Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[Machinehead]

He's enticing as a 3C, as a 2C you'd be setting yourself up for disapointment.

Danault is closer to a 1C than a 3C

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I just sat down and thought about something a good friend said recently about Tampas $$ situation and their history with NYR. Maybe Tyler Johnsson (~$1 M retained) and their 2021 3rd for and another pick for Colin Blackwell and eventually a small added cost controlled piece to Floridas inner coast? Would we do that stopgap idea (presuming then Strome is dealt elsewhere for other assets)? It would lead to dominoes - thats 4 sure. I dunno

I want nothing to do with Tyler Johnsons contract. Def the wrong player to target there.

 

[Thirty One]

I just sat down and thought about something a good friend said recently about Tampas $$ situation and their history with NYR. Maybe Tyler Johnsson (~$1 M retained) and their 2021 3rd for and another pick for Colin Blackwell and eventually a small added cost controlled piece to Floridas inner coast? Would we do that stopgap idea (presuming then Strome is dealt elsewhere for other assets)? It would lead to dominoes - thats 4 sure. I dunno

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Danault is closer to a 1C than a 3C

This playoffs his production was closer to a 4C than what any of those guys he's allegedly comparable to did.

 

[AirGut]

Danault is closer to a 1C than a 3C

So a 2C

 

[BBKers]

Miss Al...

 

[Machinehead]

So a 2C

Yes.

This playoffs his production was closer to a 4C than what any of those guys he's allegedly comparable to did.

Who cares?

It's a 22 game sample. Zibanejad was the worst player in the league for longer than that this year.

 

[Machinehead]

This is even better without sound.

 

[NYR Viper]

Danault is closer to a 1C than a 3C

He's literally the perfect player as a 3rd member of a trio of Zibanejad, Chytil, Danault as Danault doesn't need PP time to play well and effect a game positively. His p/60 is really good 5v5 and it would allow Chytil and Zibanejad the primary PP time which they should get. In saying that, I fear the term there. If Zibanejad was locked in at $7m long term I may be more open to it but he is more than likely looking at $8m+ and then Danault is looking for $6m+. Just too much tied up in those two guys.

 

[Machinehead]

He's literally the perfect player as a 3rd member of a trio of Zibanejad, Chytil, Danault as Danault doesn't need PP time to play well and effect a game positively. His p/60 is really good 5v5 and it would allow Chytil and Zibanejad the primary PP time which they should get. In saying that, I fear the term there. If Zibanejad was locked in at $7m long term I may be more open to it but he is more than likely looking at $8m+ and then Danault is looking for $6m+. Just too much tied up in those two guys.

I mean, the argument about term is perfectly fair.

On the other hand, saying "Danault is a 3C" is like like saying "trees can fly."

 

[bleedblue94]

You are being way too critical. You are comparing his 3 to the best number at this level of ice time which was Spezza at 12 who is over 15 years older. Also, Chytil is 21 years old. You are just being hypercritical for no reason on a kid who is still developing and is already turning into a very good player.

that's not true, this actually all started bc I questioned posts that said suzuki wasnt that much better than chytil, or that chytil was actually better than suzuki. since then it has morphed from THAT to this apparent belief that I hate chytil bc I am not willing to just go along with the narrative that he is going to be a "beast of a 2c" bc of what his current production paces at and that he is magically going to see an increase in pp production even though no one can say where he is getting the additional pp minutes within this lineup. please dont pluck certain comments of mine without understand the context of what they were responding to

 

[bleedblue94]

They have a few minor deals lined up. Or so I heard. If they like the \finalized return, then yeah. Then there will be some movement

kinda wait till the 23rd hour to see if anything bigger comes up

 

[Ola]

I just sat down and thought about something a good friend said recently about Tampas $$ situation and their history with NYR. Maybe Tyler Johnsson (~$1 M retained) and their 2021 3rd for and another pick for Colin Blackwell and eventually a small added cost controlled piece to Floridas inner coast? Would we do that stopgap idea (presuming then Strome is dealt elsewhere for other assets)? It would lead to dominoes - thats 4 sure. I dunno

I would, TyJo is exactly the type of center someone like Kakko needs. That speed treat down center ice gives us another dimension.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yes there are also players who score more points than Artemi Panarin with the same amount of ice time. Doesn't mean he's not an effective player because he is not the absolute best.

and see this goes to what i just said to someone else. i am not crapping on fc like he is a bad player. all of my responses originated by responding to posters stating he better than suzuki or that suzuki was only slightly better bc of various numbers and that fc will automatically become a beast 2c with more numbers. I am not crapping on him, i am being tempered with expectations and also continue to question where he is getting this increased role and pp time within this lineup. for now he has plenty to improve upon within his current role on this team before he is going to get an expanded role on a team targeting the playoffs. that is really all i am saying...

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Danault would be like the Rangers version of Pageau. Unlike Pageau tho he ain’t signing for 5M and 6M is too high for the lack of offense

 

[Ola]

Fourth line of Reeves - Fredric - Virtanen...LFG

This is a start, but it doesn’t really put us up there with NYI and Washington whom we at least must match physically . Martin/Lee/Johnston or Wilson/Chara/Dillon (if the later two are retained).

 

[Ola]

I don't Virtanen is going to be playing anywhere any time soon...

Why??

 

[NYSPORTS]

Hajek still not signing is interesting. He might get dealt before 3 PM EST tomorrow methinks. Small potatoes, but still

would be great if the Rangers release him and Tampa picks him up . . . then flips him in a package for something better lol.

 

[NYR Viper]

Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	G/60"	A/60"	A1/60"	A2/60"	PTS/60"	S/60"	oiGF/60	oiGA/60	Shots + Blocks + Misses per 60 minutes"	Shots + Blocks + Misses per 60 minutes"	(CF - CA) * 60 / TOI"	Shots + Misses per 60 minutes"	Shots + Misses per 60 minutes"	(FF - FA) * 60 / TOI"
2016-17	26	TBL	NHL	66	0.9	1.3	0.6	0.7	2.2	6.3	3.5	2.8	57.0	52.6	4.4	43.3	41.2	2.1
2017-18	27	TBL	NHL	81	0.9	1.3	0.6	0.7	2.2	8.1	3.2	2.7	60.2	57.5	2.7	46.3	43.5	2.8
2018-19	28	TBL	NHL	80	1.4	0.8	0.4	0.4	2.2	7.7	4.2	2.8	62.5	57.4	5.0	48.5	44.4	4.1
2019-20	29	TBL	NHL	65	0.9	1.1	0.6	0.4	2.0	7.2	3.5	1.9	59.3	49.5	9.8	45.6	38.0	7.6
2020-21	30	TBL	NHL	55	0.6	1.1	0.8	0.3	1.8	6.1	2.6	2.2	51.9	41.6	10.3	39.8	31.8	8.

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If you look at Tyler Johnson's numbers overall they look worse than they actually are. The guy has had his minutes cut substantially and his PP time cut to almost nothing. p/60 and a/60 aren't that bad

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2016-17	26	TBL	NHL	66	19	26	45	-5	28	13	6	0	3	15	11	0	130	14.6	250	1242	18:49	583	539	52.0	30	46	26	32
2017-18	27	TBL	NHL	81	21	29	50	3	24	15	4	2	3	20	9	0	186	11.3	311	1376	17:00	360	359	50.1	47	48	39	23
2018-19	28	TBL	NHL	80	29	18	47	15	28	27	1	1	4	11	7	0	163	17.8	268	1276	15:57	230	243	48.6	32	50	13	32
2019-20	29	TBL	NHL	65	14	17	31	9	16	13	1	0	2	11	6	0	113	12.4	190	945	14:33	173	180	49.0	22	62	14	20
2020-21	30	TBL	NHL	55	8	14	22	-1	16	6	2	0	1	13	1	0	77	10.4	123	752	13:40	170	140	54.8	15	63	4	7

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[bleedblue94]

Danault would be like the Rangers version of Pageau. Unlike Pageau tho he ain’t signing for 5M and 6M is too high for the lack of offense

danault would probably benefit tremendously from the offensive talent on this team and that could really help carry him into being a useful player here beyond his defense. we criticize his offensive numbers on a terrible offensive team. numbers need context. it's too bad his ask is so looking like it is so large

 

[haveandare]

I can’t trust any measurement that suggests Danaults offensive contributions are similar to Barzal and Aho’s - there’s got to be some noise or other factors in those numbers. I don’t want to lean on “watch the games” but seriously - it’s stark when watching. He doesn’t drive offense like them at all.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why??

Canucks put Jake Virtanen on leave following sexual misconduct allegation

 

[smoneil]

I'd give Chytil 28 over 6 years and lock him down at 4.66 per.

A criminally underrated forward that can generate offense at ES.

Agreed. Plus, he's be up for a new contract at 27 years old, which would make it less stressful re: re-signing him (compared to Zib, who would be turning 30 in the first year of a potential extension).

 

[Ola]

Canucks put Jake Virtanen on leave following sexual misconduct allegation

And? An investigation has been carried out and by all likelihood it will show what they always do, word against word and given that it’s several years old technical evidence will not be enough for a conviction or a successful civil suit.

As for the moral implications, one unproven allegation cannot be career ending. It’s unfortunate that these things are so uncertain, but it cannot be career ending, that isn’t good for anyone.

 

[NYR Viper]