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bleedblue94 said:
the counter though is why are players signing those deals right now knowing that they may be taking really low money later one when the cap starts rising again? i'm not arguing at all, i am just questioning it from the player side, what is really their incentive right now to sign those deals?
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This is another issue, flat cap, I expect most players to go a shorter contract route than do what RNH did but I wouldn't be surpised either way I guess.. Its an interesting time in the NHL
 
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"Where I believe Jack Eichel will succeed is a place where he doesn't have to be 'the guy'...to carry the entire load of a team."

I actually think this is true even though for 10M you SHOULD be able to and should be required to, but he wouldn't have to do that here with Panarin et al.. He would have to do that in ANA, LAK (at least for a while), in Minn he would have Kaprizov
 
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LaffyTaffyNYR said:
This is another issue, flat cap, I expect most players to go a shorter contract route than do what RNH did but I wouldn't be surpised either way I guess.. Its an interesting time in the NHL
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this is part of why a part of me would like to see players start signing for "percentage of cap" and not for dollar amounts. that way the player salary goes up relative to the cap and a lot of the guess work and projections goes out of it. i know it cant happen for a variety of reasons, but it would make more sense from the year to year opts standpoint
 
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"Where I believe Jack Eichel will succeed is a place where he doesn't have to be 'the guy'...to carry the entire load of a team."

I actually think this is true even though for 10M you SHOULD be able to and should be required to, but he wouldn't have to do that here with Panarin et al.. He would have to do that in ANA, LAK (at least for a while), in Minn he would have Kaprizov
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If thats his mentality though, do you really want him?

And LA has Doughty and Kopitar as "the guys."
 
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Nobody wanted a change in management more than me but we are closing in on having to decide if we are led by Chris Drury the puppet or Chris Drury the JG disciple. We can never have nice things.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
so you expect him to at least become a "beast" of a 2nd line center?

12 mins a game of soft matchups with while playing with offensive talent that most 3rd line centers dont get.

What's your production projection for him?
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His first full season, he put up 23 points in 75 games.
His sophomore season, he put up 23 points in 60 games.
Last season, he put up 22 points in 42 games.

It shows progression. That progression is more impressive when you consider that Quinn all but pulled him off the PP this year, and played him primarily with either young players or 4th liners (meaning that the scant minutes he DID get, were often in the form of a couple scattered shifts per period--hard to get in any kind of groove when your line is used just to give the top two lines a breather).

And it isn't just the points. Over those three seasons, Chytil's +/- went from -22 to -7 to +9, and his face off percentage improved from ~38.5% to almost 43% (and again, this is without getting the kinds of reps/experience that a young C would usually get. Chytil only took ~300 face offs this season. Top centers took 600-1100 face offs. Had Chytil been left to develop in the AHL, getting those reps, his fo% would likely be higher, as this is a stat that historically improves with age/experience).

Had we moved Strome last season, I think that Chytil would have broken out this year (with minutes, some veteran linemates, and a regular shift on the PP, I think he would have been on a 50+ point pace). If he gets those things this year, I'd project him near the Stepan line of 55-60 points this season, with still more room to grow.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
that's not true, this actually all started bc I questioned posts that said suzuki wasnt that much better than chytil, or that chytil was actually better than suzuki. since then it has morphed from THAT to this apparent belief that I hate chytil bc I am not willing to just go along with the narrative that he is going to be a "beast of a 2c" bc of what his current production paces at and that he is magically going to see an increase in pp production even though no one can say where he is getting the additional pp minutes within this lineup. please dont pluck certain comments of mine without understand the context of what they were responding to
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I did see some of the Suzuki stuff but didn’t realise this was a continuation of that. Suzuki is better, no doubt. But Chytil is 21 and underrated I think by our fans. He absolutely can grow into a quality #2 C if given quality icetime. Quinn def. utilized Strome a lot more, and I hope Gallant changes this. This includes on the PP if he balances out the usage.

I could see a Panarin, Zibby Kreider, Buch or Laf PP1 with Chytil, Strome, KK, VK, Miller/Trouba PP2. If they split the minutes more evenly Chytil can def get some quality PP time.

Also, if Strome and/or Buch are traded, Chytil’s minutes will def go up.
 
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Nobody wanted a change in management more than me but we are closing in on having to decide if we are led by Chris Drury the puppet or Chris Drury the JG disciple. We can never have nice things.
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We're closing in...what? Free agency hasn't even started yet. Neither the expansion draft nor the entry draft has happened yet. There haven't been that many trades that have gone down yet.
 
Whatever we think of Chytil the Rangers have to make a decision, he's really not the "3C" you want, thats more someone like a Barron (if he grows into a player), someone who can play big, has some size, etc. I feel like the Rangers need to make a decision with Chytil (2C or trade), unless they think he could replace someone like Buch or Kravtsov who go in a trade by moving to the wing
 
bleedblue94 said:
so you expect him to at least become a "beast" of a 2nd line center?

12 mins a game of soft matchups with while playing with offensive talent that most 3rd line centers dont get.

What's your production projection for him?
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At his peak, I think his floor will be a great second line player. He needs to work on defensive awareness and puck retrieval (which will improve as he gets stronger). I think he has the potential to be a premier player in this league. Don't know if he is going to stick at center or the wing.

What is a first line center? Ryan Strome? Our current first line center is Ryan Strome. I know he will be better than him.

Your last question is what production do I project? I can see him developing into a point/game player. He will be a 60 point player next year at 21 years old.
 
LaffyTaffyNYR said:
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"Where I believe Jack Eichel will succeed is a place where he doesn't have to be 'the guy'...to carry the entire load of a team."

I actually think this is true even though for 10M you SHOULD be able to and should be required to, but he wouldn't have to do that here with Panarin et al.. He would have to do that in ANA, LAK (at least for a while), in Minn he would have Kaprizov
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Makes sense. How can you be an alpha dog if you’ve never led a team to success? Buffalo has surrounded him with a shit roster, and it’s ruined any leadership qualities he might have had, had he been brought along in a winning environment.

Still don’t want him unless it’s a bargain basement deal, but it’s totally understandable that he’s not really “leadership material” at this point.
 
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see that’s what the Rangers need to hit on. Don’t screw up the evaluation and if you project a player to be good long term at a reasonable or below future dollar rate, get it done. You can’t wait until they price themselves out of your cap comfort and hope to trade them at a deadline imo.
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precisely. you get it done early so you have that undermarket cap hit later, which allows you to either keep more players or sign some if needed.
 
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In the 1993 expansion draft, after Glenn Healy was claimed by Tampa Bay after getting claimed by Anaheim, the Rangers got him from Tampa for a 3rd round pick. Could the Rangers do this again? Is Glenn Healy coming back?
 
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bleedblue94 said:
I'm not trying to hammer you but please help me understand how chytil is getting significant pp time here with the other/better offensive talent we have here, the type of pp time that would justify these production bumps that people suggest when they reference that he doesnt get any pp time now when talking about his numbers?

also please help me understand how he has not had softer matchups up till this point when we have two top 20 league wide players playing of different lines that cause defensive matchup issues for other teams?

we can each have an opinion on what he will evolve into as his career progresses, but those two points stand from recent history...
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I think he can get regular powerplay time. With this team, he's just not going to be on the first unit, but if Gallant deploys a more balanced approach re: the second unit, then he would/should definitely be part of that group. That just makes good sense to me. Our top unit regularly played the full 2 minutes and regularly failed to score in that second minute. We have the depth. It's foolish not to use it (particularly because that throws the lines out of whack when the guys from the top unit are exhausted from a full powerplay--put the first unit out for 1:20, get the 2nd unit out for the last :40, and if you didn't score on that PP, you can then follow pp2 with your first line against a tired defense).

And yeah, Chytil didn't see as much of the opposing team's top 4 D as he would have otherwise, but how is that any different from Laf or Kakko or Kravtsov, who are all near the same age and put up similar (or lesser) production against that same opposition? Playing as an 18-19-20 year old against NHL defensemen (even bottom pair NHL defensemen) is still a bigger challenge than doing the same thing at the same ages against kids in juniors or against AHL quality D.
 
bleedblue94 said:
he was actually pacing for 40pts over an 82 game season, not 45, and that changes nothing regarding the matchups he had. to this point he looks like he can be a very good 3c on a contender but even then he will struggle in that role unless he can improve his faceoffs...
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It was 43 points per 82 that he was pacing for, actually (well, 42.9 points).
 
Forwards that should be moved before Chytil are as follows (In exact order):
Howden - Horrible hockey player
Kreider - Contract is awful (Aware of the NMC)
Buchnevich - One year left (Can't afford him - with the influx of young blood)
Zibanejad - See comment above
Strome - Not worth $6.5 mill (trade before regret)


The only forwards that are more valuable are Kakko and Lafraniere. If Chytil signs a 5 year deal at 4mill - he will be more valuable than Panarin @ $12mill.
 
Quinnisinoverhishead said:
Forwards that should be moved before Chytil are as follows (In exact order):
Howden - Horrible hockey player
Kreider - Contract is awful (Aware of the NMC)
Buchnevich - One year left (Can't afford him - with the influx of young blood)
Zibanejad - See comment above
Strome - Not worth $6.5 mill (trade before regret)


The only forwards that are more valuable are Kakko and Lafraniere. If Chytil signs a 5 year deal at 4mill - he will be more valuable than Panarin @ $12mill.
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I mean I agree with alot of them, but Zibanejad is not one of them. What "influx" is coming to replace him?.. It doesn't exist on the Rangers anywhere right now
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Not when it's big deals like we are discussing here

Take Corey Perry for example. He lost 4m in his buyout, and in the 2 years since his buy out he has earned 2.25m
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Did he not get performance bonuses in Dallas? (Have not checked if he met the requirements)
 
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smoneil said:
It was 43 points per 82 that he was pacing for, actually (well, 42.9 points).
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Pace doesnt mean shit. Come on guys, its not facts. Its a belief that he would put up that amount of point more or less.

Just talking about this pace crap is annoying. Its not what a player actually put up so lets stop with the nonsense please.
 
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