Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[NYRFANMANI]

In his latest podcast, Vince said he's talked to people with the organization who believe they can keep Zibanejad even if they acquire Eichel. So whether it's a good idea for them to do so, they obviously are seeing if they can make it work.

Oh nooo ... pls don't Toronto this team.

 

[egelband]

They don't have the cap restraints they had then.

General question…cap should be pretty clean now, right? We don’t have much dead money, do we? Henrik’s big hit was last season, right?

 

[DutchShamrock]

right but if you squeeze him now, which is entirely possible, you pay for it in a year or two when he's had significant production, when you're now also paying kakko, laf, fox and miller. From a long term decision its better to just lock him up longer with a 3-4 year bridge if you're not going to to go the full 8.

Right, at some point this team needs to gamble on their youth and trust that they will become what they are trending towards. But they will do the same thing they have always done. Overpay for the known and paint themselves into a corner later on.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

General question…cap should be pretty clean now, right? We don’t have much dead money, do we? Henrik’s big hit was last season, right?

Shattenkirk Penalty: $1,433,333
Lundqvist penalty: $1,500,000
Girardi penalty: $1,111,111
DeAngelo penalty: $383,334*
Cap cushion: $3,137,500**

That's $7,565,278 total we cannot use this upcoming season. I assume the performance bonuses from last season won't carry over as they should have the cap space for last season to cover those. Fox hit the full $850,000, Miller hit the full $300,000.


*Pending buy out
** rough calculation

 

[pld459666]

It was mostly teams making deals with the new team back then.

Among others:
Florida gave up Marchessault to keep Petrovic and have Vegas pick Smith
Minnesota gave up Tuch to keep Dumba and have Vegas pick Haula
Anaheim gave up Theodore to keep Manson and have Vegas pick Stoner
Columbus gave up a 1st rd pick to keep Atkinson and have Vegas pick Karlsson


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Those were ALL bad decisions

 

[pld459666]

I'd give Chytil 28 over 6 years and lock him down at 4.66 per.

A criminally underrated forward that can generate offense at ES.

 

[haohmaru]

COVID Zib cost him at least a million per year on his next contract.

The Rangers' window opens in two years. Get Zibanejad in that window and you're good. 5 to 6 years is perfect. The Rangers can re-evaluate at the end of Zib's contract when he's 33/34 and see if he can still be a productive piece of the puzzle.

5 years, $40 million gets it done, I think. I'd rather sign Zib to that contract and keep the assets that would be needed to trade for Eichel, and backfill with a two way center behind him than give up assets for Eichel. Use the assets to bring in a Dylan Larkin or Anthony Cirelli instead and keep back filling with young talent on ELC's.

He can get 7 x 8M probably anywhere he wants to. 5 x 8M isn't going to get it done.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Shattenkirk Penalty: $1,433,333
Lundqvist penalty: $1,500,000
Girardi penalty: $1,111,111
DeAngelo penalty: $383,334*
Cap cushion: $3,137,500**

That's $7,565,278 total we cannot use this upcoming season. I assume the performance bonuses from last season won't carry over as they should have the cap space for last season to cover those. Fox hit the full $850,000, Miller hit the full $300,000.


*Pending buy out
** rough calculation

Does the cap bonus cushion go down as bonuses become unobtainable?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Does the cap bonus cushion go down as bonuses become unobtainable?

Here's a list of the max achievable performance bonuses for each player on an ELC.

I'm assuming these will make the team or at least spend a large portion of the season on the team.

Kravtsov: $850,000
Kakko: $2,650,000
Lafrenière: $2,850,000
Fox: $850,000
Miller: $350,000
Lundkvist: $850,0000
Barron: $850,000

Total: $9,250,000

According to CBA article 50.5 (page 281) the bonus cushion cannot exceed more than 7.5% meaning everything above that will count against the cap until those performance bonuses are no longer achievable. 7.5% of the cap is $6,112,500, meaning we have $3,137,500 counting against the cap to start the season as the performance bonus cushion.

To answer your question: Once the performance bonuses are no longer atainable, the bonus cushion decreases.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He can get 7 x 8M probably anywhere he wants to. 5 x 8M isn't going to get it done.

He can, but as I've said before we need to put a premium playing in NY since everyone seems to want to play there. Zib likes it here, his buddies are here, there really is no reason for him to want to leave, put a premium on that and if he dislikes it then tell him to call Zuc, Hayes or Vesey and see how taking all the money worked out for them. Also, what teams are paying him 7x9? Most outside of Vegas likely either can't or wont make room to take that contract on, or are in bad markets, or on bad teams. I really love Zib but we can find someone to replace him at that money, and his health issues already have me concerned let alone in 6 years. If this team is gonna commit to a player with concussion issues then he needs to take a hair cut in the money and term.

 

[egelband]

Shattenkirk Penalty: $1,433,333
Lundqvist penalty: $1,500,000
Girardi penalty: $1,111,111
DeAngelo penalty: $383,334*
Cap cushion: $3,137,500**

That's $7,565,278 total we cannot use this upcoming season. I assume the performance bonuses from last season won't carry over as they should have the cap space for last season to cover those. Fox hit the full $850,000, Miller hit the full $300,000.


*Pending buy out
** rough calculation

Still paying Girardi. What a monumentally bad deal that was. I mean, had we gotten a Cup out of it I can accept that lingering booger of a deal. But no Cup…it’s unacceptable.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers don't have any cap overage issues from last season. Whatever performance bonuses the Rangers players reached were paid in the 20-21 cap.



The NHL CBA allowed teams to spread out the performance bonus overage. The MOU has the information. Page 61. 71 page document.

Performance Bonus overages for 2020-21 season will be calculated per usual practice. However, such calculations will use the Clubs’ cap projections as of the end of the day on March 12, 2020 and will assume all Players that were eligible for Loan were Loaned on March 13, 2020 for determining cap room available for accommodating Performance Bonuses paid. Clubs that are determined to have Performance Bonus overage attributable to the 2020-21 season will have the option to evenly distribute such overage to the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons (i.e. 50% of the calculated overage being distributed to each season). Such option must be exercised by no later than seven (7) days prior to the “RFA/UFA Signing Period Beginning.”

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Rangers don't have any cap overage issues from last season. Whatever performance bonuses the Rangers players reached were paid in the 20-21 cap.



The NHL CBA allowed teams to spread out the performance bonus overage. The MOU has the information. Page 61. 71 page document.

Yeah, no surprise here. They had basically 9m set aside as a bonus cushion so the PBs of Fox and Miller are easily paid with that.

Shestyorkin and Chytil are no longer eligible for PBs, but Lundkvist and Barron join the fray now, resulting in the cap cushion dropping to $3,137,500 for this upcoming season.

 

[Off Sides]

This us what I want to see happen and what smart teams do. The only way to get a deal is to be ahead of the breakout. Gorton was awful at this.

It is risky but that’s why these guys get paid.

There is another avenue, bridge the player to where he has two RFA year left.

Example

A player has 4 RFA years left. (Chytil, he has accrued 3 of the 7 NHL seasons to reach UFA status)

Example 1, Receives a three year bridge, he will have one RFA year left at contracts end. (Buchnevich) Player sees UFA a year away and can get there in a year either by simply signing his qualifier or going through arbitration.

Example 2, Receives a two year bridge, he will have two RFA years left at that contracts end. Player in order to reach UFA either has to take two 1 year deals, or one 2 year deal. Team simply does not offer a 2 year deal. Either make him play out those 2 individual RFA years or entice him to sign something longer term that buys up some UFA years.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

General question…cap should be pretty clean now, right? We don’t have much dead money, do we? Henrik’s big hit was last season, right?

That is correct...right now, they are projected to have about $23M in cap space.

 

[Crease]

I'd give Chytil 28 over 6 years and lock him down at 4.66 per.

A criminally underrated forward that can generate offense at ES.

I’d like to see more from Chytil before giving him a long-term deal. Maybe I’m still spooked by the Skjei deal.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I just find it hilarious that the Rangers, who have big name veterans like Panarin, Zibanejad, Trouba, Kreider, etc. are sitting pretty cap-wise while the Islanders, who only have one true star player (Barzal), are in cap hell.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Rapper Swae Lee mentioned the Rangers on Pop Smoke’s new album. Off topic I know, pretty cool tho.

 

[rangers1314]

Friedman mentions NJD are in on Lenher

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rapper Swae Lee mentioned the Rangers on Pop Smoke’s new album. Off topic I know, pretty cool tho.

Drop a link!

 

[IDvsEGO]

I just find it hilarious that the Rangers, who have big name veterans like Panarin, Zibanejad, Trouba, Kreider, etc. are sitting pretty cap-wise while the Islanders, who only have one true star player (Barzal), are in cap hell.

Let’s wait until the rangers get through this off season first. We can easily end up in a worse scenario.

 

[Vitto79]

So the freeze starts midnight tonight ?
If so NYR could get a LD today but it can wait too

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Rapper Swae Lee mentioned the Rangers on Pop Smoke’s new album. Off topic I know, pretty cool tho.

I skipped that song listening to the album this morning but I guess now I gotta listen lol

 

[I Eat Crow]

He can get 7 x 8M probably anywhere he wants to. 5 x 8M isn't going to get it done.

Avatar bet? If he signs both for more than 5 years AND over 8 million, I change my avatar to anything you want for a month. You do the same, but for only two weeks if he signs for either 5 years or less OR 8 million or less. Deal?

 

[NYR Viper]

I would like to see a 1 year deal for Chytil honestly, ESPECIALLY if the thought is to get him more minutes. If he comes out and plays well while piling up ~50 points, I sign him long term next off-season.