra one, so they could move one of the 4 guys. I guess they could trade for a forward that another team would have to expose (and then protect them), but that could make the other team non-compliant if they don't have another signed forward going back.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I dont think we needed to sign Gauthier, we already met all expansion requirements. This seems like a calculated move. Francis is familiar with Gauthier so Seattle would very likely pick him. Maybe Howden will be traded for a dman to protect.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I dont think we needed to sign Gauthier, we already met all expansion requirements. This seems like a calculated move. Francis is familiar with Gauthier so Seattle would very likely pick him. Maybe Howden will be traded for a dman to protect.

Kinda what I was thinking. Wonder if this means Gauthier is likely the pick. But could also just be normal course of business.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Howden gets traded I'm doing a backflip.

 

[bl02]

Landeskog rumored to want 9-10 million a year. Wtf lol
Colorado offered 6 million. I would say that is a huge gap. He’s not worth more than 7 in this cap world right now.

 

[bl02]

If Gauthier is gone and howden is still on this team getting minutes next year...no bueno

 

[Trxjw]

I think signing Gauthier is probably just a normal course of business. Trying to check items off the list before what's likely to be a very crazy couple of weeks.

 

[Calad]

Landeskog rumored to want 9-10 million a year. Wtf lol
Colorado offered 6 million. I would say that is a huge gap. He’s not worth more than 7 in this cap world right now.

He deserves more than Anders Lee and Kreider, who both also took hometown discounts

 

[bl02]

He deserves more than Anders Lee and Kreider, who both also took hometown discounts

7 is more than what kreider got
Also I believe those guys were signed precovid cap.

 

[Gardner McKay]

He deserves more than Anders Lee and Kreider, who both also took hometown discounts

That was also in a different world before we knew there was a flat cap coming for quite a while.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Landeskog rumored to want 9-10 million a year. Wtf lol
Colorado offered 6 million. I would say that is a huge gap. He’s not worth more than 7 in this cap world right now.

Mckinnon getting 15M in 2 years then

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I feel bad for these free agents, because while they should probably get more than they're gonna get (especially if they want to win), I just dont know if its going to happen with a flat cap for probably 3 years

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Landeskog rumored to want 9-10 million a year. Wtf lol
Colorado offered 6 million. I would say that is a huge gap. He’s not worth more than 7 in this cap world right now.

He should be an 8x8 guy.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think we could see players taking shorter deals in hopes that by the next say 3 years the cap goes up with things starting to return to normal

 

[GAGLine]

I think he had to be signed first.

He needed to be signed if he is going to count as one of our 2 forwards who meet the games played and contract requirements. He didn't need to be signed to be exposed, and we already have 3 qualifying players under contract (Rooney, Blackwell and Howden) and only 1 protection slot. It's possible that there is a trade in the works that involves one of Rooney, Blackwell or Howden, so we needed another player under contract so that we can still expose 2 forwards who are under contract and played the requisite number of games.

For example, say we trade Blackwell and protect Rooney. Gauthier and Howden would still meet the requirements, and they would be exposed in addition to guys like Gettinger, Fontaine, etc. who are not under contract, or Brodzinski, who is under contract, but didn't play enough games.

 

[Off Sides]

When a player is given the choice to waive his NTC or lose 1/3 of the pay still owed to him (which happens in a buy out), it should be an easy decision

Depends if the player thinks he can get another contract for more than that 1/3 of whatever was bought out.

The better way, don't sign players that require contracts which have a high probability of being bought out.

And/or don't give them clauses in those "might be bought out" years.

 

[Calad]

That was also in a different world before we knew there was a flat cap coming for quite a while.

Well aware of the pre/post covid situation, I don't think it changes anything for top flight players like Landeskog.

I think he lands around 7 years x 7.5-8m

 

[IDvsEGO]

To be buyout friendly, the deal would need to be backloaded, with limited signing bonuses in the later years.

On a 6 year deal, we could do something like this:

Year 1: 7 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 2: 7 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 3: 5 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 4: 5 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 5: 1 mil signing bonus, 9 mil salary
Year 6: 1 mil signing bonus, 9 mil salary

That's an 8 mil AAV. The signing bonuses are all guaranteed, so he will get 26 mil no matter what happens.

If I calculated it correctly, the buyout cap hits would be 3 mil per year, for 2 or 4 years, depending on whether we buy him out in year 5 or 6. On a total of 48 mil over 6 years, he stands to lose 3 or 6 mil if he is bought out. That's not too bad for either side.

Wouldnt buyout friendly mean more of a frontloaded deal with signing bonuses in the early years? Those extra years simply to lower an overall cap hit. if he makes 9m in one year, you can go down to 4.5 in the next year i believe, which makes a better buyout number.

 

[Thirty One]

Only other thing I could think of is if the Rangers would rather the Kraken take Gauthier than someone else they have exposed, this would make sense. Seattle has to take at least 20 players under contract for next season with a combined cap charge of at least $48.9 million, so there could be a situation where they would rather pick a RFA but couldn't make it work.

But I still do think it's just regular course of business.

 

[Thirty One]

I'd guess probably not. I don't know if there are any teams that still need an eligible forward to expose, but the Rangers now have an extra one, so they could move one of the 4 guys. I guess they could trade for a forward that another team would have to expose (and then protect them), but that could make the other team non-compliant if they don't have another signed forward going back.

I just checked an Boston appears to have 3 forwards to expose who will meet the requirements (Frederic, Lazar, Wagner) so signing Gauthier doesn't appear to be related to the impending Trent Frederic trade.

 

[pld459666]

Chytil's career high is 23 points. I know he missed games, but still.

Without the benefit of significant pp time, he was pacing 40+ points this past season.

Each year in the league he has shown solid progression in his development.

I emhear ya, but this is not a one year wonder (ie Skjei) this is a player tjat has gotten better and better three years running.

We want our players to outperform their contracts, the more you wait, the less likely that becomes as they are going to want then market level contracts.

At his age, I'd go 8 years and 40 as it would provide the NYR with cost certainty and a cheap deal for a 2C that is capable of producing at ES

 

[Calad]

Wouldnt buyout friendly mean more of a frontloaded deal with signing bonuses in the early years? Those extra years simply to lower an overall cap hit. if he makes 9m in one year, you can go down to 4.5 in the next year i believe, which makes a better buyout number.

Buyout friendly, I think, means there is no signing bonus in the last years, as the signing bonus is counted against the cap "in addition" to the salary hit. Signing bonuses are removed from the equation when a buyout is calculated, as the buyouts are "2/3 of remaining salary over 2x the years left" Yes if you backload the contract you will get a better discount on the buyout, but virtually no pending UFA will sign a contract that is that backloaded. This is why when some BIG UFA contracts signed are considered "buyout proof" because the signing bonus is so large in those last years that buying out the contract will provide virtually no relief. Panarin's contract is a prime example of this.

 

[SA16]

I don't really see why the top players should get paid less in a flat cap given the flat cap is flat at the all time high. It's not like there is a rollback. Obviously you can no longer assume the cap will go up making contracts look better but if you were giving out contracts with the expectation that they are bad now and will look better as the cap rises then you were just giving out bad deals in the first place.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Buyout friendly, I think, means there is no signing bonus in the last years, as the signing bonus is counted against the cap "in addition" to the salary hit. Signing bonuses are removed from the equation when a buyout is calculated, as the buyouts are "2/3 of remaining salary over 2x the years left" Yes if you backload the contract you will get a better discount on the buyout, but virtually no pending UFA will sign a contract that is that backloaded. This is why when some BIG UFA contracts signed are considered "buyout proof" because the signing bonus is so large in those last years that buying out the contract will provide virtually no relief. Panarin's contract is a prime example of this.

did you mean front loaded in those later sentences? because backloaded means more of a cap hit when they're bought out.
2/3 of the remaining salary means if its backloaded its 2/3 of that salary.