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Term is going to be the killer in my book. 5 years is ideal. 6, if they must and hes willing to take $8MM or less. Over 6 should be off limits.
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Barnaby
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If he’s healthy and productive then he’s not taking less than 8 and he may not take less than 9. The question is do you let him walk over that 6th or 7th year? Ideally I’d love 4 or 5 but that’s unlikely assuming he has a big year.
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I hear you. To me, even if he falls off a cliff in those last two years I’d just worry about it then. Cap won’t be flat forever.
LiveLongandProspal
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Who you calling lame? When was the last time Kreider had any sort of slap or wrist shot?
We already saw this in RNH. The term went long but the aav was far lower than anyone expected.
McRanger92
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Why do people think Chytil is getting significant money this offseason? I think its not out of the realm of possibility that the team has him play on the QO this year. He has no arb rights and they did it to DeAngelo (and Lemiuex) coming off a good season 2 years ago.
It depends on if we're going to try and lock him up and get any UFA years.
Chytil's production at 5 on 5 show that if he can absolutely produce and locking him up now would be better before he breaks out for a 50-60 point season.
McRanger92
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I agree, I am a Chytil fan too but if the Rangers make major moves and spend to the cap, its easy to envision him getting squeezed for a year.
right but if you squeeze him now, which is entirely possible, you pay for it in a year or two when he's had significant production, when you're now also paying kakko, laf, fox and miller. From a long term decision its better to just lock him up longer with a 3-4 year bridge if you're not going to to go the full 8.
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This us what I want to see happen and what smart teams do. The only way to get a deal is to be ahead of the breakout. Gorton was awful at this.
It is risky but that’s why these guys get paid.
They don't have the cap restraints they had then.
NYRangers16
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Agreed, better to do it now. I’ve always said we need value deals. Look at the Buch bridge, and now we are talking about paying him 6m+ a year. Gotta lock guys up early, you roll the dice. Even Gourde, despite TB’s cap issues was locked up early. You bet on your player evaluations. Bridge deals make no sense if you want to build a long term winner.
JimmyG89
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If we're keeping Chytil, I'd love to give him the Lindgren contract, 3×3.
Locked in at a good price and on top of that can outperform that deal with added ice time. If they don't keep Strome, Chytil as a 2C with Panarin could explode in value.
Locked in at a good price and on top of that can outperform that deal with added ice time. If they don't keep Strome, Chytil as a 2C with Panarin could explode in value.
If Mika gets 8 years, he’ll do so at a bit of a discount, full well knowing years 6, 7 and 8 will have a M-NTC in his contract.
If we can sign him for 5 years, there will likely be a full NMC and a higher cap hit.
Pick your poison.
At the end of the day I’d rather have Mika + the assets it’ll cost to acquire Eichel, than Eichel + the assets we paid for him.
We probably would trade Mika if we acquire Jack, but we won’t get full value considering he has a NMC.
And moving Mika while adding Eichel still leaves is in a very similar situation. We’re still a bunch of p***ycats up the middle.
If we can sign him for 5 years, there will likely be a full NMC and a higher cap hit.
Pick your poison.
At the end of the day I’d rather have Mika + the assets it’ll cost to acquire Eichel, than Eichel + the assets we paid for him.
We probably would trade Mika if we acquire Jack, but we won’t get full value considering he has a NMC.
And moving Mika while adding Eichel still leaves is in a very similar situation. We’re still a bunch of p***ycats up the middle.
I think if you add any NMC you add it at the front end of the deal. and you make it so you can buyout the contract in years 7/8 if needed. Let him gets his money up front and use the back end of the deal to drop the total cap hit.
Tob
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Can this team even make the playoffs next year if Eichel is out for the 1st half of the season and we're without 2-3 of Chytil/Strome/Kravtsov/Miller? Judging by the way Dru was talking even on the day Gorton was fired and he was sitting beside Colonel Sanders, he said on 2 occasions something like "We're going to stay on course with what we've built" and despite the obvious pressure to win now, he's still maintained the ability to say "it's not a mandate" to make the playoffs. Dru can keep his cool and I really don't think he'll bite on Buffalo's high ask.
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Tob
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Mika gave up money on his last contract with us. He was on pace for about 55P but broke his fibula. He put up 9P in 12G in the playoffs when he came back.
We all saw his potential that year. I remember seeing people upset at the term — and rightfully so. But, he didn’t have the track record to really pay him more for those additional 3 years.
Big mistake. Imagine having Mika signed for 4 more years at a 7m cap hit instead of 5.35.
It’s tough being a GM. You don’t know how players will age. Playing it safe and bridging players will save you short term but could cost you a lot more longterm. That’s a huge reason why I want Foxy locked up now, longterm.
The one advantage we have as an organization, is destination. Richards took less to play here. So did Panarin. So have countless other athletes in professional sports.
Drury needs to use that as leverage instead of worrying about the overrated pizzas that are being served at Colony Grill, which is about 4min from my home and completely overrated shit.
We all saw his potential that year. I remember seeing people upset at the term — and rightfully so. But, he didn’t have the track record to really pay him more for those additional 3 years.
Big mistake. Imagine having Mika signed for 4 more years at a 7m cap hit instead of 5.35.
It’s tough being a GM. You don’t know how players will age. Playing it safe and bridging players will save you short term but could cost you a lot more longterm. That’s a huge reason why I want Foxy locked up now, longterm.
The one advantage we have as an organization, is destination. Richards took less to play here. So did Panarin. So have countless other athletes in professional sports.
Drury needs to use that as leverage instead of worrying about the overrated pizzas that are being served at Colony Grill, which is about 4min from my home and completely overrated shit.
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In his latest podcast, Vince said he's talked to people with the organization who believe they can keep Zibanejad even if they acquire Eichel. So whether it's a good idea for them to do so, they obviously are seeing if they can make it work.
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Bellemare is someone who would be very interesting to bring in given his history with Gallant and proficiency as a PKer/face off guy.
He won't cost much but would help either as a Rooney replacement or him and Rooney together can make 2/3s of a PITA fourth line. It's a shame Cullye is too young because adding him would be a very obnoxious trio to play against.
Adding Bellemare plus one of the gritty UFAs like a Coleman/Goodrow/Cizikas/etc., trade Buch for youth or I'd even work on a trade with Buch and Copp as the main pieces, and get a veteran LHD either as a UFA or pre-expansion and that team is looking pretty good on paper.
He won't cost much but would help either as a Rooney replacement or him and Rooney together can make 2/3s of a PITA fourth line. It's a shame Cullye is too young because adding him would be a very obnoxious trio to play against.
Adding Bellemare plus one of the gritty UFAs like a Coleman/Goodrow/Cizikas/etc., trade Buch for youth or I'd even work on a trade with Buch and Copp as the main pieces, and get a veteran LHD either as a UFA or pre-expansion and that team is looking pretty good on paper.
smoneil
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The issue with DeAngelo was literally that the team didn't have anything more to spare. They almost certainly would have given him more if they'd had the cap room.
smoneil
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I'd try to get him locked up for a 5 or (ideally) 6 year deal. The latter would buy out two UFA years. He would be due for his next contract when either Panarin (5 year) or Kreider (6 year) are coming off the books.
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It was mostly teams making deals with the new team back then.
Among others:
Florida gave up Marchessault to keep Petrovic and have Vegas pick Smith
Minnesota gave up Tuch to keep Dumba and have Vegas pick Haula
Anaheim gave up Theodore to keep Manson and have Vegas pick Stoner
Columbus gave up a 1st rd pick to keep Atkinson and have Vegas pick Karlsson
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