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EdJovanovski said:
Multiple posters were saying it starts with Laf, they legitimately believe Suzuki is worth Laf++. They are saying a thread should be locked for offering Chytil, Lundkvist & Jones for Suzuki lmao which is an absolute robery for the Habs
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they were making the point that they love suzuki the way we love laf. like franchise identity players and the fact you have to make a lopsided deal to pry that kind of player. it wasnt literal and if there were a couple literal than they can be dismissed just like other crazies...
 
Apparently Kaprizov turned down 8 years $9MM AAV from the Wild saying he'd rather sign a 4 or 5 year deal because he sees himself as a future $10MM+ player. Think that would take him to UFA as well.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Apparently Kaprizov turned down 8 years $9MM AAV from the Wild saying he'd rather sign a 4 or 5 year deal because he sees himself as a future $10MM+ player. Think that would take him to UFA as well.
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it is a smart move by the player bc by the end of that deal the cap should start going up if he is right to bet on himself. the complete opposite of why we want nyr to sign fox to a long term deal now to try to lock him into a lower number later on for the long term
 
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bleedblue94 said:
They were notably being sarcastic. They were just making the point they dont want to trade him, and in all seriousness after watching chytil nearly every game and then watching suzuki through the playoffs I take suzuki 10/10 to win a championship regardless what these charts show...
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No, they really weren't being sarcastic. But it is fine. We don't need Suzuki.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Multiple posters were saying it starts with Laf, they legitimately believe Suzuki is worth Laf++. They are saying a thread should be locked for offering Chytil, Lundkvist & Jones for Suzuki lmao which is an absolute robery for the Habs
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Value wise its more than fair. I can get it, they see themselves as contenders and wouldn't want to make the trade. But from a value perspective, it is actually too much from the Rangers side. Then to counter with Adam Fox + Chytil for Suzuki? GTFO.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
No, they really weren't being sarcastic. But it is fine. We don't need Suzuki.
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This is what I am talking about:
you've missed spell Lafreniere, kakko and K'andre miller I believe. But seriously, Suzuki is untouchable. You dont trade out your proven 1C when they are still in their early 20's...

but seriously implies that the part before it was not serious...
 
bleedblue94 said:
This is what I am talking about:
you've missed spell Lafreniere, kakko and K'andre miller I believe. But seriously, Suzuki is untouchable. You dont trade out your proven 1C when they are still in their early 20's...

but seriously implies that the part before it was not serious...
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That is one post. Did you not see the post asking for Fox + Chytil? Montreal doesn't have a combination of players/picks that would even be fair value for Fox.
 
Kaprizov is probably eyeing a trajectory similar to Panarin so not surprising he didn’t want to lock himself in for 8 years

Sign for 4 years, he’ll be 28 when he becomes a UFA and assuming the play keeps up he’ll be looking at a 10 million + deal
 
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IDvsEGO said:
Edge and a few others have made comments that are basically, some contracts you make knowing you're buying out the end of that deal. This might be one of them. Make it clear to mika that the back end of the contract needs to be buyout friendly. He gets his term and years, but the front of the deal is loaded up, so that its a smaller dead cap w/o signing bonuses so that it can just be bought out.
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To be buyout friendly, the deal would need to be backloaded, with limited signing bonuses in the later years.

On a 6 year deal, we could do something like this:

Year 1: 7 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 2: 7 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 3: 5 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 4: 5 mil signing bonus, 1 mil salary
Year 5: 1 mil signing bonus, 9 mil salary
Year 6: 1 mil signing bonus, 9 mil salary

That's an 8 mil AAV. The signing bonuses are all guaranteed, so he will get 26 mil no matter what happens.

If I calculated it correctly, the buyout cap hits would be 3 mil per year, for 2 or 4 years, depending on whether we buy him out in year 5 or 6. On a total of 48 mil over 6 years, he stands to lose 3 or 6 mil if he is bought out. That's not too bad for either side.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
That is one post. Did you not see the post asking for Fox + Chytil? Montreal doesn't have a combination of players/picks that would even be fair value for Fox.
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you went down the rabbit hole of the crazies after the realistic replies. if someone came here asking for fox would you suggest equal value or would you suggest crazy costs? everyone just spent weeks gushing over him as a bergeron lite during the playoff run, what response did nyr fans expect asking for a player breaking out as a potential 1c? you're about a year late on those proposals if you want realistic counters.
 
bleedblue94 said:
you went down the rabbit hole of the crazies after the realistic replies. if someone came here asking for fox would you suggest equal value or would you suggest crazy costs? everyone just spent weeks gushing over him as a bergeron lite during the playoff run, what response did nyr fans expect asking for a player breaking out as a potential 1c? you're about a year late on those proposals if you want realistic counters.
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I think you're overrating Suzuki as much as they are. He is good.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I think you're overrating Suzuki as much as they are. He is good.
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the kid took those steps you want seen this year, 2nd year in the league and 21 years old

41pts in 56games and then pops 16pts in 22 playoff games playing 19mins a game as a 21 year old who wasnt a defensive liability on a team that struggled to score?

that is an extremely good and valuable player.
 
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I just want to insulate Chytil with a defensive center. Having Strome Chytil behind Mika doesn’t work. They’re two offense first guys Strome isn’t even defense second. It’s just not even something he attempts to do

but if you have Mika Danault/Chytil

or

Mika chytil/gourde

you can play the second and third lines the mins needed depending on the game

we do not need an offense first center. We need a legit two way guy.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
the kid took those steps you want seen this year, 2nd year in the league and 21 years old

41pts in 56games and then pops 16pts in 22 playoff games playing 19mins a game as a 21 year old who wasnt a defensive liability on a team that struggled to score?

that is an extremely good and valuable player.
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I get that he is good. I acknowledged it. But for that price I'd rather go get Eichel and I am not on the Eichel train.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
the kid took those steps you want seen this year, 2nd year in the league and 21 years old

41pts in 56games and then pops 16pts in 22 playoff games playing 19mins a game as a 21 year old who wasnt a defensive liability on a team that struggled to score?

that is an extremely good and valuable player.
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And yet he’s still worse than Chytil in every statistical category including even strength production (Chytil got 0 PP pts this season). He’s also older than Chytil despite them claiming Chytil was older in that thread lol
 
EdJovanovski said:
And yet he’s still worse than Chytil in every statistical category including even strength production (Chytil got 0 PP pts this season). He’s also older than Chytil despite them claiming Chytil was older in that thread lol
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if given the choice i would take suzuki 10/10 over chytil. chytil constantly had softer matchups and offensively the rangers as a team were miles ahead of the habs from a talent perspective.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
Apparently Kaprizov turned down 8 years $9MM AAV from the Wild saying he'd rather sign a 4 or 5 year deal because he sees himself as a future $10MM+ player. Think that would take him to UFA as well.
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Kaprizov can play for CSKA for 3 years, load up on incentives and endorsement deals (He's a celebrity in Moscow) and come back to the NHL in 2024 as a UFA.
 
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bobbop said:
Makar has apparently said the same thing to the Avs.
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Makar's luck is that he played enough games in year 1 for the season to count as an accrued season, so he's eligible for offer sheets, unlike Quinn Hughes who signed at the same time.

I'm sure Makar will sign a new deal, but players are being smart about it. 10-15 years ago, players would just sign for as many years as possible, regardless of the offer.
 
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